What's the best way to go about it? I have a spare 1903 action that's already been sporterized and has even had a bit of feed work (in its previous life it was a 35 brown whelen). Should I use this, or should I find a mauser of some sort? This is purely from a funtional standpoint, not a american action/american cartridge or euro/euro type thing.
Saying that, I DO want some European touches, like possibly a mannlicher style full stock (schnabel forend of course!) But no butter knife handle. Now if I go with the FS idea, what's going to be my best bet for barrel taper and contour? I am even thinking to add some DG type stuff to it, like maybe a quarter rib and express sights, barrel band if I don't do the FS, hooded front sight.....just some neat stuff IMO. Looking for a 19-21" barrel too, if that makes a difference on the stock style.

Return it to its 35 Whelen glory!
Or since this is big bores a 400 Whelen with a 458 diameter shoulder like the original.
Carry on

MHS
I built a 400/375 belted Nitro on a 1936 mex action. I stocked it along the lines of a british stalking rifle, barrel band, ect ect. I think it's similar to what you are thinking. I love the little rifle, and as the 9.5x57 is the same thing, I think you'll be delighted too.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Return it to its 35 Whelen glory!
Or since this is big bores a 400 Whelen with a 458 diameter shoulder like the original.
Carry on

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Return it to its 35 Whelen glory!
Or since this is big bores a 400 Whelen with a 458 diameter shoulder like the original.
Carry on

I agree. I shoot a 400PDK it is my own wildcat based on 06 cylinder brass. I have more capacity that a 400 Whelen but the Whelen would kill anything mine would. 300gr hornadys for less than $20/50 sure would handle just about anyting in North America.

Based on what I found a MKX action handles my case up to 375 with no action work. Too Manytools had to open the rails some to perfect feeding with a 411 caliber. Feeds like $hit through a goose.

My 400 sits on either side of a 357Whelen in this picture. My shoulder is .458" So a 400W would be my case with the shoulder at the point of the 375W. Even with the 400gr bullet in the cannelure the case fits a normal 3.4 Mag box.

The whelens are cool (and the pdk!) But I'm really wanting to go with the 9.5x57. I don't have any real old school classics, this is the only one that really piques my interest

A classic mauser cart deserves the classic mauser action.

The 9.5x57 is a cool ass cart that I have posted on before.

If you were to use that action I would say do a 375 Whelen to get 300 @ 2400 if desired

The 9.5x57 MS with modern powder should be the bees knees.
it is celebrating it's 100 year aniversary in a few months.
That should best the 358 Win and be a nice stalking gun.

Milehigh shooter-

nice to see i'm not alone in being a mauser fanatic!

I do have a question... what is the difference between a 9.5x57 and a 9.3x57? I have a 9.3x57, i was just wondering. thanks!

Here is the 9,3x57 Above is the 9,5x57

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Originally posted by byf42:
Milehigh shooter-

nice to see i'm not alone in being a mauser fanatic!

I do have a question... what is the difference between a 9.5x57 and a 9.3x57? I have a 9.3x57, i was just wondering. thanks!

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I do have a question... what is the difference between a 9.5x57 and a 9.3x57

Converting those numbers to inches I get a 1.805" base to shoulder for the 9.3 and 1.811 for the 9.5. Shoulder dia for the 9.5 .453 vs .432 for the 9.3. Major difference is .375 instead of .366.

What ramrod said, .366x57 vs .375x57. No fleas on the 9.3 version either....but I like the large selection of 375 bullets!

Boom,
I am kinda feeling the same way about using a mauser, and IF I can find one I'll pick it up. As it sits, I haven't found any good deals, and I already have a 1903 *shrug* besides, the 1903 is just an Americanized copy of the Mauser anyways lol. But, I am keeping an eye out for a candidate mauser action

then build it!
i did this on a mexican mauser, in 358 win

Actually the main difference between the 9,3x57 and the 9,5x57 _is_ the shoulder diameter. The 9,3 version has a tapered body pretty much like the rest of the 8x57 family of cartridges; the 9,5 has almost no taper in the case body at all.

Seeing them side by side the difference is very obvious - the 9,5x57 looks like an "improved" case.

Jeffe,

Is the mexican a small ring?

yes, the mex is a smallring, and makes into a very trim little rig!

