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O K ,,, Now not to side with ISS and his despise for the 375 Ruger ,,, and not to detract from the excellence of the rifle and round .. But in studying the loading data . it appears it will do nothing velocity wise that the 9.3x64 B basically won,t and the 9.3x64 will do it with 10 grains less powder .... For that matter the 358 Norma has been getting 2600 fps with a 300 gr bullet for a long time while the factory loads for my 375 Ruger Alaskan are only averaging 2515,,,with the solids .........and about 2675 with the 270 gr factory soft .... So like the 338 RUM ,what is the answer,,????? A longer barrel ? .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | ||
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You are right of course but I can buy an off the shelf Ruger and components or factory ammo. | |||
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the ruger isn't a beneke, it's larger. the ruger IS LARGER IN CAPACITY than the HH, period jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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But it,s not going substantially faster ? It,s like the 338 RUM compared to the 340 Whby .. Perhaps the 395-423 versions are going to be able to make use of the increased powder capacity ?? .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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It's ok, you can side with me. There is nothing really wrong with the 375R, it just isn't a good excuse to trade my 375H&H in on one. Besides, I HAVE a 375 Ackley and it does outrun the rugger.  Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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.. The 375 Ruger doesn,t do anything the 375 Taylor won,t do .........That being said it is still a great combo, I just don,t want to burn 10 grains more powder to get the velocity I can from my Brenneke or a 358 Norma .....Maybe I,ll see how it likes H4895 ........... I do wonder how fast it will go in a 26" barrel .. .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I'm not a reloader so this question really is sincere: What does it matter if you use 10 grains more powder? What's the big deal? -+-+- "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - The Dalai Lama | |||
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It's a mental thing. Rich people paying out money for a rifle they don't need, hopefully shafting the seller a few bucks along the way, Get a good deal on brass, and feel robbed if the velosity is down slightly, and feel robbed if it needs a few extra grains of cheap powder. However spending a few extra grand to custom it is alright.  | |||
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....10 grain adds a bit to the recoil , but it also is more heat , and noise and expense .... By staying with the faster powders like H4895 I can get it down to 5 gr more powder ........It,s really a moot point if you don,t hand load ........ I really like my 375 Ruger , It seems to be everything I hoped it would be ...Could use a better stock for me but the masses will probably like it just the way it is ....... I had to make a new rear sight for mine as it was very low with the factory ammo .. I will have a 2nd recoil lug dovetailed into the barrel and see if MPI can build me a stock shaped just like the one on my CZ 550 ...Get a front sight hood and a split barrel band sling eye.......And hunt with and pack it around for the rest of my life .... But I,ll use my 9.3x64 more ...... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I am not buying the "will do everything larger cases do with less powder" Forget "loading data". Case capsity is case capasity. With the right powder, bigger volume gives more velocity. What is enough, ample and useful, is an entierly different story. Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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Agreed but I think it takes more barrel length in this case .... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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And i just bought 100 peices of RWS 9.3x64 brass...  ...now i just need dies and a rifle...  " If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand which feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countryman " Samuel Adams, 1772 | |||
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Forget loading data and adverticing. Forget the propaganda. Think physics. .375 Ruger, .375 H&H. Close to identical case volume, and one gives more than the other with 4" less barrel? Telling us both are loaded to its fully potential? I like both cartridges, but this mumbojumbo propaganda has given the Ruger round a sour taste......... Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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Is the Ruger .375 loaded to dangerous high pressures in order to reach the advertised velocities? Ganyana, Has it been tested in the Zambezi valley in October?? | |||
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Well, I have a brand new set of RCBS dies around here someplace that I'm probably never going to use...maybe you should PM me.  | |||
