Check out the review of the 375 Ruger. The author states 2757 fps with 300 grain TSX and 2782 with the Hornady 300 FMJ. I've seen on a couple forums that people are receiving factory ammo from Hornady. I'd be interested to see if they are getting the same results.


http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-Hawkeye375.htm

Clint,Thanks for posting the link. The Ruger looks like a winner.

finaly some reliable info to shame and silence the naysayers

now the one year wait till the 416 ruger...

article states

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-Hawkeye375.htm
Bullet Powder Charge OAL Velocity
Hornady 225 SP H414 90 3.41" 3068
Hornady 225 SP H4350 86 3.41" 2938
Hornady 225 SP H4350 88 3.41" 3019
Hornady 225 SP H4350 89.7 3.41" 3100
Hornady 270 SP H4350 85 3.413" 2783
Hornady 270 SP H4350 86 3.413" 2828
Hornady 270 SP H4350 87 3.413" 2875
Hornady 300 FMJ H4350 84.7 3.349" 2782
Barnes 210X Varget 76 3.297" 2965
Barnes 210X Varget 78 3.297" 3029
Barnes 210X H414 88 3.346" 3085
Barnes 235 XLC H4350 88.2 3.361" 2940
Barnes 235 XLC H414 88 3.351" 2970
Barnes 270 XLC H414 86.1 3.357" 2975
Barnes 270 TSX H414 86.1 3.331" 2856
Barnes 300 TSX H4350 84.7 3.366" 2757
Sierra 200 JRN H414 87 3.16" 3032
Sierra 200 JRN H414 88.2 3.16" 3055
Sierra 200 JRN Varget 85.2 3.16" 3300
Hornady 270 SP (Factory Load) 2758

and I've got both a legacy mauser in the mail and a CZ take 375 barrel I want to shorten....

and was just thinking today that this would be NEATO (but maybe not AS neato as a 10.75x68)....

good going Steve

though this may be the perfect stopping rifle rear sight (too bad no 375 is a stopper )

this cartridge seems to have a wealth of possibilities. The 200 grain Sierra for light thin skinned game, but then you have what ever you want at the high end for what ever you want. I guess the question is "how silly is it to want to shoot a deer with a .375 Ruger....

WHAT A CLASSIC REAR SIGHT , WITH THE CUTESY POO LITTLE ISLAND AND THE TWO TRADIONAL HEX HEAD BOLTS .

AMERICAN GUNSMITHING AT ITS FINEST ???

THEY JUST CAN'T GET IT , CAN THEY ?

I STILL THINK THEIR BEST EFFORT WAS THEIR MOD 77 TAKEDOWN RIFLE.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and I've got both a legacy mauser in the mail and a CZ take 375 barrel I want to shorten....

and was just thinking today that this would be NEATO (but maybe not AS neato as a 10.75x68)....

good going Steve

though this may be the perfect stopping rifle rear sight (too bad no 375 is a stopper )

Surely thats not pressed checkering in that photo,is it?

My gosh, now that I have an idea what that unobtainable ammunition can do... it makes me want to run right out and buy a rifle so I can sit at home and have a much more detailed fantasy about what it will be like to not shoot one.
Let me know when I can buy some...what quarter of 2007, or are we talking anniversary present?

Bah Humbug

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by boom stick:
finaly some reliable info to shame and silence the naysayers

Boomy....I don't recall anyone disputing the performance numbers.....the only thing that I recall being disputed was the "so-called" popularity.....that it was going to blow away he .375 H&H.......and that has never been stated.....(I think)

Hornady fell a bit not having ammo available for the first buyers of the rifle but that seems to becoming into line.....

Those Fe sights look very functional, therefore, it seems to me they got it right this time.
.375H&H 270gr Hornady Heavy Mag Vo=2870fps.
Oops, I better order some before Hornady quits loading these.

I wonder if these figures are with Hornady's "Heavy Mag" tectnoligy? If so, that means it cannot be doup'd at your reloading bench.

Keith

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if these figures are with Hornady's "Heavy Mag" tectnoligy? If so, that means it cannot be doup'd at your reloading bench.

It certainly can!!!!!

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Originally posted by tomo577:
WHAT A CLASSIC REAR SIGHT , WITH THE CUTESY POO LITTLE ISLAND AND THE TWO TRADIONAL HEX HEAD BOLTS .

