Going into production in .395, .416, .505, & .550 as we speak. PM with your quantity and I'll put you in the que.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Looks like the perfect .395-caliber/330-grain FN brass solid By Bear Head.

Great looking bullets, Mac

They're highly corrosion resistant too Blair! You could cull some of those pesky White Sharks that bother you guys over there eh?

Maci- When .458dia becomes popular I will send an email your way

No worries ElkMeister! I'll make some .458's sooner than later.

If you ever decide to make them in 9.3, please make them in 300grn .
They would be a great with the 9.3 300grn Swift A Frames.

Might be a little long in 9.3 but it could be done. I have another heavier alloy which would be perfect but it is seriously expensive!

glad to hear about the 470's!

would it be a "double duty" bullet for turnbolts and DR's?

"Mac" just got a lot more popular.

Mac...time to team up with someone for safari loaded ammo sales. 9,3 to 2 bore

...Since every one is thinking mono metal solids ,Does anyone know who makes one in .429 cal ,, say 220-250 ish weight ....Something meplated with a crimping groove..???? They are for my wifes 44 special pocked bear head breaker .,.aka Charter 2000 Buldog pug..Thank you... gumboot ..

No clue who make's them but it could easily be done if you wanted a lot of them.

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
...Since every one is thinking mono metal solids ,Does anyone know who makes one in .429 cal ,, say 220-250 ish weight ....Something meplated with a crimping groove..???? They are for my wifes 44 special pocked bear head breaker .,.aka Charter 2000 Buldog pug..Thank you... gumboot ..

Gummy, at 44 spec velocities(and w/3" barrel), might as well use good hard cast bullets. Will work the same as the above, and lots cheaper. She will still be shooting a mono metal bullet.

Keith

...That is true ..I am after the deepest penetration I can get within the pressure parameters that I have to deal with ..I was thinking something like a cup point bullet , with around a .375 dia. meplate area. But the metal has to be tough enough to not deform...Even the toughest cast bullets I,ve shot deform some......but they do seem to penetrate straight...Macifej,,,, How many bullets would be needed to be ordered ..they would probably also be used in my 44 mags..

The breakeven run is 1000 pieces at a reasonable price. I'd be concerned that the pressure drop in a short barreled revolver wouldn't be suited to a relatively hard solid. Some testing would need to happen before production. Interesting possibilities though.

when the 500 MAX becomes popular

it would be good to have some 600 grain rifle bullets in .500"

Ranger Ricks cast bullets will have to do till then.

p.s. since north fork does not make solids over .458" you have a nice niche market.

a solid in 470 would be popular here especialy a dual duty one suitable for DR's and turn bolt trash like myself...

HI Boomstick
North Fork does make .475 solids here is the link http://northforkbullets.com/pricing.htm

Take care,
Dave

oh #@$% you are right...its softs they dont make...NEVERMIND (best gilda radner voice)

good thing we here in america have the right to extreme stupidity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Vvc42FxO0

I don't shoot Barnes bullets don't like them.

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Originally posted by jro45:
I don't shoot Barnes bullets don't like them.

no you must like them...they spend a lot of money on marketing

their ttsx has promise i think though...

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Originally posted by jro45:
I don't shoot Barnes bullets don't like them.

What don't you like about them?

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p.s. since north fork does not make solids over .458" you have a nice niche market.

North Fork makes solids and cup points for the 470. I know this first hand since I have 100 of each right here.

But they don't make them for the 500's.

JPK

Yes I forgot that...they make the best...it was the softs he does not make in 470. I have slammed my hand in the car door repeatedly for this sin. please forgive and forget.

Don't injure your hands Boomie! How will you play your next show with Sting?

SHHHHHHH!

We celebs like to be on the down low...

Your "Part" is in route Boomer!

gumboot

You better drop your 44 idea. It is beyond highly illegal. That is euphemistically called a "cop killer bullet". It falls under to the category of armor (meaning body armor) piercing ammo. Such items can only be sold to the government or exported to approved recipients.

what about solids in 458 socom and 50 beowulf???

