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 Well my wife thinks that 20" is a lot....   My 577 has a 24" barrel.. Waaay too long.. Wow - I am beginning to sound just like Doc M | |||
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Michael: PM sent. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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You should easily be able to get 2600 gps from the 585-600. With a 800 gr bullet particularily if you use a bore rider design. The 585 Nyati is basically the same case without the belt and has a long history of problems associated with it. The .6000k cases were designed for high pressure from The beginning as well as for smooth feeding and positive headspacing off the belt. This case was designed for the .600 and there is no way to headspace it without a belt. Rim diameter was designed as max you could open up a CZ bolt and still have case control when feeding.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Thanks to all for the information. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Michael, Let me know how this goes .. i might have to buy a PH action ... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeff! A magnum action? Say it ain't so!  Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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aww, come on dave.. i am like michael on that.. while i have them, i don't prefer the jumbo actions ... since i design cartidges that get massive performance out of standard length actions .. well, i can see where you might get to that "really, jeffe buying a magnum action" might come from!! its nice to be known for the work and type of actions i prefer to use ... acknowledge experience is a high compliment opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeff, what do you regard as the best of your cartridges? Which is your favorite? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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the best? the 458 AccRel -- this is the most flexible, cheapest to feed, and cheapest to understand. You can go OVER 2400 fps, 2300 is VERY easy, with 500 gr bullets .. drop it in any "standard magnum" and go! My Fav? the 470 AccRel .. it is the first real .475 chunker that fits in a standard length bolt action .. The 500 AccRel is, in my opinion, a re-imagining of the 500 jeffery for modern cases and powders. It does what the 500 wanted to do, fits in a standard 98 without HUGE modifications. It matches the 500 jeff in every aspect, and has easier to get brass, if you are forming it. I am amazed by its performance. The 550 Express, which Neal designed, and I just assisted, is MY reference of biggest i can shoot .. its a 577 NE in a standard mauser, single stack. the 416 AccRel is great.. so great that its obviated by the 416 ruger .. while mine is larger, I say the same thing about the 416 taylor .. the ruger does the job, period. I am basicaly the only user of the 550 Flanged .. its a beast! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I was just talking to Michael about the 550 Express. Although all the information says it will fit in a standard length action, he thinks that you would have to so major work to stuff it into a Winchester. Then there is the problem of bullets. Really GOOD 550 bullets are pretty hard to find. I have been going back and forth about a 585 AHR. However, I think it is about to become an orphan unless we can convince Wayne to keep it going and come up with some money to make the brass. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Some time ago I was going to get one of these built but the issue of bullets really got in the way. Great cartridge for all that walks. But ... the bullets ... Thats why you should go with the 585!  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Alaska bullet works makes GREAT bullets for the 550 .. and hawk has SOFTies and, of course, barnes! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeff, I looked in the Barnes store yesterday and didn't see any 550s. R they now making a .550? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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here you go http://www.custombrassandbullets.com/bullets1.html opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Custom Brass and Bullets also lists brass for the 600 Overkill and the 585 Belted. I am guessing the latter is the 585 AHR don't you think? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Neal has a nice sales manager who ANSWERS the phone .. which is a nice addition for him. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe, Do you know if their email works? I dont think I have ever received a response to an email inquiry but it's my own fault since I never followd up with a phone call. In thinking about that, though, it is possible they did respond and the blasted System blocked the response. Again my fault but just wondering abou thte email thing. Thanks NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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i took boomie's concept on the shorty and went ahead and designed it... goodness, i am a glutton for punishment opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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OK guys, I have to step in and clear up a couple of things. The 585 AHR is a pretty cool cartridge, but it does not sell well. No 577 / 585's sell well. CCMdoc's is the last one we made and that was over two years ago. We have probably made less than ten total and that includes the ones made by Ed Plummer. Ed had an initial run of 585 brass made years ago and we have been working off that bunch of brass since then. We are down to a little over 100 pieces left, enough to go with one rifle and last that person a lifetime. The 600 OK brass can be necked down to 585 no problem. There is no 600 OK basic brass. Except for Hornerber who made some years ago, our brass is the only stuff out there. Custom Brass and Bullets does not sell our brass. I believe their listing is informational only. I'm happy about the sudden interest in the cartridge, but there is not enough to invest in a whole new run of brass, there never has been. | |||
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Wayne, just got a PM from Paul. Let us know how much brass you have. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I have about 100 pieces of .600 OK2 brass 3.25 inch if anyone wants to build the ultimate .585.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Or just keep it as the ultimate 600... | |||
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