Dated July 23, 2007:

Dear Valued Customers,
Please be advised that we will be unable to produce your pending order(s) due to market and production confines presently beyond our control; mostly brought on by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We simply do not have the capacity to do short runs and/or specialty cartridges at this time. We truly regret the imposition we have placed upon you.

Once we complete the construction of our new building, which is expected in mid 2008, and have the capacity made possible by the additional floor space, we will contact you to determine if your needs have been addressed elsewhere in the marketplace. If not, we will give you a preferential position in the production schedule over any new orders we receive at that time as well as a discounted shipping rate.

Thank you for your understanding in these difficult times and for having been a loyal customer.

Jamison International V LLC

its unfortunate but the troops do come first.

glad we have over 4,000 pieces of 585 belted mag on hand

Boomie,
You are insufferable.

I've got sufficient Jamison and BeLL basic cylindrical .416 Rigby stashed for development purposes of the 500 Mbogo aka 50-08.

I can use .416 Rigby for the .395 Tatanka aka 40-07.

I have horded .375 Ruger for .395 Ruger Max.

I have horded .338 Lapua Mag. for use in the .398 Lapua Mag.

I am sitting pretty.

Don't need no stinking belts "scrapped" onto some Jamison .505 Gibbs basic.

You will be transforming Jamison brass into Lame-ison brass.

Give him hell Rob and Canuck.

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:

He finally figured out Belts are great! Wonder how many pieces of 505 brass will actually be "belted" by poor ol Ed. Till he figures out he's been had. Lets see if any money changes hands.-Rob

This just gives a breather on paying for a big order of Jamison Basic Cylindrical .416 Rigby brass.

The beat goes on.

Just a routine bump in the road.
If anybody wants to consolidate with me on an order for it, I'll be here.

I like the idea of a blank headstamp, or one that just says "Jamison," or both "Jamison" and "Mbogo," with room to engrave either a "470" or a "500" in the blank space.

rip...my comments were not a jab at anyone but a sigh of relief that there is brass on hand. good day to you sir.

Right!
Give him hell, Rob, Canuck, and Charles!

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Right!
Give him hell, Rob, Canuck, and Charles!

I don't know how he meant it, but it does read like a "Na na na na na na", or Nelson Muntz's famous "Ha ha".

I've only taken issue with the "too big for his britches", matter of fact, old pro statements.

Cheers,
Canuck

In case there's any confusion...
Everything2.com -- "too big for his britches": It means when someone has gotten too arrogant, vain, or too sure of themselves.

Ed will put belts on as fast as he can.
And I get my bit when cases are sold by
Neal. And like I said it wouldn't go
if we didn't have the truckload to start
with. And I wish Jamison the best
of luck and when he has expanded I sure
we all will get stuff from him.
And don't look down on belts, as when
Rich starts firing he will fire a couple
many times to check and show
that that case is able to handle
dozens of firings..Ed

Boomie's highjack gone bad.

Boomie Gone Wild.

Girl Gone Wild.

Oh, never mind, just free associating.

ED- get your money first!-Rob

Ladies & Gentlemen,

let me present the first two charter members of the "...if I didn't come up with the idea, it must not be feasible..." Club, aka the Whiners Hall of Fame.

First, for his incessant talk about inventing the 500 Buhmiller cartridge half a century later, and still not telling us he has ordered reamers from Dave Manson, or done anything but talk, talk, talk, talk, talk... Sounds like one of those annoying little rat dogs old people have that run around yapping and peeing on everything because they get so excited about themselves.
Our own RIP.

Second, for his somewhat disjointed, inane prattling about all of the big bore rifles he owns, aka "Ed is my private facilitator stay away Boomstick, you'll steal my thunder": the Pride of Las Vegas, Robgunbuilder.

While RIP just talks incessantly about what he might or means to do "next year..."; and there is always next year isn't there rippy (?), RGB has actually said, although not in so many words, that Boomstick has Ed doing the same thing HE conned Ed into doing for him a year or two back...the 700HE. Rob posted a day or two ago, that he actually had the idea, Ed just is making it happen in his shop, testing and working, and testing some more. RBG then posts that he is incensed that Boomie has the (dare it say it?) unmitigated gall to ask Ed to do the same thing except actually get paid for his work.

