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lol! another ruger slam thread and a swipe at the 45 chapstick...grains...you are outdoing yourself 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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If you like the Marlin 45-70 then how is comparing the Ruger 375 to it a slam?? Both are affordable... | |||
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Your obvious attempts to discredit the 375 Ruger are duly noted. Your motives or rational is still in question. What isn't in question is that certain high end gun makers will indeed make the rifle. Who buys it and for what reasons they buy it matters little to me. Why does it matter SO much to you?? KC | |||
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What I observe is that the 375 Ruger crowd seems to be just as touchy about their caliber as the 45-70 crowd. Not sure why... | |||
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Almost as touchy as the reactionary 375 H&H crowd...  | |||
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No Dan. It is not 134 years old, as is the 45-70 Gov't. Keith IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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No, it's new and it actually betters the H&H in the ballistic dept. Not enough to tell the difference in the field, but it is better ballistically. Simple physics dictates that. 500GR, You still haven't answered my question about the H&H's you own. Any Miller's, Echol's, Purdey's, or H&H"s. Since those are the only true rifles to own. | |||
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I think he own's modifed model 70s and some 98s, along with a double rifle. You know, come to think of it, I haven't seen a purdey in 470 capstick or 585 nyati.... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Still being an Asshole eh Jeffe? | |||
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What is it about the mention of fine rifles that so intimidates and infuriates some folks??? | |||
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KC, explain yourself and tell me why you believe that Dan discredit’s the .375 Ruger? SDhunter, I don’t know if Dan owns H&H Ect what’s the problem anyway? I own in .375 H&H H&H Griffin & Howe Gary Goudy John Bolliger Dale Goens Herman Waldron Ray Price Ed Brown Carl Gunther And others – what is the problem with fine custom guns? I don’t understand, please explain. Roland | |||
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why doesn't asking for a citation of works quoted make some people fly off the handle like a menoposual old women? jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Roland, Do you really question that 500 Grains is not trying to discredit the "375 ROOGER" (as he spells it). If so explain yourself. As far as fine custom guns are concerned there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. Just as there is nothing wrong with a new cartridge in a rifle that is reasonably priced. Whether or not one chooses to use either is based on preference and or budget. KC  | |||
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Since this .375 Ruger is an efficent cartridge, compared to the 375 H&H , how is the pressure in those two rounds compared after an hot day or several days in Africa? When an round that is shorter and fatter has the same effect as an longer and better constructed round , it has to give in on some ways, and that is with higher pressures and sticky extractions. I rather have the H&H or Weatherby round than one that can be alike a redhead , temperamentfull and you dont know where that pressure will be....  | |||
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KCC, I think you are being overly sensitive about this. Several times I have posted that the 375 Rooger will match H&H ballistics in a standard length Ruger action. But let's not get carried away and believe the marketing hype that it generates 250 fps more velocity at the same pressure (with 3.5 grains case volume difference). Sounds to me exactly like the hype we heard about the WSM cartridges, which are now almost dead, except for the last kicks of the 300 WSM. Also, let's be realistic and realize that there is presently absolutely no infrastructure support for the cartridge nor is there ever likely to be any. Look at how hard it is to find 375 RUM ammo and brass. Ruger will undoubtedly sell some rifles in this caliber. But will it be just a flash in the pan? My guess is that in 5 years there will be no factory rifles chambered for it. But Ruger is free to prove me wrong.  | |||
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I was thinking also about the comparison with the .375 ruger an the WSM rounds, all of them was said to be the cartridge you need , ditch the old ones, but 5 years later, who do you hear about in storys and tests? 300 win MAgm 300 Weatherby, H&H rounds, and the WSM`s are rarely said anything about at all. So its good that they try to bring out some new ammo, but find out first if it is needed , so it wont be an flop..... | |||