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RIch said it beest there's no replacement for displacement. And the ruger beats the HH in that department.. and its shorter Anything past that is debating opinions, not facts.. and, well, opinions vary opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Absolutely true. And I would expand upon your example here by saying that there are just a whole passel of cartridges that are around 75-100 years old that can perform as well as many of the Johnny-come-lately's, if the old-timers are used in strong. modern weapons and with current propellants..... "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Jeff: The difference in case capacity between the.375 Ruger and the .375 H&H isn't enough to make any practical difference is it? If case capacity is indeed the basis for your selection, wouldn't you be better off with a .375 Remington Ulra Mag or perhaps your .375 AR? Why not go all the way to a .378 Weatherby? In addition, is there any real difference for the hunter between a 30-06 length action and a .375 H&H length action? Gumboot and El Deguello are right. When we already had the .375 H&H as well as the 9.3X62 and 9.3X64 both of which will work in a 30-06 length action, the .375 Ruger is an answer to a question nobody asked. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Dave, the 9,3x64 is "almost" a 375 HH, which mean NEARLY, but not quite. The 9,3x64 fits in a standard 30-06 length action. The 375 HH DOES NOT, without cutting it. Your point, previously, was that you thought it was a bad idea to go cutting up 30-06 length actions. The 375 ruger, which has a LARGER capacity than a 375 HH, and DOES fit in a 375 length action obviates, from an engineering basis, the NEED (not desire or opinion) for a 375 HH. You are really kind clouding the issue with the 9,3s .. they aren't .375 nor perform like them... CLOSE to them, but not the same. the 375HH, loaded to the same pressure as a 375 ruger, is CLOSE, but not EQUAL to the same performance. let me say this another way. The powders of old worked in the 375HH, 404 jeffe, and 500 jeffe... why bother with new powders to drive the pressure down? don't be a ludite, plese. The 375 ruger is a superior round, from an engineering perspective. But to try and say the 375 HH is somehow BETTER because it is older is akin to those fellas that think a 196X or 197X car was superior to the cars on the road today. Yes, those cars were fast.. but by today's standards, most performed like MINIVANS of today. No FACTORY car could compete with the same position car today.. not a chance of it. Cant' turn, stop, accelerate, or protect the passengers as well as the cars of today. Does that mean we should all be driving 1969 camaros, rather than 2008 jags? (or even most econobox) and give up AC, cruise control, rear wheel (driving wheel) horsepower, vs flywheel HP, brakes, and turning? The 375 HH is a cool round, no doubt. It's also nearly 100 years old. If you REALLY want to compare the 375HH to the 375 ruger, limit yourself to ONLY the powders available the day that each was available. No powders after say 1914 for the 375HH and none since 2007 for the Ruger... there's no comparison, right? OF COURSE NOT... so, the 375 HH, if loaded with modern powders, using modern techinques and pressure, is NEARLY as good a round as the 375 ruger.. NEARLY... but not quite... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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exactly ... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Huh? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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.......What I have been hopeing to toll up here is someone who put a 26" barrel on their 375 Ruger and chronographed it ..... There are good benefits to the 375 Ruger .. ,Plentiful reloading components ,,, Very useful ballistics ....Compact size......Built Ruger Tough  .,., So I see it as a very important addition the the inventory ....One should be in every ones battery ........I was just appalled [ maybe appalled is too strong a word in this case ] ,,,,  when on studying the data 2900 fps plus wasn,t attainable with a 250 gr bullet ..... And my chronograph didn,t show 2725 fps with factory 270 gr ammo ....It probably will with the African model ...........People say 50 or 75 fps doesn,t matter , maybe , but I would rather have it than not ...........  .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Gumboot, You need to get a full time job, you have way too much time on your hands!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Glad to see some fun going on here gumboot... If you want to stir the $#!t just dig up some old pissing threads for some fun....there are always new members here who have not seen the depravity of some of our best threads. Sadly some of the best are closed. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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But you know, talking of todays modern powders and bullets.... A .375 270 grs slug at 2500 fps, from the .375 Whelen! 300's at 2350 fps. Or, since expanding bullets are the most used bullets in a .375 today, what about the 250 grs Barnes X at 2600 fps? Anyone thinks this one would do a worse job that the 270 softpoints at 2650 fps in the .375 H&H of Taylors days? Dead on at 200 yards, it is roughly 2," high at 100 and 9" low at 300 yards, just as the .30-06 with 180's. Same length, cheaper brass, larger magazine capasity, lower recoil, etc.etc.etc....... Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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Just my 2 pennies but the bazillion animals that the H&H has killed over the past 90 years havent seemed to mind a longer case with less volume and 4in more barrel. | |||
