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I assume it is, that's why I ordered them. I'll find out when they arrive. Jim | |||
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I received the brass today. I don't know how the brass will perform but I'm impressed with the packaging. Clink on picture to enlarge.   Jim | |||
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Just slightly longer than the Norma otherwise the same. The Norma seems to be more consistent. OAL: Norma = 2.835, Peterson = 2.860 Here are three of each. Click on the picture to enlarge.  Jim | |||
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The Hornady Basic brass is also 2.480 out of the box. When sized to 404-375 it measures 2.903 +.005 | |||
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Have a .404 AND a .375 H&H. Different in many ways and both have their place. Surely someone has put together a .404 necked to .375... Don Allen, maybe? | |||
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I am pretty sure that is what Saeed shoots a 375-404. Which is very similar to a 375 RUM as I understand it. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The cartridge nomenclature around the 404-375 or 375-404 is a bit confusing. Saeed shoots a 404 case necked to 375 which under the nomenclature used for the old British cartridges e.g. 450/400 3", would be called a 404-375. Not sure what Saeed calls it. A 375 case opened up to 404 would be a 375-404, the parent case first then child or resized bore, up or down, then the case length if there are more than one lengths e.g. 450/400 3 1/4". There is no 'correct' way but would be less confusing if following the nomenclature that has traditionally been used for African/Indian big bores. | |||
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Except that American wildcats I think tend to put bullet then case: 7-08, 6mm-06, 338-06, 30-378, 7-30 waters, etc. | |||
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I'm with Baxter on this, perhaps this is an American thing. As an example I am pretty familiar with the 6.5x280 AI, 6.5-06, 6.5 ASP, 6.5X30 Degree RCBS, 6.5-270 Win. These are just a few of the wildcats I have messed with and or engraved these designations on the barrel shank. If one of these 404-375 H&H's is ever sold onto the open market and eventually one will be, the buyer could look at the bore diameter at the muzzle and notice Hmmm!!! looks larger than 375 caliber maybe it is 404 or .423 "says 375 H&H behind the 404 on the caliber designation, maybe it's made on a necked up 375 H&H ?" The new owner could even fire a standard 375 H&H in the chamber in confusion and not wreck the rifle or themselves. Like the Lott this round head-spaces on the belt and the 375 bullet would rattle down the bore to key hole into the target. Oh I can hear the nay sayers howl about belts, me I have zero problems with belts, I even wear one. A 404 Jeffery, 400 H&H, 416 Remington/Ruger,Hoffman or Tayler could never be completely chambered, so there's no chance for a fuck up here. This line of thought was by design. Chief Inspector Clouseau would even be able to eventually ferret out the pedigree. Coupled with the Google and proper head stamped brass and perhaps the dies being sold with the rifle a lot of the confusion would be brief. Just saying | |||
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Bingo! D’Arcy is spot on and wise. The simplicity is part of the brilliance. I went with the Merrica designation. We also dubbed this the “Poor mans Jeffery” so you could call it the 404 PMJ  The thoughts of ease of conversion from a rebored 375 makes it easy to add a 404- before the 375hh for the barrel stamp.
577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Well muskets seem to have first emerged in the Ottoman Empire so might vote is Turkish designations. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The more I think about it, it’s a European thing too. 9.3 x 62/64, 7 x 64, 7 x57, etc etc, all do bullet before case. However, four-fifty - four hundred or five-hundred, four-sixty-five have a way of rolling off the tongue…;-) | |||
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Ha! That made me snort. I was going to do a 10.75x68 instead, but that project went away. I DO have a couple good actions, and plenty of 375 brass now. Its always on the back of my mind. I'm likely buying a 404J this week, and honestly the other medium big bores tempting me lately are the 404-410 that dcpd does and the 411 kdf. I sold my .423 bullets and of course a week later I get a call back about an estate that has a 404. Might just have to build one. Unfortunately D'arcy, I can't afford your work haha! I need to pm you though, I found some letters in the estate to you from quite a while ago, this gentleman had some of your work, figured you'd like to see the letters for a little nostalgia If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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