Is that road kill or was that gopher hit by a .338 round in front of 150 grains of RL25?

Another thread on Long range Chucks

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/showthread.php?t...highlight=2370+yards

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Originally posted by jwp475:
I am sure that you have lots of experience in this area and are well qualified to call BS.....

And it is guys like you that provide more than ample experience.

I believe that Hathcock and the Canadian sniper were using 50 cal rifles, not 338's. And they were shooting at something larger than a woodchuck.

RIP - is it plausible? Sure it is. With a lot of luck. But lucky shots are not a good indication of long range marksmanship.

And it was a stupid baby woodchuck sitting on a highly visible white rock pile.

Does that make it a rockchuck instead of a woodchuck, or just a groundhog pup?

The pup sat there all day while they plinked at it and finally lucked into it by spotting the hits all around it. So it goes according to the narrative supplied.

Despite the dubious validity of arc-lobbing metal over the horizon, is there any particular reason that deadly maneating Woodchucks are targeted? Can't remember the last time I was attacked by a Woodchuck. Must taste like chicken.

Wouldn't a life sized metal Osama target make more sense. You'd get a nice clang if you ever hit him!

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Does that make it a rockchuck instead of a woodchuck, or just a groundhog pup?

After taking a hit from a 338, "ground chuck" is probably more appropriate.

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Originally posted by Jim Manion:

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Originally posted by jwp475:
I am sure that you have lots of experience in this area and are well qualified to call BS.....

And it is guys like you that provide more than ample experience.
I believe that Hathcock and the Canadian sniper were using 50 cal rifles, not 338's. And they were shooting at something larger than a woodchuck.

RIP - is it plausible? Sure it is. With a lot of luck. But lucky shots are not a good indication of long range marksmanship.

The 50 BMG is a successfull long range round because of the very high B C bullets available for it. The 338 bores are catching up in that department... Wildcat bullets are making some Aluminum tipped bullets that are close to .9 BC not quite up to the 50 BMGs 1.0


The picture below shows a 311 grain Wilcat Aluminum tipped bullet next to a 300 SMK Siera list the 300 SMK BC at .768





The 375 bore will soon be making inroads in the long range game as Sierra is making a 350 grain SMK for the 408 Chey Tec Case .The 338 bores are doing some great long range work sevral have taken Elk with them past 2000 Yards...That I am sure will upset the masses

I hereby invoke the nom de jour "Chuck Killer" for the shooter. In celebration I propose establishing a fund whereby Chuck Killer will be afforded the opportunity to sharpen his marksmanship skills in Africa. His mission will be short range sniping of the harmless male Mbogo with a flintlock Danderbusse which I will happily supply gratis! I vote we start a new thread and henceforth evacuate this civilized area of the boards! All those in favor say "Aye" and sign below for a donor card.

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If I recall correctly, GC Custom made a very high BC 338 bullet - but it requires a 1:7 barrel.

No doubt that the 338 can be set up for long range. One of the wildcats, the 338 Yogi, has performed very well in mile shoots.

With that said, it is a little misleading to note that someone dropped a woodchuck at 2300 yards - makes one think it was a one shot deal when it took many shots. That method is acceptable practice for artillery, but not for a rifle marksman, IMHO. Heck, if that is the standard, the US Army's test in 1879 with the 45-70 would put that caliber into the running http://www.researchpress.co.uk/targets/sandyhook.htm.

Hey Guys,I started this thread to maybe sell my .600 OverKill elephant gun~!!! It will surely drop one at well over a 300feet(100yds..1/17th of a mile!!)...I could rename it if it helps make the sale to something like...The Paris Gun or Super Duper Elephant Scuuper! ......

OK,If I want a 408 Chevy,what is a suitable action(repeater) for one and mininum barrel elngth that I can take it with me in the field?