AMERICAN GUNSMITHING AT ITS FINEST ???

THEY JUST CAN'T GET IT , CAN THEY ?

Tom,
ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE PICTURE are your eyes failing? there is a hex and a straight slot screw in this picture... where are you seeing the second hex head? is there a Tommy version of "where's waldo?"


How many leaves does you have on your AMERICAN 577 nitro? If more than one standing, how many times, AT DANGEROUS GAME have you EVER reached out with your fore and, and decided to flick that leaf up, as something is charging you?

Obivously NONE as you are alive to discuss it.

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CUTESY POO LITTLE ISLAND

which, of course, is ticker in section on the standing blade than ANY rifle you own... ? CUTESY POO ? I don't think i've ever heard a grown STRAIGHT man use that phrase before.

Sorry, Tommy, you need to know you look MORE like "usual" than "usual" in this one.


DGRs need a single BULLET PROOF standing rear sight, that will get you could of harms' way, not some stupid dodad that has more leaves than the rifle has range

jeffe

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:
I wonder if these figures are with Hornady's "Heavy Mag" tectnoligy? If so, that means it cannot be doup'd at your reloading bench.

Keith

Keith,
look at the stuff above.. it's all reloading data, with various bullets... of his bench

I am looking forward to it!

That's a pretty decent read. It would seem like Ruger have hit a home run with this combination of caliber and rifle. The author validated all the claims both Ruger and Hornaday made, and he even got to shoot some boxes of the hard-to-find factory ammo! I'd like to see someone take some game with one and we can see how it does in the field!

Rear sight may be functional, but I think it is ugly, and the front sight base/ramp is even uglier. Just no flowing lines in my eyes.

All the people complaneing ,, why don,t yall just have your own pinkey finger ,, never use ,, english rifle thread..............The 375 Ruger is the best rifle ,cartridge combo ,to come along since the 416 Rem .....Thanks Jeffeosso for posting that ....The 375 going that fast will not be bad at stopping.......Tho bigger is better ... The veristility will be great........And it is alot of fun to hunt with just iron sights!!! With the 270 , 250 , 235 or210 gr bullet it will be a great , caribou/ sheep/ goat/ wolf / bear /sea lion/walrus/ deer / bison /musk ox / ect.ect.ect.ect.ect.ect. rifle... And whats wrong with 46 $ a box for ammo????? The best load for the 375 H&H is the Fed High Energy Trophy Bonded stuff and its alot more expensive .............

CAn someone explain the reasoning behind the 375 Ruger? Is it just it's use in a short action or is it the VERY small velocity gain over the H&H or that it can do it in a little bit shorter barrel?

If it's about the action length I believe that's a non-issue since most H&H's are built on standard action already with just a shorther bolt stop. M70 and M700 use the same basic action for the 30/06 and H&H.

Is it just me or does it seem like Hornady is trying to create a "cartridge of the month" thing with all these ne cartridges? ie. 375 Ruger, 30TC, 308 Marlin, 300 Weatherby Rimmed, etc.

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Originally posted by reelman:
CAn someone explain the reasoning behind the 375 Ruger?


If it's about the action length I believe that's a non-issue since most H&H's are built on standard action already with just a shorther bolt stop.

Yes, actually, it is. Most turnbolt rifles are NOT 375 length, though a DEFUNCT maker WAS and a NONdgr maker still is.

a ruger costs 535 every day, and their high end cost is 750bucks for a dolled up 375 ruger.

Wich is about 1/3 the cost of a "new" winchester in 375 ...

or the cost of another buffalo trophy fee...

or an entire bison hunt in difference....

It's about the same COST as a CZ 550 375, and weighs a PRICESLESS 1.5 # less


and on mausers... it is a trouble $$$ to make a 375HH on a mauser, that is marginal for length (says the experts)

so, yeah, better fitted for normal actions..


jeffe

An everyday low priced factory .375, thats a good thing.
I wanted to see a factory 375T appear,375ruger is about as close as its going to get.I'll take it!

For the std.mauser man who wants a .375bore but cant afford a new magnum98 receiver the 375ruger is up his alley.Dont have to stoke it to the max,just duplicate 375hh numbers all at lower pressures (ideal for africa and ideal for the old metallurgy military actions)
load a gsc265Hv at a lazy 2700fps and its bites the head off & chews the ass out of any cupcore.375-300grain for down range thump.and no less a bullet up close for any big game a guy wants to use a .375 for.
ONE lower recoil,lower pressure, ballistically superior load for DG & LPG... full stop.



