With all the polls on 375s, I would be interested to know how people would choose if the rifle was to be an expensive wood/blue rifle.

Would those who have chosen the 375 Ruger on the poll threads choose the 375 Ruger for the expensive custom gun or go with the 375 H&H?

Mike

not bloody likely mate! 375R to 375H&H is like 416 Rem to 416 Rigby.

Rich
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I think the ruger is a blue collar no frills kinda round/rig "combo"...stress combo.

Classy denotes classic meaning h+h.

You said "expensive" and "expensive" does not always go with "class" see the ugly homes in Beverly Hills.

The Ruger is a nich round/rig not a classic round.

To each his own and to thine self be true.

Reload, reload, reload, shoot, shoot, shoot.

"If I Did It" it would be a .375 Weatherby, which outperforms the .375 Ruger with factory or handloaded ammo and can also turn the .375 H&H factory ammo into Doctari-style-slowed-down and accurate super killers with the cheapest of bullets merely by firing them in the .375 Wby chamber. Thus I would surely be able to find ammo for it anywhere, even somewhere in Idaho.

I would still go with the Ruger although the Weatherby does have it's appeal.

If you were building a "classic" style wood/blue and concerned about resale value you probably should go with H&H, since people that like old fashioned guns usually prefer old fashioned cartridges, too.


Even in Idaho...Classic

RIP,

you would be surprised to see how many little Mom&Pop gas station/convenience store/restaurants scattered across Idaho have a box or three of 375H&H setting on the shelf. Right next to the 30-30 and 30-06.

Rich
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Gatehouse,

if I were 28 instead of 58, I'd probably go for the Ruger. You just seem, as you get older, to have more of an appreciation and an affinity for the older, time-proven big game rifles and chamberings.

The Old Fart
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As noted in a previous thread, if I were to do an "expensive custom gun" in a .375 bore, it would be in 9.5x66 Vom Hofe. If it's going to be a truly custom rifle, why not make things as difficult as possible?

pinotguy,
That's why I'm having my full-custom Ruger #1 converted to the original .400 Nitro Express... .395 diameter and all!

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Originally posted by prof242:
pinotguy,
That's why I'm having my full-custom Ruger #1 converted to the original .400 Nitro Express... .395 diameter and all!

Honestly this is the train of thought I love!

(Hopefully none of the .395-series cartridges are belted.)

I don't know if this meets your definition of a expensive rifle is.
I have a 375 R being built by Kevin Weaver
Comerical FN Mauser action
Gentry safety
Rock Barrel
gost ring rear sight
I haven't bought the stock blank budging $1000.

I figur that in 20 or 30 years when my family sells it trying to sell a 375 H&H would be like selling a 300H&H today.

I know Paradigm shifts are difficult for you old farts but you never want to be the last one selling Buggy Whips.

Paradigm Shifts

DR B

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Originally posted by pinotguy:

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Originally posted by prof242:
pinotguy,
That's why I'm having my full-custom Ruger #1 converted to the original .400 Nitro Express... .395 diameter and all!

Honestly this is the train of thought I love!

(Hopefully none of the .395-series cartridges are belted.)

lol gerard has one designed to be an improved h+h case necked up.

the 400 BPE (.395") died early never to become the 400 Nitro I think due to over proprietarizing the bore size and capacity. Both are non issues now with modernity and gun nuts. We have the 500, 600 and 700 nitro and no 400...now that dont make a lick of sense.

We have the 400 nitro necked down, the 500 necked down to the 400 but allas no plain 400???

Soon to be remedied by devout gun cranks...you know who you are.

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Originally posted by Dr B:

I figur that in 20 or 30 years when my family sells it trying to sell a 375 H&H would be like selling a 300H&H today.


DR B

This just begs the question. If 30 years ago you had bought a custom 416 Rigby what would it be worth today? If you had bought a custom 404 Jeffery what would it be worth today? And even if you had bought a .375 H&H what would it be worth today? I don't think the newer .375s have put even the slighted dent in the old H&H, same for the .416s with respect to the Rigby.

I think i would say that having the words steyr on the barrel carry as much class and holland.
376 steyr.

just imagine, back in 1958 you had bought two M70's, one in 300H&H and one in 300WM and put them in the gunsafe. Both are NIB, which one is going to bring the most $$$? I rest my case.