Well guys, Skip Talbot, afew other FCSA competative shooters and I used to shoot at a big ol Rock out in the Nevada desert at 2500 yrds with our pitifull .50BMg target guns. I'll be shooting in Reno in August so come and watch. That ol Rock sure managed ok. We eventually figured out the drop and wind drift. That Woodchuck was totally safe from the likes of us. My gun shoots 4.5 inches fromtime to time at 1000 yrds. I've got the awards to prove it too. Its averaged 10 inche groups in 15 matches. True MOA guns are rare. True .5MOA guns usually weigh 100lbs or more! Woodchucks are safe 50% of the time!Ok assuming I absolutely know the distance, i might be able to hit a woodchuck 50 % of the time at 1000yrds. Skip was way better at reading the wind. He once shot a 2.75 incher. I doubt any of us could hit a called woodchuck at even 1000 yrds more than 1 out of two shots. Remember, even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
So go calculate the drop and winddrift of a .338 anything,any twist bullet at 1000 yrds. Sorry it aint a .50 BMG!Do it into a miniscule 10mph wind.at 2500yrds. Wow 10 feet or more drift! Damn that chuck is a easy kill! Why heck the wind over 2500 yrds sure is constant isn't it.Bc less than 1.0 well maybe 15 ft. Wow even easier! Heck my scope won't even cover that amount of adjustment. its a Nightforce too. Well no problem Kentucky windage is possible for all those super duper shots out there. How come all these guys don't kickour butts in the 1000yrd matches? Never see em. I guess they are just too good.
CZ550 based gun,my guess is 3 MOA at best! Don't know where RIPO gets 1/2 MOA but I'm calling BS. RIP you SHOW me a CZ550 anything that shoots 1MOA at 1000yrds and I'll buy you a good steak dinner and drinks anytime. .408 Chey Tac show me the groups. Every time I ask to see them all I get is Do-Do. But then what do I know. I've tried damn near everything and while the .338 is a great cartridge it doesn't do what a .50 BMG does no where near!
AS for the .600OK somebody buy it, its a steal!-Rob

Safarikid,

Before you jump at a chevytac, you might want to check out a 40BAS made by Bill Shehane http://www.scopeusout.com/ (he is also a Nightforce dealer). Don't know if he makes a repeater version, but you can get a single shot with a right bolt/left port to speed up the reloading. Much better numbers and performance over the chevy. He's a benchrest guy, so cut him some slack!

Perhaps also the 416 Barrett - I understand they are making a repeater soon. My only question with the Barrett would be barrel life.

safari kid...

imho only do a cheytac if you do a switch barrel of a 338/505 gibbs/cheytac

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Originally posted by jwp475:
Carlos Hathcock (Marine Corp, Sniper) in Vietnam had a confirmed kill at 2500 on a V.C. The longest kill in The War On Terror is 2700 hundred by a Canadian Sniper

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A world-record killing shot by a Canadian sniper detachment in Afghanistan could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview.
The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres.

But the U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.

The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres, or nearly 2 1/2 kilometres, on the second shot.

This feat is the equivalent of standing at the foot of Yonge St. and hitting a target in the intersection of Yonge and Wellesley Sts., just north of College St.

The first shot blew a bag from the hand of their target, an Al Qaeda fighter walking on a road.

"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke on condition that his real name not be used.

"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

I'll that said, I gotta go with RGB entirely on this one. A woodchuck at 2370 yds is either an exercise in persistence (trial and error) or luck.

That ain't my bag, baby. (a la Austin Powers)

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
To be perfectly honest, despite 25 years of shooting 1000yrd matches where I absolutely know the range and have learned to judge the wind and mirage, it would close to pure luck for me to hit a dear sized animal at 1000yrds in the field with one shot if I didn't have the benefit of a prepared range. I've never seen anyone else do it either. Just look up how much drop and wind drift even a .50BMG has at that range.Yes its fun, but its also like golf where you only remember the great shots. You forget all the rest of them. -Rob

A very quotable quote...thanks Rob.

Cheers,
Canuck