If I needed any more than that, i would not go heavier in .375 but would opt for .416/375ruger with 330hV even at a very lazy low pressure 2550fps:



For about the same recoil,I would certainly prefer that .416/330hv@2550 in my hands for a charging lion or 300yd Eland over any 375. It has about the same momentum at 300yd that the 375 has at the muzzle.
In fact I believe it makes the 416 cal the best all round bore for africa and certainly not out of place on the larger varieties of BearMooseElk

Availability in standard length (read low cost) stainless synthetic rifles, the 338 Win. has long been a favorite in AK. I'll keep my H&H, but I'm guessing the 375 Ruger will make serious inroads into new rifle sales of both 338 and 375 H&H for that locale.

Why would anyone want faster than H&H velocities for their rifle especially in a shorter case. There has to be a real increase in pressure on that round do push a 300 gr. bullet at 2750 f/s. I have a rifle that could use rebarreling and was considering the 375 Ruger but not at those speeds.

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I have a rifle that could use rebarreling and was considering the 375 Ruger but not at those speeds.

For handloaders it's simply a matter of a few less grains of powder (lower pressures) to equal the H&H.

Looks like another damn inaccurate Ruger to me, and too light, and won't reach .H&H velocity, and kicks too hard. It looks like a winner to me. A nice looking rifle with good sights, plenty of power with some range, CRF, very accurate and prices will approximate that of a CZ, well maybe just a bit higher. I was surprised to see almost 2900 with 270's and 300's at 2750. That is what Saeed loads his 375-404 to for buff. The cartridge's real beauty is that a standard Mauser can be chambered for it with no fuss, no weakening of the action, etc. I need to find another old FN action in a mag caliber now.

Practicle, no doubt but way too much like a short mag for me. I'll stay with the H&H.

It looks like a great cartridge to me. There's not enough difference for me to trade in my H&H (Like there's a chance in hell of that). Now, if they just wake up and open it up to make a 404, I'd be all over it like a teenage boy with his prom date.

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Now, if they just wake up and open it up to make a 404, I'd be all over it like a teenage boy with his prom date.

Apparantly you hade a better date than I did!!!

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Originally posted by Jimmy P Coaltrain:
this cartridge seems to have a wealth of possibilities. ....

Possibilities that the 375 HH never had?

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Originally posted by lb404:
Why would anyone want faster than H&H velocities for their rifle especially in a shorter case. There has to be a real increase in pressure on that round do push a 300 gr. bullet at 2750 f/s. I have a rifle that could use rebarreling and was considering the 375 Ruger but not at those speeds.

That's a fundamentally uninformed statement. The .375 Ruger case is 6% LARGER than the H & H. Factory ammo spec is for a 300 grain at 2660 fps at a SAAMI spec 62,000 PSI. SAAMI pressure specifications for the .375 Ruger and the .375 H & H are exactly the same. The new Ruger gives more velocity with the same pressure because it's a bigger case.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Uninformed I may be, however, I stand on my contention that faster speeds are not necessary. The Ruger is nothing more than an improved H&H wanna be. I didn't have anything against the 376 Steyer and I don't have anything against the Ruger. I doubt it will replace the H&H round any time soon if ever. It is another solution looking for a place to fit. What next, a 375 WSSM????

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Originally posted by lb404:
Uninformed I may be, however, I stand on my contention that faster speeds are not necessary. The Ruger is nothing more than an improved H&H wanna be. I didn't have anything against the 376 Steyer and I don't have anything against the Ruger. I doubt it will replace the H&H round any time soon if ever. It is another solution looking for a place to fit. What next, a 375 WSSM????

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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Here is an article that appeared in Rifle magazine that details the mods necessary to fit the 375 H&H into a standard Ruger 77. https://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/article.cfm?tocid=1186&magid=84 Pretty straight forward with off the shelf parts. I'd have to agree with lb404, The 375 Ruger is a solution in search of a problem. My guess is that the 375 Ruger exists to avoid canibalizing sales from the high-end magnum 77, which most certainly would have happened if they put the H&H in a standard gun.