Ford Motor Company is famous for its NIH, "Not Invented Here", issues. RIP and RGB have their own similar program, albeit in a specialized arena and forum.

RIP, here's your deal, you are talking about building a 50 caliber rifle that will probably interchange brass with Buhmillers creation. Quit talking and and just DO IT! As Josey Wales said, "...well, you gonna pull them pistols or whistle Dixie...?".

RGB, here's your deal, it is working for you. There are issues with brass availability and quality.
This one Boomstick dreamed up, and Ed Hubel is producing/modifying, and Neal Shirley will have the brass for sale, perhaps in as little as two weeks. I take a very, very small bit of the credit, only as someone who can help facilitate production of the first rifle to assist in testing.

You are the Big Bore Guru of this AR forum. You da Man!! You have been very helpful to all the members, reporting back what your actual, live-firing tests have shown with these two cannons. Step up to the plate man, congratulate Boomstick and Ed; and as they say in baseball, "...put one in the cheap seats, Big Guy...".

your humble 'svt,

Rich
DRSS

rich is having the new 585 shoot in six weeks. bring yer rifles and lets shoot them. i will be glad to add to my experience and shoot your 600 ok rob.

I would put boom stick on ignore too except that he does at least add an element of comedy.

May not get a batch cases ready at Neal's
in two weeks, as that alone is about shipping time both ways. but in 3-4 weeks there may be some.There will be no problems with
Custom Brass on my bit. I didn't do Rob's
work for him on the 12ga, he did his own,
I just helped figure a way to get a rim on.
And he and John made all the cases.I just carried on with the thread as there was
a large area of research, which is fun to do,
on all 12ga heavy loadings in various guns,
at moderate pressures, Rob did high pressure
as that was what his gun was for.
Nobody- Rob, John, Boomie, Rich, Big Al,
Neal, has taken advantage of me. Ed

This really makes me glad that I went with a .500 A2 and not something more exotic.

Idaho Sharpshooter- You really have a penchant for getting nearly all the facts wrong don't you ? The ones you don't get wrong, you then make up huh? Do you have dyslexia? Are your reading and comprehensions skills a challenge?
Read Ed's posts carefully. Not only did I MAKE the first 12 GAFH cases, but I machined the first .600OK's from solid brass too. Wanna see some 585 NYATI brass with belts machined into them? STILL have them and they are DATED in case you want to debate that too. I then designed the brass cases and payed Horneber about $10,000( my money and 9 other guys from this forum) to have a few thousand pieces of brass produced. I then designed and built the complete actions for the first TWO .600OK's( CZ550 and GMA) to the tune of about $8,000 of my own money to prove this could be safely done.! FACT!. Of course you were not even on this site then as you were too busy making enemy's elsewhere at the time. OH yes I've heard the stories!
Sorry dude but the fact is I was the first to figure out how to put belts on non-belted DGR cases and if you don't believe it. TOUGH SHIT!

Second FRitz 454 and I built a BELTED 585 YEARS BEFORE you guys HAD THIS VISION and in the WORLD I COME FROM, YOU GIVE ALL OTHERS CREDIT FOR THE BASIC IDEA. MY COMPANY PAYS MILLIONS IN ROYALTIES TO OTHERS FOR THEIR PATENDS BECAUSE ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. YOUR NOT DOING THAT ARE YOU? YOUR JUST HIJACKING MY IDEAS, APPLYING IT TO A DIFFERENT CASE AND PROCLAIMING A NEW INVENTION. SORRY BUT THATS PURE CRAP and YOU KNOW IT or should anyway. I can't Patend cartridges or such basic concepts so I just have to sit back and let you guys Hijack my ideas. I suppose in a way I should be flattered and I would be, if due credit was given.
Second point- Any moron can take a idea like this and DESIGN a new cartridge. Boomstick proves that point endlessly. Has he ever invested in a rifle to fire that cartridge? Has he figured out the proper action, mag box, stock, bedding requirements? Has he spent any of his own money? The answer is NO! He's become the site CARTRIDGE PIMP!
Sorry but I'm not interested in being party to any of that crap. If you can make it work and it rings your chimes, good for you. But by now you should understand why I'm NOT CHEERING YOU ON!
Finally, You seem to want to challenge RIP and I as well as others here on our basic integrity. NOT a SMART MOVE DUDE! So far all I'm seeing from you is a extremely belligent attitude and a whole lot of HOT AIR and PUFFERY. Do you want this to be the next forum your run off from? HERE is a TIP, YOUR NOT REAL POPULAR with most of us! Suggestion, PUT A SOCK IN IT -Rob

quote:

Originally posted by analog_peninsula:
This really makes me glad that I went with a .500 A2 and not something more exotic.

