Well all of my problems were solved today!!! Got up this morning checked Midway for a 416 barrel, they had one on sale, so I ordered it and dies. then I went to the range. While at the range I was talking to another shooter, he HAD a 338 win. by Kimber scoped, (VZ 24 rebuild) dies, loaded rounds, and brass. all in the right price range. yep I bought it TOO!!!

Thanks

Which one will you carry when you chase moose?

I plan on shooting the pee wee one tomorrow. It will be a while before the 416 gets done. I don't think Midway has even shipped the barrel yet.

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North Fork softs are the best soft points in the universe

rip...glad to see we have are in the same fan club

Kutenay beat me to it. The 30-06! Would also suspect that 2/3 of this thread have never hunted said animal.

Chuck

chuck..the 30-06 is plenty and great esp with 180 nosparts but the taylor has got more style its like showing up to the dance in a limo or a honda...dont get me wrong, i loooooove my 30-06 rem pump carbine but the choice was 338 w.m. or the taylor

I believe that a 416 is unnecessary to lower a moose, besides the cartridge par excellence for the moose is the 338 Win Mag. I think a rifle in caliber 416 will be heavier and less manageable, so I will recommend a 338 Win Mag, also by the setback.

Greetings,

Oscar.

I've only hunted three moose, all mature Shiras bulls. The first two were mine. One had a 40" spread, the other was 50". Both fell to a single 180 gr Nosler Partition from my .30 Gibbs. A friend of mine drew a moose tag near where I live and I took him to a bull that at the time he shot it, it was officially B&C measured as the 4th largest ever shot in Montana. He shot it with his 7mm Rem mag.

IMO you don't need a cannon for moose. Of the choices you asked about, I'd recommend the .338 Win mag.

In my one and only moose experience, I think it died of fright before the 160 gr. NP/7mm Mag hit him. They don't seem too tough and probably most anything will kill them.

Will, you're right, most anything can - my wife and I both used the Win. 94 .30-30AI successfully with 170g. Part.

I've shot my fair share of Alaskan moose and would agree they are easy to kill. They just take awhile to realize they are dead.
I like using big calibers while moose hunting for two reasons.
First, there are times when really deep penetration is needed because often times we do not always get that classic broadside shot we hope for.
Second, moose country usually contains brownies. I do not want to walk back to a carcass and find a griz gnawing on the carcass while carring a small caliber rifle.
The 338 works well, and I would assume the 416 would be better although I have never used one. My rifle of choice for moose is a 375 H&H. Although this year I hope to shoot one with my Chapuis double in 9,3 x 74R or a 458 Lott just for the heck of it.
Smart moove by buying both A man can not have to many big bores.

I have shot something like 12-15 bull moose with the .338WM, and 1 with a .416RM.

All of the moose were dead afterward.

In my opinion, the .338WM is about the ideal moose cartridge. I have to say my favorite bullets are 225gr Nolser Partitions. I stoke mine with 67grs IMR-4350 and get 2800 fps MV. Very flat shooting and plenty of punch.

The only edge a .416 would have is if a bull moose were running straight away from you and you wanted to take the coveted Texas Heart Shot...

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Originally posted by Lightning:
After reading this thread I am sticking with my .416 for elephant. This is silly. A .338 with a 250 gr. bullet for Moose??? Good lord. Do you like overkill and recoil for the hell of it?

How many moose have you shot?

It depends on where you hunt. The main reason I pack a .338WM is I hunt in grizzly country. I also have shot a handful of moose with a .30-06 and while it is certainly adequate for moose, it is not a .338WM. There is quite a step up in performance between the two.

The second reason I carry a .338WM, for moose is because I wasn't convinced the .30-06 was enough in certain situations. You get a really big bull in the wrong position and you might not be able to anchor it with a .30-06.




The last bull I shot with a .30-06. I retired it after this bull and hunted with a .338WM ever since.



Shot this bull with a 400gr Hornady IL from a ZKK-602, in .416RM. Two hundred fifty yard shot.


Here's a few taken with the greatest of all moose cartridges, the .338WM...









My two angels...

