.585 AHR

07 March 2011, 16:16

buffalo

.585 AHR

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
Little doubt that you could hit over 2,500fps with an 800g GSC using W760 or H414. Would probably need a real man's barrel length (23-25") rather than the eunich-like appendage preferred by some.

Well my wife thinks that 20" is a lot....

My 577 has a 24" barrel.. Waaay too long..
Wow - I am beginning to sound just like Doc M

07 March 2011, 17:41

Dave Bush

quote:
Originally posted by michael458:
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Bush:
I was wondering how many here besides CCMDoc's dad have a .585 AHR. For reasons that I can't really explain, except for the fact that the .585 can be built somewhat lighter than a .600 OK, my preference has always been for the .585 over the 600.

If you have one, how do you like it and what weight did you select?

Dave

I don't have one, can't figure to get it in a Winchester of course. But Doc sent me a sample of both the 600 OK and the 585 both with CEB BBW #13s---and WOW, I am somewhat taken with the 585 it looks great! If I could stuff that in a Winchester M70 I would have myself one of those!

Michael

Michael:

PM sent.

Dave
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07 March 2011, 19:45

Robgunbuilder

You should easily be able to get 2600 gps from the 585-600. With a 800 gr bullet particularily if you use a bore rider design.
The 585 Nyati is basically the same case without the belt and has a long history of problems associated with it. The .6000k cases were designed for high pressure from
The beginning as well as for smooth feeding and positive headspacing off the belt. This case was designed for the .600 and there is no way to headspace it without a belt. Rim diameter was designed as max you could open up a CZ bolt and still have case control when feeding.-Rob

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07 March 2011, 22:32

Michael Robinson

Thanks to all for the information.

08 March 2011, 00:40

jeffeosso

Michael,
Let me know how this goes .. i might have to buy a PH action ...

opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com

08 March 2011, 03:21

Dave Bush

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Michael,
Let me know how this goes .. i might have to buy a PH action ...

Jeff! A magnum action? Say it ain't so!

08 March 2011, 16:37

jeffeosso

aww, come on dave.. i am like michael on that.. while i have them, i don't prefer the jumbo actions ... since i design cartidges that get massive performance out of standard length actions .. well, i can see where you might get to that "really, jeffe buying a magnum action" might come from!!

its nice to be known for the work and type of actions i prefer to use ... acknowledge experience is a high compliment

08 March 2011, 19:07

Dave Bush

Jeff, what do you regard as the best of your cartridges? Which is your favorite?

08 March 2011, 19:50

jeffeosso

the best?
the 458 AccRel -- this is the most flexible, cheapest to feed, and cheapest to understand. You can go OVER 2400 fps, 2300 is VERY easy, with 500 gr bullets .. drop it in any "standard magnum" and go!

My Fav? the 470 AccRel .. it is the first real .475 chunker that fits in a standard length bolt action ..

The 500 AccRel is, in my opinion, a re-imagining of the 500 jeffery for modern cases and powders. It does what the 500 wanted to do, fits in a standard 98 without HUGE modifications. It matches the 500 jeff in every aspect, and has easier to get brass, if you are forming it. I am amazed by its performance.

The 550 Express, which Neal designed, and I just assisted, is MY reference of biggest i can shoot .. its a 577 NE in a standard mauser, single stack.

the 416 AccRel is great.. so great that its obviated by the 416 ruger .. while mine is larger, I say the same thing about the 416 taylor .. the ruger does the job, period.

I am basicaly the only user of the 550 Flanged .. its a beast!

08 March 2011, 20:44

Dave Bush

I was just talking to Michael about the 550 Express. Although all the information says it will fit in a standard length action, he thinks that you would have to so major work to stuff it into a Winchester. Then there is the problem of bullets. Really GOOD 550 bullets are pretty hard to find.

I have been going back and forth about a 585 AHR. However, I think it is about to become an orphan unless we can convince Wayne to keep it going and come up with some money to make the brass.

08 March 2011, 20:54

CCMDoc

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Bush:
I was just talking to Michael about the 550 Express. Although all the information says it will fit in a standard length action, he thinks that you would have to so major work to stuff it into a Winchester. Then there is the problem of bullets. Really GOOD 550 bullets are pretty hard to find.

I have been going back and forth about a 585 AHR. However, I think it is about to become an orphan unless we can convince Wayne to keep it going and come up with some money to make the brass.

Some time ago I was going to get one of these built but the issue of bullets really got in the way. Great cartridge for all that walks.

But ... the bullets ...

Thats why you should go with the 585!

08 March 2011, 21:39

jeffeosso

Alaska bullet works makes GREAT bullets for the 550 .. and hawk has SOFTies

and, of course, barnes!

08 March 2011, 22:38

Dave Bush

Jeff, I looked in the Barnes store yesterday and didn't see any 550s. R they now making a .550?

08 March 2011, 22:43

jeffeosso

here you go
http://www.custombrassandbullets.com/bullets1.html

08 March 2011, 22:58

Dave Bush

Custom Brass and Bullets also lists brass for the 600 Overkill and the 585 Belted. I am guessing the latter is the 585 AHR don't you think?

08 March 2011, 22:59

jeffeosso

Neal has a nice sales manager who ANSWERS the phone .. which is a nice addition for him.

08 March 2011, 23:39

CCMDoc

Jeffe,

Do you know if their email works?

I dont think I have ever received a response to an email inquiry but it's my own fault since I never followd up with a phone call.

In thinking about that, though, it is possible they did respond and the blasted System blocked the response.

Again my fault but just wondering abou thte email thing.

Thanks

08 March 2011, 23:49

jeffeosso

i took boomie's concept on the shorty and went ahead and designed it...
goodness, i am a glutton for punishment

09 March 2011, 03:31

Bitterroot

OK guys, I have to step in and clear up a couple of things.

The 585 AHR is a pretty cool cartridge, but it does not sell well. No 577 / 585's sell well. CCMdoc's is the last one we made and that was over two years ago. We have probably made less than ten total and that includes the ones made by Ed Plummer.

Ed had an initial run of 585 brass made years ago and we have been working off that bunch of brass since then. We are down to a little over 100 pieces left, enough to go with one rifle and last that person a lifetime.

The 600 OK brass can be necked down to 585 no problem. There is no 600 OK basic brass. Except for Hornerber who made some years ago, our brass is the only stuff out there.

Custom Brass and Bullets does not sell our brass. I believe their listing is informational only.

I'm happy about the sudden interest in the cartridge, but there is not enough to invest in a whole new run of brass, there never has been.

09 March 2011, 04:17

Dave Bush

Wayne, just got a PM from Paul. Let us know how much brass you have.

09 March 2011, 04:27

Express_Rifles

quote:
We are down to a little over 100 pieces left

09 March 2011, 07:50

Robgunbuilder

I have about 100 pieces of .600 OK2 brass 3.25 inch if anyone wants to build the ultimate .585.-Rob

09 March 2011, 13:04

buffalo

quote:
Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
I have about 100 pieces of .600 OK2 brass 3.25 inch if anyone wants to build the ultimate .585.-Rob

Or just keep it as the ultimate 600...