Hey, it is supposed to be fun. If it is not fun, don't do it. The 500A2 is more than enough for any chore.

As for me, I don't plan to do anymore wildcats. The .395 Tatanka is a working rifle ... the .398 Lapua Mag. is being built ... the .395 Ruger Max is waiting a few weeks more for the perfected reamer ...

The 500 Mbogo, barrel and reamer have been hanging around since March of this year waiting for word on a Satterlee action.

I do not want to make any $10,000 investments on a run of brass ... but maybe bullets.

rgb

Poor baby...did I hurt your feelings...?

sorry, I did give you a chance to be a man...that was probably too much of a challenge for you.

Do try not to get your panties in a bunch sis, it ill becomes someone of your age.

First thing you have been right about here, you can't patent putting any sort of belt on any sort of un-belted cartridge case.

Dates and witnesses to corroborate your statements would be nice, since that IS what Boomie has done here with Ed's volunteered assistance.

I really believe that your issue here with Boomie's new design is that your only contribution is vaguely, I repeat V-A-G-U-E-L-Y coming up with a same power level cartridge in the same caliber earlier. If that is so, I welcome your bombastic statements about little rippy taking John Buhmillers 50 on the Rigby and claiming any originality.
But you two "Boodie Buddies" stick close, you look good together...

Boomies 577/585 will deliver equivalent power and recoil levels to yours, so consider your Superman posing days at an end. In six weeks or so there will be an additional ten or twelve members of the 577/585 Magnum shooters club, and I expect by year's end about as many of Boomie's design will have been built for forum members.

HAS BEEN!!! harnessed up next to a wannabe...you two are a real pair.

Rich
DRSS


As a personal aside, as of this date, and going back to early school days; NOBODY has ever run me off anywhere. With the one exception of an Arc-Light I called in September of 1971. B-52's will do that. Not to puff me up, but if you've never been in combat, and played kill or be killed, you are just a yappy mouthed little lap dog wanting to pretend you have the cojones to play with the big boys. I don't think you do babycakes.
You do have an open invitation to come visit me anytime...just so we can sort this out man to...wherever you situate yourself on the chain. The difference between the two of us, you talk tough...I've been walking that walk since the late 1960's.

IDAHO-Sharpshooter( i.e BOZO the CLOWN)-.
MY instincts were dead on about you as were many other here.
YOUR INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY ONLY MATCHES YOUR INTEGRITY DOESN"T IT. Zero=ZERO!
My guess is you never amounted to anything did you? JUST a dried up OLD FART living in a dream world( Trailer) and ENVIOUS OF EVERYONE WHO CAN DO WHAT YOU CAN"T. ALL YOUR BULLSHIT isn't FLYING HERE MORON!
WHAT A TOOL! I knew I COULD GET YOU TO JUMP OFF THE DEEP END AGAIN. IT's CHEAPER and WAY more FUN THAN giving you FOOD PELLETS too! IS YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE AT 200 yet? Better check it as it's gonna be! IF NOT, I'm JUST the guy to help you stroke yourself out!
NOW TELL US ALL AGAIN HOW TOUGH AND SMART YOU ARE. I REALLY LIKE YOUR MAKE BELIEVE STORIES TOO. WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR MORE! WOW, WE ARE ALL SO IMPRESSED WE VOTOED YOU BOZO of the year!