I have taken moose with both and the taylor is an incredable moose round.I have used it with the 350gr speer @ 2480fps,inside 250yds I can't think of a better moose round.It is comforting to come back to your kill site the next morning in grizz country with a taylor in your hands. No flies on the 338 though.

Great trophies moose, hopefully someday I can go to hunt something as big or more jajajaja. Congratulations, I have a 338 WM and I love it.

Greetings,

Oscar.

This also works well




475 Linebaugh it is quite definative

Great Moose! Congratulations.

My favorite rifle for North America is a pre-64 M70 built into an all weather rifle (Krieger SS cut-rifle barrel, McMillan stock, NECG iron sights, 3-9x40 Zeiss Conquest, Leupold QR mounts, and Gun-Kote finish). Weight is 8 lbs and a smidge including the sling and ammo.

Has as much to do with the rifle as the chambering I think.

I really like .416 calibers as well. Seem to be just about perfect for DRTs on the biggest critters in North America. My Rigby has served me very will with big and hard to kill animals ... but at over 10.5 pounds it's a bit hefty to wag around.

The Taylor is interesting, but has never excited me a whole lot. Would like something just a little handier and maybe not quite so energetic for anything smaller than Brownies.

I took the opportunity to acquire a 22" #4 contour Douglas barrel chambered in .376/.416 Steyr Improved when it became available. Put it in an FN Commercial action and a Hogue stock. Made custom mounts for the 1.8-5.5 Zeiss Conquest. It weighs 9 pounds with sling and ammo.

Working with powders now to find a good one. Made 2300 fps with a 350 gr Speer Mag-Tip and Win 748 powder but was not grouping well. H335 and BL(C)-2 both yield better groups but I haven't chrono'd them yet. I suspect they are close to that 2300 fps.

My initial impression is that it'll do the job and be very handy. I think it's going to be a great middle ground.

My two cents worth. The majority of moose killed in my neck of the woods is done by Natives, and they use 30-30 Winchesters to shoot them. Not ideal, far from ideal, but heck, it works. As for me, anything from a 270 win or 308 win and up will do the trick. If you wish to shoot your moose with a 577 and know you will have a kill shot, go for it. Its all a question of taste. As for me, its the Queen of all, 375 H&H. She is my only hunting rifle now. I use it for deer, moose... maybe bear this year. Little damage on deer, penetrates like heck on moose, easy to reload, no recoil.

RIP,
I am truly surprised at you. Recommending the .416 instead of our .395 is HERESY!
Now, I have hunted both elk and moose with a .375H&H Mag just for shits and grins. Worked very well, I may add.
Max

What twist rate for moose?

338 is pretty great and I like it alot ., But a 9 lb 416 Taylor is probably better ...Given equal chest shots the 416 is just a faster killer ...

Helps keep them out of a beaver pond ...
.416 350 gr Speer 74 gr IMR 4320 LRMag primer equals 2450 fps ....Easy to shoot ... Great killer ..

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Originally posted by prof242:
RIP,
I am truly surprised at you. Recommending the .416 instead of our .395 is HERESY!
Now, I have hunted both elk and moose with a .375H&H Mag just for shits and grins. Worked very well, I may add.
Max

surestrike,
.395 TWIST rate for moose bullets is 1:12"
and that would be best for a .416 Taylor too.

Max,
That had to be long ago. Old thread.
I would definitely prefer the .395 Ruger Max over a .416 Taylor for elk. Especially after your elk hunt with the .395/310-grain SHark VeloHEX.

We are a very ELITE CLUB, the .395 Family.

I'm not surprised the native around you use the 30-30 Win. and as a matter of fact its a great short range cartridge for moose or elk..

One thing I am sure of and that is a moose dies when he wants to die, not a minute before..I recall one moose I shot in the heart/lung area with a 375 IMP. and a 300 gr. BX bullet at 2650 plus FPS...He took the shot, continued to eat, then knelt on his knees and continued to graze, then on his stomach, still grazing and head up..and then calmly streatched out and died...
Internal damage was massive and the exit hole was the size of a 50 cent piece.

I shot one with a 30-30 he turned and looked at me for 5 minutes and flopped over..