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Bent: I think it would be really hard to generate those velocities in a .35 Whelen at sane pressures. However, I agree with your thinking. Twenty five hundred with a 250 grain bullet is doable in the Whelen and I can easily get 2525 in my 9.3X62 with a 250 TSX. I'd bet it would perform just as well as a .375 at practical hunting ranges and I plan to test this theory on a Nilgi or a bison as soon as I can. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Sorry Bent, I misread your post a bit. I am not familiar with a ".375 Whelen." Why not just go with a 9.3X62 or 9.3X64? Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Because we were discussing the .375 calibre. The .375 Whelen is the .35 Whelen opened up to .375. For show;  Far left, the faboulus .375 FGC.  Then the .375 H&H, .375 Ruger, .375 Whelen. 9,3x64, 9,3x62 Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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Hey Bent ;; perhaps I have been on some other planet but what is the 375FGC ?? .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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It seems that we have a shortage of long barreled 375 rugers. But with all the 375 H&H's out there we should have some data on a short barrel H&H. When I had an H&H it had a 20" barrel. 250gr @ 2800fps. or just a bit more. I can't remember any more. I shot a bear with it with a 285 grand slam. I remember that my chrony speeds were all a bit slower than what everyone else was getting with 24" bbls, but I knew why and I liked the feel of the gun with the short tube. A hundred feet per second with a 270gr bullet was nothing on a bear within a hundred yards anyway. When they built the Ruger I figured it was the same idea as my old H&H but new with the shorter action. I think the Alaskan is built right. If you want full speed get a RUM or better yet a Weatherby and really crank em out. But for a portable gun that is just handy to carry and will kill whatever you point it at the Ruger is right on target. WOODY Everyone is allowed an opinion, even if its wrong. | |||
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Well said. | |||
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What you say is correct. The advantage is still with the 375H&H when it comes to hunting in places where you can't run down to the local Cabalas and get 375 ruger. You can always find 375H&H. The cartridge is a great marketing tool to sell more rifles for ruger. I place it in the same catagorey as all the other short fat cartridges that have been introduced in the last few years that answer a question that wasn’t asked. I am not saying it isn’t fun to play with the new toys but keep things in perspective. Bill Member DSC,DRSS,NRA,TSRA A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -Mark Twain There ought to be one day - just one – when there is open season on Congressmen. ~Will Rogers~ | |||
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I am afraid there is only one side to that issue.  | |||
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..........Let me reinterate that I really like the rifle and round ... I was just expecting more speed from the 250 gr bullet ........I guess I will know for sure when I start loading for it .....You can get 375 Ruger ammo @ Fred Meyer , Walmart , and most any other place up here I can think of south of the Brooks Range ... ... .,True 338 win mag and 375 H&H are more common ,,, but it is common enough to have a box of bullets available for when you arrive in the Great Land for your moose hunt ect .. .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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That is my .375 Fossdal Gunsmithing Cartridge. Made from 9,3x74R brass, it has the exact neck/shoulder/body diameter as the .375 Whelen, but is 2.800" long. It is also necked down to .338 and .300, made for the long Rem 700 action. They will duplicate the 2,5" belted counterparts, .30-338, .338 Win and .375 Taylor. Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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You could make the case, sorry about the pun that all cartridges required were designed / offered by the mid 1920s.Examples which spring to mind: .250 - 3000 Savage (1918??) .30-06 (1906) 8x64S (1912) 9.3x62 (1906) & 9.3x64 (1926?) The various Newton cartridges - but especially .300, .350 (1910 - 1918?) .375H&H (1912) .404 / 10.75x73 (1910?) But then again, shooting conditions have changed. In Africa there is less shooting in wide open spaces and more thorn scrub hunting as the animals become more wary. And less numerous. With the .350 Newton and the 9.3x64, was there really a need for the .338 Win Mag? With .30-06, did we need the 7x64 or .270 Win? The 8x64S pretty much pre-empted the .333 OKH and .338-06, and I have the latter. The .30 Newton pre-dates the 300 Weatherby and Winchester magnums. Re-inventing the wheel anyone? I think it comes down to availability, and cost, of components - suitable action lengths and bullet diameters. I think the successful cartridges are those which will feed readily through standard Mauser length M98 type actions. | |||
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With my 375 H&H I get with the 350gr bullet 2400 fps, with the 300 gr bullet I get 2648 Fps, With the 270 gr bullet I get 2668 FPS, and with the 250gr bullet I get 2724 FPS. Not bad for the old H&H. What do you think? | |||
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