-Rob

Hey fellows don't fight. You both are
ex servicemen and have earned your place
in the world. Both are gunnuts.
As far as belted cases I put first belts on
404 cases, then turned rim off of 450NE
and put on belt in early nineties.
I wanted longer case, so used 450 .
This belting process wasn't the push,
scrap, crinkle the corner, process
others had use with dies only. Tested
my 458HE belted from 95 to 98, I had belts on
475 #2, Nyati,BMG during that time.
Shrunk the Boyes case to make a belted 600,
didn't promote it as cases were 12 bucks ea.
Showed Bruce at the 99 Shotshow in Atlanta
my creations, some of which were his cases.
Was on Johnny Rowlands show in a segment
taped there. Took 98 to 03 off from
wildcatting to try getting tv network
going.Got back into it after I got
on here in 03.Had my Long 585HE done
last year and fired. My 700 tested this year.
Nobody is stealing ideas. But most like
good ideas like 600 OK and 585 Belted Magnum.
Except RIP I guess. But if there is aplace
for 395 calibers-- there is a place for
a long lasting 585, without the brass and
reamer problems of Nyati, uncertainty of
ASq with Trex, for bolt action use.Ed

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
Hey fellows don't fight. You both are
ex servicemen and have earned your place
in the world. Both are gunnuts.
As far as belted cases I put first belts on
404 cases, then turned rim off of 450NE
and put on belt in early nineties.
I wanted longer case, so used 450 .
This belting process wasn't the push,
scrap, crinkle the corner, process
others had use with dies only. Tested
my 458HE belted from 95 to 98, I had belts on
475 #2, Nyati,BMG during that time.
Shrunk the Boyes case to make a belted 600,
didn't promote it as cases were 12 bucks ea.
Showed Bruce at the 99 Shotshow in Atlanta
my creations, some of which were his cases.
Was on Johnny Rowlands show in a segment
taped there. Took 98 to 03 off from
wildcatting to try getting tv network
going.Got back into it after I got
on here in 03.Had my Long 585HE done
last year and fired. My 700 tested this year.
Nobody is stealing ideas. But most like
good ideas like 600 OK and 585 Belted Magnum.
Except RIP I guess. But if there is aplace
for 395 calibers-- there is a place for
a long lasting 585, without the brass and
reamer problems of Nyati, uncertainty of
ASq with Trex, for bolt action use.Ed

Awesome post Ed!

Rob,
It ain't worth your time. The Idaho Zephyr blows lies and repeats them until he believes them himself. Put him on ignore. Don't waste your time.

Ed,
I have nothing against a belt.

RIP- BOZO the IDAHO CLOWN has finally blown his fuse! He really needs to stop sending me threatening E-Mail. Frankly its hysterically funny and pathetic all at the same time. He can't deal with me intellectually so he resorts to death threats. Sorry Bozo but thats why your a LOOSER! Hope he's smart ENOUGH though to know that at this point I'm willing to turn it all over to the Idaho State Police. There is a pretty good IT trail right to his IP address and I don't think they will take a call from me lightly. Making threats over the internet really isn't a smart thing to do these days. One phone call from me and he's liable to get a very big surprise visit. THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT IT!
Good advise though he's now on IGNORE.

Pathetic indeed. I have not been so lucky as to get a death threat from him yet.

Here we go again!

Rip- You kidding ,he made similar threats to you! Read its post! What do you think he was saying in the last go around you had with him?
I just turned over all the threatening e-mails to my head of Security. Nice Guy used to be a NV state trooper and head of the drug interdiction investigation division here in LV. He says he has some good contacts in Idaho. I'll leave it in his hands from now on. A nut-case like this needs to be stopped.-Rob

Rob,
If he was making death threats against me, then he was not serious enough to do anything other than babble on in posts here that were "on ignore" on my side of the screen. I can take care of myself, but I would sure hate to hurt him in self defense, sicko that he is.
If he has expanded his threats to others, this is a disturbing pattern indeed.

I do not have the resources or connections that a millionaire scientist with patents in the immunomodulator pharmaceutical field does, so if you can make short work of the nut case it would be appreciated, for the public good.

Immunomodulate him!

Hey when you guys are finished with Mandrill-Fest '07 could one of you PM me Jamison's contact info. Been a while since I talked to him and need to make a $$,$$$.$$ inquiry.

Macifej,
Public Message:

Jamison International V LLC
Custom & Obsolete Cartridges
3551 Mayer Avenue
Sturgis, SD 57785

phone: 605-347-5090
fax: 605-347-4704

jamisonintl@rushmore.com

Thanks for getting this back on topic.