They obviously have a very high pain threshold. and void of a nervous system!

Good lord, does it never end?

The first moose I ever shot (Fred Flintstone helped me skin it, as I recall) was with a 99 Savage .308 that I borrowed from an uncle...the next whole-damn-bunch were with a .30-06, and since then I've shot them with everything from a .22 WMR to a .338.

They all died just fine, each about as fast as any other, and most of them tasted pretty good.

Just take your favorite rifle, the one you really like to shoot and that you shoot really well, and go moose hunting. Believe me, it isn't the rifle or the caliber that makes the hunter.

I can give you a couple of tips though. First off, make sure the first shot counts. A wounded moose can go one helluva long ways once it gets up a head of steam. Secondly, if they get riled up they can stink like hell and be pretty tough chewing once you do get them. I think that's were the 'wild meat taste' thing comes from - maybe it's them getting all loaded up with adrenaline or something. Like my old Dad used to say, they taste best if they die before they know they've been shot.

That's why it's better if a guy uses a .22 Hornet that he shoots so well that he can tuck one right behind the mooses ear, rather than a young cannon that he blasts chunks off the moose with for half an hour. Unless you just want dog feed, then it doesnt matter as much I guess.

Worry about the shooting - not the caliber or the bullet weight or the scope or any of that crap. Just get down wind and sneak up on 'em and drop 'em in their tracks. Then you'll be a moose hunter, instead of a tourist with a shiny gun.

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Originally posted by DLH4570:
Please humor me;
Givin the choice for a moose hunt, A 338 Win. mag, or a 416 taylor. witch would you take?
I have gun to hunt deer and antelope, bou & bear (blackies) but need to build some thing bigger (on A mauser action) . What do you guys like???
Both will fit on the chosen action.

Thanks
DLH

Gee, why there two? Are them mooses gona be really far away, or....? How about .35 Whelen or 9,3x62?

Do we really need to ask this question for goodness sakes? It has to be just to stir up $hit.

When I decided to go Moose hunting I had a .308 and a .300 Winny. Either would have been OK for Moose, but I used the hunt to get something larger and I was hunting in Grizz country and felt a little more bullet was wise. I got a .340 Wby and killed my Moose with a 250 grain Nosler Combined Tech bullet at 2900 fps. I shot him where the neck adjoins the shoulder and his nose hit the ground before his belly and the deal was done. I still use the .340 for Elk and Deer and will give it to a grandson someday. Anything I take game with has a permenant home in one my safes. Good shooting.

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Worry about the shooting - not the caliber or the bullet weight or the scope or any of that crap. Just get down wind and sneak up on 'em and drop 'em in their tracks. Then you'll be a moose hunter, instead of a tourist with a shiny gun.

Well said and spot on!!

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
Do we dare compare this to the 270 for moose? thread on the Medium Bore forum?

I have never hunted moose, so I'll stay out of this.

I'll get my flame suit on first Moose are a LOT easier to kill then elk and I've killed a number of elk cleanly with my .270. Either cartridege would be more than enough,

If we're stirring the pot, how about the 416 Ruger?

Both will work equally great; take the one that makes you the happiest. Personally, I like the 375 H&H, but anything from 270 and up will work. Lou

I've used both on Moose on several occasions, and like them both.
But my Taylor has become my favourite. I use a 340 grs Woodleigh. Minor meat damage, and drops dead in the track.
My 338 WinMag was also nice, but I rebarreled it to 338 RUM. That is also a moose-killer, and it hits hard on longer ranges.

So Tumbleweed, your one of those guys that belives that good shooting makes up for lack of caliber!! you won't be popular long with an attitude like that!

Guess I have to agree but don't tell the big bore guys. My 25-35 works very well indeed on elk so it probably would work on Moose using your standard.

I would take my 338 Ultra shooting 250gr bullets

no questions asked.

For Moose a 6,5x55 Mauser do even work. It may take a longer stroll but it will for sure die. A 338 Win is brilliant.
I have a .416 Rem at it will do to, but of course as one other dude told - "Show me a 9000 lbs moose!!!".

I will use my .416 for anything, but for me to recommend it to others is stupid.