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I know the old stuff about how magical the 375 is in throwing all 3 (original) bullet weights to same POI at 100 yds. It's not a great feat to get 270's and 300's close enough but i've never gotten the 235's any nearer that 4" and usually a lot further. anybody ever have any luck getting 235's and 270's same poi? Roger | ||
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I don't understand why you would shoot a 225g bullet in a 375 H&H. I just shoot 300g A-Frames sight it in 2 1/2" hight at 100 yards. It's dead on at 25 and 200 yards and less then a foot low at 300 yards. Sorry not to answer your question Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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There are people who like to use the lighter bullets for plains game, and the 235 in particular for leopard. Which is just a falasy from reading funny books. I have been using 375 caliber rifles, of various shames, for so many years. Never used anything but 300 grains. Saves one all the headache of this. And all the silly reports of hard bullets like the Barnes X and others, being unsuitable for leopard and lion is just plain bullshit. Probably started by Art Alpin, who made what he called LION LOADS with very soft bullets that break up on contact! I would never touch them. | |||
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Good question. H&H says no problem. But I don’t know the answer as I prefer 272 grain Hirtenberger ABC expanding bullets and 300 grain Barnes Banded Solids (the ones with the flat noses) for everything shootable with a .375. I have a lot of such bullets but might run out as neither is made anymore. But even so I don’t think I’ll ever go as light as 235 grains in the .375. Don’t see the need. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Like Saeed, I only use 300 grain bullets for everything-from the smallest of duikers (solids) to the largest that roam the African Continent and everything in between.  | |||
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Simple minded people always think alike!  One of my favorite motto is KISS! Keep it simple STUPID!  | |||
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sorry, i wasn't asking about what bullet weight i should use. H&H - at least pretty well documented - claimed all 3 weights shot to same POI at 100 yards. I just wanted to know if anybody had actually accomplished that with handloads. it was an academic question. forget it. | |||
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Impossible, in every rifle. A few might get them close, most will not. | |||
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As far as printing the three bullet weights the same. I don't know but I just went through the exercise with a Barnes 300gr TSX and a Barnes 300gr Banded Solid The TSX was dead on but the Solid was 3 to 4in left and 2 in. high. I reload and did bring it in to about an inch. I then found out the guy I was hunting with this year that they don't even stagger soft, solid, etc. All I did was burn up my powder and a couple hundred dollars worth of bullets. They just use premium bullets, Barnes, Swift. I totally agree with Saaed about the one bullet (300 gr Barnes) and call it good. I don't knpow anything about the bullets you propose and they might be fine but I have quite a bit of history with the Barnes and know what they do for me. Also, When I do Africa I take two rifles, one for smaller and one for Dangerous Game. If I just took one and was the 375 300 gr. only. Zim 2006 Zim 2007 Namibia 2013 Brown Bear Togiak Nat'l Refuge Sep 2010 Argentina 2019 RSA 2023 Tanzania 2024 SCI Life Member USMC | |||
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I tried it with two different 375s. 235s were not even close. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I agree, but of course I like the 270g..... | |||
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Being an academic question is no barrier to getting a lot of replies on AR! My experience is that I can get a Nosler Partition 260 gr factory load, CEB 275 gr Raptor handloads and 300 gr CEB solid handloads to shoot "about" to the same point in my Whitworth 375 H&H. The three loads are as follows:
The handloads were developed with a rough ladder, with 1.5-2.0 gr increments, noting both group size and point of impact. The best groups, which were also close in POI, were 1.5-1.6 grains below maximum, according to the reloading data I was using. Which of course, was not actually for CEB bullets! The 235 grain loads I've used before are on the order of 6"-8" different POI compared to the above loads. These were generally light practice loads,2200-2300 FPS, though I did kill a deer with one. But I suppose the academic question is whether there is a 235 grain load that would be much closer in POI. Perhaps at a much higher muzzle velocity? For my last safari, I considered trying to use a 235 grain load on leopard (if it shot close enough to the other loads), but I never got that far and just used the 275 gr Raptor on the leopard. It worked and I have no regrets! Leopard, Hippo, Croc - Zambezi Valley, Zimbabwe, 2024 Reindeer & Geese, Iceland, 2023 Plains Game, Eastern Cape, 2023 Buff - Zambezi Valley, Zimbabwe, 2022 Muskox-Greenland, 2020 Roe buck and muntjac in England, 2019 Unkomaas Valley, RSA, 2019 Kaokoland, Namibia, 2017 Wild boar hunting in Sweden, 2016 Moose hunting in Sweden, 2014 How to post photos on AR | |||
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The 375 is just like any other rifle and is not prone to shoot different bullets to the same POI anymore so than any other caliber, some few do and most dont.. I only shot 300 gr. or 350 gr. and had to resight to do so..Woodleighs worked best in my guns. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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