"...six-percent bigger case...". That equates, at the same pressure, to a one and one-half percent maximum attainable velocity increase...about what you'd expect from an additional .050" of freebore in the throat. The case simply cannot match the velocity claims with any available powder without very high pressures...anything else is snake oil.

This is like my nephew, who is seven, telling me last weekend that the sun actually rises in the west and sets in the east. I asked him how that could be, and had him face north to prove it. His response was to turn so that he was facing south instead, and say "...see, you said my left is west and my right is east, and the sun is over there (pointed to his left) and it is rising...".

Roy Weatherby was famous for screaming high velocities with his wildcats, until somebody asked him how long the pressure /velocity testing barrels were, and what the actual land and groove diameters were...or if there was actually rifling in those barrels? Like Ackley who used to rechamber for his wildcats, and use the lessened amount of drop at 300 yards to figure velocity increases. 10% less drop = 10% more muzzle velocity. I just know somebody in our group of shooters will have to have one...I'm looking, with great anticipation, to see what numbers a couple of chronographs actually show over the H&H.

You have to put a LOT!!! of slow burning powder into a big case behind a heavy bullet to get speed, and then it takes a long barrel to burn it all to achieve that speed. The claims are roughly equivalent to the 375 RUM, which has a lot bigger case column.

I'm originally from Missouri, the "Show Me State".

Rich
DRSS

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The 375 Ruger is a solution in search of a problem.

That being said I don't think the round is a bad idea, just unnecessary.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
"...six-percent bigger case...". That equates, at the same pressure, to a one and one-half percent maximum attainable velocity increase...about what you'd expect from an additional .050" of freebore in the throat. The case simply cannot match the velocity claims with any available powder without very high pressures...anything else is snake oil.

More inane, baseless theory from the idaho dullshooter. The proof is in the pressure guns. Hornady has tested it endlessly in theirs. What did you get in yours? Where is the transducer placed on your pressure barrel? What barrel length, leade, etc? You're the leading snake oil salesman around here.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

If I remember correctly, H&H brought out their proprietary cartridge best suited to magnum length mausers,(not excatly for the common man)hence the popularity of the 9.3x62/stdM98 combo.
In all reality there was no great need for the 375hh to be born except for Hollands own persuits, much like the 375Ruger, except that Ruger is offering very reasonable price BG rifle which certainly makes more broad spectrum practical sense than the 375hh did when it was released.
The 9.3x64Brenneke was/is way ahead in design over 375hh and undoubtedly the ideal fit in the common std98.

In fact if H&H felt it imperative to create a proprietary cartridge,cause they chose to ignore the virtuous 9.3x64B, it would have been good to create something similar to 375ruger, considering they predominantly used std98 receivers.
Surely if the 375ruger is "a solution in search of a problem" then the 375hh started off much same, probably even more so, cause ideally one should have had it in an exclusive magnum receiver. And if such Magnum receivers were not generally available and/or regularly affordable at the time of release of the cartridge, its no where near anything like the relative small delay of 375ruger ammo not being available at the release of the rifle. When ammo does come on the shelf most folk will be able to afford 375rugerRifle&ammo, which aint anything like the guy in 1912 who could afford 375hh ammo, but most unlikely the rifle for a good many years if ever at all.
The 375hh only became big seller in the US when it was chambered in the m70 about 1937, 1912-1937, only about 25yrs yet some complain that a small delay on 375ruger ammo is some sort of issue.

below is an extract from another poster from the European forum,its makes sense.

"It is funny to think about, that the 9.3x64 outsold the .375 H&H by a wide margin when they were first introduced. Being designed to fit in a Mauser system very likely had something to do with it. Only the wars and associated problems with production ensured the worldwide popularity of the .375 H&H. If the 9.3x64 had continued to lead the tables, I'm sure it would have been the legal minimum for DG in Africa instead of the .375..."

as soon as a pressure barrel becomes avaliable at the pressure lab i will pressure test the 375 Ruger against the h&h, that will be the definative answer!!!
daniel

Nice looking rifle. I would buy one if I didn't already own H&H. (performance+quality)/price looks to be a large "number"!

Perhaps Hornady came up with a WSM or Short RUM kind of thing only with the 375 cal... And the Hawkeye Alaskan will fit ALOT nicer in my hand than a 10 lb winchester that needs repeated trips to the factory....