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Agreed. Seems to be the same situation as the WSMs, WSSMs, and SAUMs. A solution in search of a problem. I'm not ready to hang up my H&Hs just yet. Andy | |||
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Give Dan a break!!! Save the hammer for when it's deserved. He obviously is comparing the two cartridges in a complimentary manner. IMHO, the 45-70 just gets it done...no flash, no frills, no grandstanding...just gets 'er done!! All of those old "superior" BP cartridges are mostly relics, brought back only by BPCRS folks. I believe the 45-70 is about 1/3 of Marlin's total production each year. Lots of Ruger #1's and HiWalls out there as well. Still the #1 sales leader at Shiloh Sharps. IMHO, the 375 Ruger will be the same thing, if it finds sufficient paying patrons to keep it on the production list. That said, if I bought one, I would figure out a way to lay in a lifetime supply...preferably 1000 pieces of brass. Rich DRSS | |||
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Roland1, I do not have a problem with fine custom guns. It all stems from 500gr not believing anyone would build a nice rifle on the 375 Ruger. And him stating that he won't believe it until someone actually has a nice rifle in possession built on the 375 Ruger. Then it was stated that it had to be a $10k-$100K rifle, not a paltry $4k-$6k rifle. Basically stating Echols, Miller, Purdey or H&H. I was just throwing the question back at him asking if he actually owns any nice rifles in 375 H&H. Calling his bluff so to speak. He hasn't answered the question yet. A simple yes or no will suffice. | |||
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I tell you guys what. If one of you orders a Purdey in .375 Ruger, then on the date of delivery of your rifle I will buy you 100 rounds of factory ammo for it (assuming that factory ammo is still made for it by then). This offer applies only to the first order with Purdey for a .375 Ruger and which is accepted by Purdey during the year 2007. If the rifle is actually produced, then when it is delivered I will buy the ammo for you. To qualify for this offer, you must be one of the pro-.375 Ruger guys posting on the .375 Ruger threads in the AR Big Bores forum. But somehow I doubt that there is actually anyone on AR who is going to order a Purdey in .375 Ruger. Prove me wrong. | |||
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I'm still thinking the .375 ruger is going to become the defacto "Big" gun for the average NA hunter. I suspect Savage will pick it up quickly and the mauser lovers will be buying up short chambered barrels for an inexpensive conversion of MK X's etc. I never had any interest in the recent short mags or ultra mags, but I will own a .375 ruger as soon as the reasonably priced prechambered barrels hit the market. Weagle | |||
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Uhhh...Did he say "CHALLENGE"???!  | |||
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SDhunter and other members, I believe that Dan is just hesitant about the .375 R and for obvious reasons, what have we seen the last 5 years a bunch of short magnums, ultra short ones, super duper maxi mag’s Ect. Just look at the results and what is left from all that fancy stuff, it is disappearing, the industry needed to do something, it didn’t work out, why? The market is already covered even Weatherby does not offer their .375 anymore, regardless what a lot of members on this board believe, follow the logic there is nothing you can do better with the .375 R if you compare to the.375 H&H, don’t understand me wrong the .375 R is a nice cartridge however it is no better than the .375 H&H. Easy enough to distinguish the advantages of the H&H a sterling reputation for nearly 100 years, already mentioned thousands of times high quality ammo available all over the world, most rifle manufactories offer the .375 H&H, ask any custom gun maker, no matter of it is David Miller or Hartmann & Weiss and everybody else in between the will build you a .375 H&H, all those reasons makes it popular and everything that is desirable is easy to sale if needed. And sure if one of the princes of England would commission Purdey for a 375 R it will most likely happen, but there are few princes of England and most unlikely the will buy a .375 Ruger. Members to compare a concept in a cradle with an authority is totally senseless, and that’s why I believe Dan is right, there is a big possibility that in 5 years the .375 Ruger will be a lost dream. With respect to all the .375 Ruger believers and owners I wish you good luck and great hunting.  Roland | |||