Rich
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Many years ago (1985)I bought a left handed Heym bolt action in 375 H&H. It was customized and tweeked by Paul Jeager.
I know when I ordered the gun I did a lot of research and tried to do it right the first time.
I know if I had to do it all over again I would have bought the exact same gun. What a beauty.

I had a go around awhile back about this exact topic. At that point I was adamant I would pick a 3757R.

Today, I would still pick a a 375R when limited to 375 caliber.

But I currently have a 9.3x64 Brenneke in the works.

Now this isn't a $10,000 custom rifle, but it is going to be extremely nice when it's all done.

I don't buy guns with eventual value in mind. I buy them if I like the way they feel, look, and shoot today.

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Originally posted by The Slug:
I don't buy guns with eventual value in mind. I buy them if I like the way they feel, look, and shoot today.

Ditto.

I could care less what the investment value of my rifles are. I buy 'em to use 'em.

Cheers,
Canuck

375 Flanged in a Dakota Model 10 Magnum. They have the recipe here http://www.dakotaarms.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?categor...Model_10_Single_Shot

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Originally posted by The Slug:
I don't buy guns with eventual value in mind. I buy them if I like the way they feel, look, and shoot today.

Ditto.

But I think a top end wood gun in M70 or a Mauser type action just makes for a nicer package in 375 H&H. Not about re sale but just...what would you prefer?

375 H&H and 378 Wby The other stuff is for people who can't make up their mind

Mike

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Originally posted by WbyPower:
Would those who have chosen the 375 Ruger on the poll threads choose the 375 Ruger for the expensive custom gun or go with the 375 H&H?

Mike

.375 Belted Rimless Magnum Nitro Express

-Bob F.

I'm in the process of doing just what your question asked. Mine ia a 375 Ackley

If I was going to drop a bundle in a Custom .375 bore rifle it would be in the tried, true and proven .375 H&H. It would always have a much better resale value than all that weird stuff has.

Were I building a ground-up custom rifle, I'd have really no other choice than the H&H. There's just something about a fine rifle in 375 H&H that reeks of class and nostalgia, even if it's brand new.

my vote 9,5x66 Gehmann which is the new 375 Westley Richards

Cause hunting would be primary aim and I prefer std length actions, it would be 375ruger or 9,3x64B.
Im not overly interested in 375hh nostalgia or trying to please some potential buyer some 20-25yrs down the line.
When a well built/balanced good weight rifle rests in my hands, Im less pedantic about chamberings.
After handling the 9.3x64B below, I have since found little interest in taking dropboxmagnumMauser375hh rifles afield.

375 Wby

we are talking more than a touch of S&M with THAT! butt plate and full house loads. Besides, that ain't no 375Ruger; rifle or cartridge hoss.

The notion that one does not care about resale value at some future point assumes that you still have every rifle you have ever bought...? If you do not, then it is a bit silly not to concern your self with that aspect of the project. Especially given the idea that you could easily tie up $5000+ in a true custom rifle, perhaps two or three times that amount. Prudence my good man.

Rich
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I buy investments and hope they increase in value. I buy rifles to shoot and hunt with. Resale value isn't a factor, and it shouldn't be.

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Originally posted by Gatehouse:
I buy investments and hope they increase in value. I buy rifles to shoot and hunt with. Resale value isn't a factor, and it shouldn't be.

If resale is a factor for you (ie. anyone reading this), good on ya, but it aint a factor for me (otherwise, I wouldn't own a 6.5 Gibbs, 416 Taylor, 470 Mbogo, 500 A2, and am having a 300 Win Mag turned into an 8mm Rem Mag, etc, etc...not high demand for any of them).

If I was that worried about the resale value of stuff I use, I'd never buy another vehicle.

And FWIW, I've only ever sold two rifles...I have trouble letting them go.

Cheers,
Canuck

Canuck and Gatehouse,

I suspect that when shooters talk of resale value and especially with any rifle that is more expensive than the Rem 700, Ruger or M70, they are really talking about "approval" for their choice of calibre/rifle.