Those are rifle rounds. "Armor piercing" refers to bullets "designed and intended for use in a handgun" (their words).

Mike,

Can you post the BATFE regulation or link to - so that guys can see the ruling?

Thanks

soooo solids in a 500 s&w is a nono???

belt mountain makes solids in handgun bullets.

Can you post the BATFE regulation

Definitions: Armor Piercing Ammunition

Projectiles or projectile cores which may be used in a handgun and which are constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combinations of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, copper or depleted uranium; or full jacketed projectiles larger than 22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25% of the total weight of the projectile. The term does not include shotgun shot required for Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, frangible projectiles designed for target shooting, or projectiles which the Director finds are primarily intended to be used for sporting puposes. [ Note, the DIRECTOR decides what is sporting or not, not you. It might be possible to find an assistant that is dumb enough to allow some version of such a projectile but you still have to go through the approval process. If questioned, the onus is on the manufacturer to prove that such a device will a) not defeat body armor or b) can ONLY be used for sporting purposes (good luck on that one)]

Again, armor means body armor as used by police and other agencies.

As far as Barnes mono handgun bullets; it is quite obvious that they are intended to expand and will not defeat body armor. As an aside, don't you think that Barnes would have made a solid for 454 Casull or 475/500 Linebauh, by now, if they were legaly allowed to?

belt mountain makes solids in handgun bullets

I suggest you contact them directly. Sometimes it is best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Excellent work Mike! Thanks.

If you want to make solids for handgun use then you'll need to demonstrate their lack of effectiveness in defeating body armor in common calibers. Which armor at what level and common caliber is pretty subjective and bottom line is that a lead clunker is likely to be more effective on anaimals at lower velocities anyway.

I have seen "opinions" that do not agree with the above but I doubt they will offer to pay for your lawyer fees. I don't want to discourage but just recommend going through the approval process. Some times it is up to the regional director and you will never know what he says unless you ask. One may approve it and another may kick your door down and stick an MP5 in your face. I never saw it being worth the risk. As in (possibly) the BM, it is far more likely to be approved if there is some lead involved somewhere in the design.

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
...Since every one is thinking mono metal solids ,Does anyone know who makes one in .429 cal ,, say 220-250 ish weight ....Something meplated with a crimping groove..???? They are for my wifes 44 special pocked bear head breaker .,.aka Charter 2000 Buldog pug..Thank you... gumboot ..

Gummy, at 44 spec velocities(and w/3" barrel), might as well use good hard cast bullets. Will work the same as the above, and lots cheaper. She will still be shooting a mono metal bullet.

Keith

Like I said.

Water quinched wheel weights are hard ennough to act like solids, in a 44 Spec. or Mag.

Interesting. So getting a solid for one's 444 Marlin is pretty much a non-starter, eh?

Cheers,
Canuck

Shoot it from a lever gun and no problem. Load it in a revolver - you might have a problem. I'd approach this little dichotomy in the same manner as the 16" or longer barrel - butt stock or not is it a rifle or pistol scenario.

So making and marketing them as 444 Marlin bullets would be OK, and if someone was caught using them in a 44 Mag or 44 spec, that would be on them instead of the manufacturer.

Slippery slope no doubt, but might save you from a broken down door and MP5 in your face.

Cheers,
Canuck

I was going to give you the technical out, but never mind................

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

.....WOW ,,, I had no idea I was attempting to open such a can of worms ... Thanks NF Mike for the info and heads up ...I know the bulldog is conscidered kind of a cheap pistol ... But they are all stainless with a pretty good rubber grip and my wife really likes it ...It,s been about 100 % reliable so far ..so it has most 2000 $ 1911 s beat , and it weighs a third less ....

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I was going to give you the technical out, but never mind................

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

What does that mean?

Cheers,
Canuck