I'm sure they would find a $$$$$$$$ inquiry interesting, even a $$$$$$$, or maybe even a $$$$$$ inquiry too, soon. Aught Eight.

Minor adjustment to the $ amount. $$$ is not the concern but their capability to produce LARGE cases in small quantities. Last time answer was huh? You want us to make what? See if anything has changed.

RIP- as you well know, Immunology can be simply described as the science of how the Immune system identifies Antigens ( foreign material) and eventually excretes it.
No need to invent a new process, this one works just fine.
Remember the Antigen must first present itself.
I function as a APC. -Rob

one of the instructors lives about a 1/4 mile down the road. Want his name and phone number? I sent him your previous quote about suggesting that rip come to vegas so you can arm him with a baseball bat.

I merely suggest that you back your mouth up in a face to face. As far as anybody from out of state having any clout with the ISP...snicker! It takes less than fifteen minutes to remodel a post from to read anything anyone wants to post in place of waht was actually said.

You have simply what they refer to as IBS, Internet Bully Syndrome...

I take this to you in a PM, and you go crying to the crowd...quite a man.

Rich
DRSS

RGB,

get a dictionary...the word is "Loser"...it's tattooed on your forehead, look in the mirror.
Rich
DRSS

i hate mandrils


For the record, *I* was the first person on the planet to put a 585 bullet in the jamison gibbs brass. Oct 2005? But, actually DOING the belt wasn't me. I decided it would require a belt to headspace, talked with neal, rob, dave, and ed about it, and gave up on the project, as making a belt was a PITA and Rob had the corrected nyati reamer available. I still need to do a 585, but will probably do a 600 OK first.

It'll work, sure enough, and it will be more or less be a belt nyati in performance

Good luck Boomie.

Now, I need my riby basic, would prefer blank headstamp. I want to get my 500 AR fed on a steady diet



jeffe

GENTS PLAY NICE



Back on topic I have had my 338 custom wildcat brass on order with them for over a year and have heard all kinds of bs but dont have it yet and I have even paid for the brass and bunting die for my custom headstamp up front .

quote:

Originally posted by CRUSHER

Back on topic I have had my 338 custom wildcat brass on order with them for over a year and have heard all kinds of bs but dont have it yet and I have even paid for the brass and bunting die for my custom headstamp up front .

Ah, yes, back on topic again, thank you CRUSHER.

I have heard about them having to finish hauling in the old BELL/MAST machinery and rebuild it, and acquiring the assets of another company too, and now having to build a larger building, and the military contracts. All this sounds like it is making Jamison bigger and better and eventually more able to supply the custom and obsolete markets they are so proud of serving.

Please do tell about your .338 Wildcat, as it is Jamison brass.

Then, what kind of deal did they make with you, i.e., what quantity of brass and how much deniro for the bunter? This will take us back to big bores and Jamison brass.

quote:

All this sounds like it is making Jamison bigger and better and eventually more able to supply the custom and obsolete markets they are so proud of serving.

Don't kid yourself for one minute that Jamison is concerned about the obsolete market. All he's concerned with is acquiring and fulfilling his government contracts, and making money off those little proprietary cartridges of his. What he makes on the oddities wouldn't pay a light bill for him!

I'd be willing to bet that we have seen the last of the double rifle brass from Jamison for at least 2 years, if not more.

I only hope his quality control for his military stuff is better than the double rifle stuff. I'm just greatful for the new Hornady 450/400 3 inch and the 9.3X74R Brass and Ammo!

Jeez Rusty, there has been a lot of investment for the future going on there. I get the impression Marc has been making brass with one hand while driving a fork lift, writing checks to suppliers, and yanking on wrenches alternately, with the other hand. First runs of started up brass got fixed if they are not perfect the first time.
If he doesn't work himself to death he'll get around to it.

He said he wants to supply the little guys with brass too, when he gets the capacity to do his big business and the sidelines.

And yes, no need for Jamison to bother with 450/400 3" and 9.3x74R if Hornady is flooding the market with it.

I think it is honorable to have a notice from Jamison, a message, to be respected with a bit of forbearance.

Don't kill the messenger.