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Hey Dan, I know that you've said: "Negative posts are at least as valuable as positive ones"- 500grains and you generally have stayed well balanced in the past mixing up your negative posts w/ some positive posts. But, in the past you would would use a thin veil and reverse psychology to mask those negative posts. I enjoyed it. Lately, this 375Ruger thing has really gotten to you. I own one and understandably have made posts about it. But, you don't even have one yet have made over 20 posts on it in just a day. As of late, over half your posts have been consumed by the 375Ruger. You've dropped previous cleverness I enjoyed and now have become a bit overly outright negative. No longer are we debating, it's now just post after post of lobbing insults. These threads and posts no longer have any value for one seeking an informed opinion, either negative or positive. GVA | |||
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Now the only way to prove Dan wrong is to commission a Purdey?  You can't be serious. You commission Purdey to build a 375 H&H. I'll get my Ruger built. We'll go on hunt and see what animal will know the difference. This cartridge is going to allow more average people the opportunity to own a ballistically great worldwide hunting cartridge. Tradition, pompousness and egos be damned. | |||
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i think some people just dont like it when tradition and the "old way" is infringed upon...like myself but i say tomayto you say tomahto and we all get along. compare a new and improved cart to the deified h+h (holy + holy) and you will ruffle some feathers like asking to pass the jelly in the pollaner all fruit commercial or going to the golf course and the guy behind you waiting to make his shot has his name on his shirt, not on the parking space. its tradition and modernity colliding in the hunting world. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1080102496&fr=yfp-t-501 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Occasionally someone resurrects a three-five year old thread to show what was said just a few years ago....this one will be very interesting in the year 2010..... I'm on board as saying the .375 Ruger will be a big winner .......but not for Ruger.....for Hornady!!! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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SDhunter, You are twisting my words, read my post more in dept; I’m not bashing the .375 R. A lot of average people hunt with the .375 H&H Whitetails, hogs etc, the availability of factory ammo – 230 grain - 380 grain is a great advantage. You can pick up a .375 H&H in most gunshops for $ 500. I believe this has nothing to do with pompousness and egos but more with common sense. SDhunter to compare a concept in a cradle with an authority is totally senseless, and that’s why I believe Dan is right, there is a big possibility that in 5 years the .375 Ruger will be a lost dream. SDhunter , it is useless to argue just for the heck of it, if you are convinced the .375 R is right for you, so be it, I wish you the best. SDhunter just one more thing; you state that the .375 R cartridge is going to allow more average people the opportunity to own a ballistically great worldwide hunting cartridge. Why is that? – please explain. Roland | |||
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375 H&H in most gunshops for $500.00...WHERE?  Judging from your prior posts, you don't go "slumming" in those shops. I fall off my chair laughing every time someone slamms the 375 Ruger by saying there won't be ammo all over the place in five years...like there is for 9.3X62, 450-400, 404, 505, 416 Taylor, and on and on...Nobody seems to have a hard on for these old classics...wants them burried... This forum is Accurate RELOADING, not accurate ammo shopping.  | |||
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  good one! p.s. accurate shopping would have a lot more women...  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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luv2safari, I did not say a new .375 H&H; if new, you would have an outrageous price between $ 700 and $ 900 for a Remington, CZ Etc. First off all, again I am not slamming or bashing the .375 R, I try to share some points of view. You are twisting my words, I emphasized POSSIBILITY! I think you are confused with the reloading section of this Forum; you are in the section Big Bores. Roland | |||
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Is the .375 Ruger an answer to a question that no one ever asked???  | |||
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Roland1, All was in the spirit of good fun, and I'm not trying to slam anyone here. I was just amused by the irony of doom and gloom predictions of scarce ammo by a bunch here who shoot some of the most obscure of rounds and think they don't compare with their predictions for the 375 "Rooger". Hell, I love my metric chambered drillings and cape gun, but try to buy off the shelf ammo for them. I'll ALWAYS have a well tuned 375 H&H around the gun safe and for all the obvious reasons. I sure like this Hawkeye, though. | |||
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How would this prove your assertion that Purdey will build .375 Roogers?? | |||
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