By "approval" I don't mean they are seeking permission from other shooters but rather "approval" from a bulk of knowledgeable shooters is an indication that their choice of calibre/rifle is a good one that will work well etc.

People who buy Weatherbys like to piss people off

Mike

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By "approval" I don't mean they are seeking permission from other shooters but rather "approval" from a bulk of knowledgeable shooters is an indication that their choice of calibre/rifle is a good one that will work well etc.

Is that your polite way of saying "satisfying a deep-seated insecurity"?

I like to try and use things that are a little different, but I've never been tempted to go as far out as a Weatherby.

I kid of course...you know my 416 Taylor is built on a Browning BBR action, which is basically a ripoff of what??

Cheers,
Canuck

Stuart Satterlee .375 H&H

It has a little to do with nostalgia, but more to do with dependability. Not that any of the other .375's aren't dependable.

Like Gatehouse & Canuck, I care little to none about the resale, or "approval of" you could say, I like to keep my junk & if for some reason I had to sell, I guess I would take my lumps.......I just hope I get more for it/them than I have told the wife I payed for them!

My father, God rest his soul, raised registered Appaloosa horses as a hobby on our cattle ranch.
He went to the doctor feeling lousy, and came home with a diagnosis of prostate cancer. He sold the livestock off to pay his bills over a few years. The herefords sold for what beef cattle were bringing at the sale barn, the dozen head of registered mares brought well over one-hundred thousand dollars to a single buyer who had lusted after this small foundation breed herd for years. The stud horse went for over fifty-thousand. He was able to leave my mother fairly well fixed when he died nine years later.

If you spend five thousand dollars each on half a dozen custom rifles chambered for oddball, or not-so-popular cartridges and come down with cancer...when you die will your last thoughts be:
A. I enjoyed them, I hope somebody else will and give my wife 1/4th of what they cost me to build?
OR
B. The buyers were all thrilled to pay two to three times what I had in each one.

Having a custom rifle built for an unproven or oddball cartridge is like paying the same price for a single-wide with a tip out as a good house.

Rich
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It's rare that a copy cat round will stand the test of time. Ballistically the 375 Ruger doesn't offer a significant advantage over the 375 H&H. Besides, the 375 H&H equates to Africa. I vote 375H&H. Better yet look hard for a pre 64 Win mod 70 Super Grade in 375 H&H.

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If you spend five thousand dollars each on half a dozen custom rifles chambered for oddball, or not-so-popular cartridges and come down with cancer...when you die will your last thoughts be:
A. I enjoyed them, I hope somebody else will and give my wife 1/4th of what they cost me to build?
OR
B. The buyers were all thrilled to pay two to three times what I had in each one.

They honest truth is that I don't give a rat's ass what they are worth when I am gone. They will go to friends that appreciate them, or they will get sold for whatever can be gotten for them. And my last thoughts will have sweet FA to do with my rifles.

IS...will your wife get $50K for your Dodge if you died tomorrow?

If my rifles depreciate at the same rate that trucks do, I still don't care.

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Having a custom rifle built for an unproven or oddball cartridge is like paying the same price for a single-wide with a tip out as a good house.

I disagree, unless your whole point was to invest, or if the investment value was an equal consideration at least. If you had it built to use it, the only thing that matters is that your happy with the cartridge.

Cheers,
Canuck

375 H&H.
No doubts, no questions.

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Is that your polite way of saying "satisfying a deep-seated insecurity"?

No, not really. More a case of the shooter thinking that if a M70 in 375 H&H or whatever has wide approval then it probably works.

Also, for some people life is probably easier if their rifle/calibre always or least mostly reads up well.

Have you ever noticed that a large number of posters who might knock a choice of rifle/calibre very frequently will not only have not owned one but might not have even see one in the flesh or handled one. They are reflecting a "bulk opinion" they have picked up from reading.

Mike

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Originally posted by HAY-MAN:
It's rare that a copy cat round will stand the test of time. Ballistically the 375 Ruger doesn't offer a significant advantage over the 375 H&H. Besides, the 375 H&H equates to Africa. I vote 375H&H. Better yet look hard for a pre 64 Win mod 70 Super Grade in 375 H&H.

It is has already been said.....but what about the 300 Winchester and 300 H&H?