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Originally posted by MileHighShooter:
Jeffe,

Is the mexican a small ring?

You can also buy one of the 9.3x57 Swedish '96 commercial rifles (small ring) and do a simple rebarrel. They come in '98 versions too but the '96 is plenty enough action for the 9.5 and very svelt like the Mex. And already to feed the 9.3 or 9.5 like greased goose sh@t.

Mostly, you get a whole functional rifle for the price of a bare Mex action.

I have a 9.3x57 and have found a gentleman in Wi. that makes some stellar cast lead GC's. A great 150 yard rifle. A much better cartridge would be a
9.3x62. You would never be under gunned. The one bullet to stay away from(except for punching paper) is the Speer 270gr, it is ok for Whitetail. It tends to fragment on larger game. Nosler 250gr or Hornady 286gr are awesome bullets for any game.

Thanks guys! Now with a small ring (I'm not a "mauser" guy...yet) I am limited on the pressures, correct? I looked on GB and found quite a few mexicans, didn't look for 96's, but plenty of other small rings too. However, seems like I found more 98's for better prices, and a lot already sporterized. Am I better off with an 8x57 pressure wise? I'm not trying to make the 9.5 into something its not by hot rodding a 100 year old cartridge lol I just want to make sure I have plenty of flexibility in loading it.

Ps you guys rock lol my other shooting board people are like "what's a 9.5x57? Just get an ought six, itsall' you'll ever neeed"

Either a '96 or '98 small or large ring will work fine.

Data I have list max pressure for the 9.5 as 44,225psi. If you load anywhere close to that a good small ring should be fine.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
Data I have list max pressure for the 9.5 as 44,225psi. If you load anywhere close to that a good small ring should be fine.

Using say 30-06 brass or 257 Roberts brass why not go to 60K psi?

I'm kind of curious about that myself boom. Especially if it was on a large ring. I mean...its not needed, but it would be nice to know if its possible. That would put it right along side the 376 steyr, would it not?

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I'm kind of curious about that myself boom. Especially if it was on a large ring. I mean...its not needed, but it would be nice to know if its possible. That would put it right along side the 376 steyr, would it not

If you have a large ring or modern bolt action and use modern brass there is no reason not to puch 60,000. I wouldn't do it on most of the small rings nor old brass. What I've found is a lot of that old brass (at least my 7x57) I've cut apart was thinner in the web than my new.

As to matching the Steyr I would bet a 9.5 case capacity to be more in the 70gr range vs a Steyr of 77.1grs Maybe someone has one to measure I don't. Steyr is loaded to 62375. If you call within 100fps of the steyr then yes you should get close.

Running Loadtech at 70gr and 44,225 (it won't allow me to exceed it) then I get about 300fps slower with the same bullet.

Thanks paul!

Now that I think about it, I don't think it would get all that close. 70gr seems a bit high, considering the steyr has a wider case and IIRC a slightly longer wider case too

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Now that I think about it, I don't think it would get all that close. 70gr seems a bit high

Well it was for sure only a guess. But somewhat educated.

I show a 9.3x57 case as 64.3 and you gain about 4grs taking a 7x57 case to AI basically what the 9.5 case is. That make it 68.3 add a couple for .375 vs .366. But that then assumes that what Loadtech has for the 9.3 is correct. Which I would not put any $$ on.

The 30-06 has 69 grains so that would suprise me.
Please do a 375-06 it and be happy!
Get a mauser for the 9,5x57

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But that then assumes that what Loadtech has for the 9.3 is correct.

Probably more a case of usually crappy data in Loadtech.

They show:

7x57 as 57.3
8x57 65.4
9.3x57 64.3

So based on that great data I have no frigin clue.

Here is what a couple 9.3x57's look like (1932 & 1943). I'm adding some smaller Swedes for Sh!ts and giggles!

1932 9.3x57

1943 9.3x57

1955 8x57(1947 FN commercail Receiver)

1962 6.5x55

A group pic of others on left


Swedes are hands down the best!!

those are some great looking rifles! I like the shorter Euro style short stocks. The way I'm most comfortable holding a rifle, these type of stocks fit me best.

Maybe this is a good starting point.

http://www.fritidvildmarksliv....qvarna_640_9752.html

price is about 75$

i just sold a 1909 and .35 whelen barrel that i was going to build a 9.5x57 on. i was going to have the whelen barrel shouldered back to 57mm. case dimensions. i really like anything built on the 57mm. case...it works so well with just about any bore dia. and bullet weight and puts plenty of powder behind the ball.

Jpat,

Pardon the hijack but...
I have a rifle like the one you're showing in the third picture down in your post above (though it's in 6.5). However, my rifle only has ther side mount base, not the whole rig that I see in your rifle. Any idea's where I might find find the rest of that set up, or at least where I might start looking?

Thanks

I was at the St Louis Cabelas yesterday. They have a half dozen or so of the Husqvarna commercialized 9.3x57 rifles exactly like the above photos show. They were asking $500. Just an FYI in case anyone local was interested and wanted to see if they would haggle.

These were all small ring mausers but they also had a 22-250 from a large ring Swede I hadn't seen before.

DanM (my intials too!)

thanks for the heads up, wish I was closer to a Cabelas!

If you have a C&R, I think Simpsons Ltd. or Allen's Armory would be the way to go for one of these. Stock changes regularly though, so it’s hit and miss.

Ronn

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Originally posted by MileHighShooter:
What's the best way to go about it? I have a spare 1903 action that's already been sporterized and has even had a bit of feed work (in its previous life it was a 35 brown whelen). Should I use this, or should I find a mauser of some sort? This is purely from a funtional standpoint, not a american action/american cartridge or euro/euro type thing.
Saying that, I DO want some European touches, like possibly a mannlicher style full stock (schnabel forend of course!) But no butter knife handle. Now if I go with the FS idea, what's going to be my best bet for barrel taper and contour? I am even thinking to add some DG type stuff to it, like maybe a quarter rib and express sights, barrel band if I don't do the FS, hooded front sight.....just some neat stuff IMO. Looking for a 19-21" barrel too, if that makes a difference on the stock style.

Going back to the original post, I would suggest that the objective is to use the 1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer action. I have 3 MS rifles - two of them are 1903 in 6.5X54MS & one is a 1910 take down in 9.5X57MS. They are fantastic rifles to shoot and they have the nostalgia of the classic "gentleman's rifle".

To rebarrel the 1903 to a 9.5X57 MS is easy. But you will also need to make a new rotary spindle that fits the 9.5MS case correctly. The old spindle will not work on a new case as each spindle was hand made to fit the respective chambered case. Frank de Hass's book on bolt action rifles clearly explains this issue with the MS action & magazine.

Here is my Takedown 9.5MS with a replacement stock that needs a professional restocking.

My 1903 original sporter


My 1903 Greek Carbine with my restocking effort


You can also add a redfield type mounts that I have on the carbine. I got it off a guy in the US who makes them on a CNC machine.

Good luck on your project. I'll be watching for updates.

Very interesting Nakih.....I also have a 1910MS takedown in 9,5x57MS....do you reload for it..?

Any idea who can supply dies for this cartridge...?

I also have a 1903 in 6,5x54MS made by Charles Lanchaster in 1906, in the original case, very handy rifle...

Try huntingtons for dies. I know they have the case forming dies to turn 30-06 and 8x57 brass into 9.5x57...I THINK they have 9.5x57 FL dies as well from RCBS, they're one of the more expensive die groups though, I want to say a bit over 100$

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Originally posted by Pondoro:
Very interesting Nakih.....I also have a 1910MS takedown in 9,5x57MS....do you reload for it..?

Any idea who can supply dies for this cartridge...?

I also have a 1903 in 6,5x54MS made by Charles Lanchaster in 1906, in the original case, very handy rifle...

I got my dies from http://www.ch4d.com/ who are reasonable. I also got some cases from Buffalo Arms which were reformed 35 Whelan Remington brass. I now have the case dimensions for the 9.3X57 as well and the shoulder length is exactly the same. So I should be able to fire form that brass. Norma 9.3X57 brass is available. Horneber 9.5MS brass is available but very pricy.

Yes Pondoro the English firms retailed the MS rifle with their name on it but stamped "NOT ENGLISH MADE". My 1910 is a similar pedigree with a case for the take down!

Good luck.