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Originally posted by boom stick:
Gotcha!


sucker...

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Like I said, that remington will look and preform rather sprightly once I get those chambers violated with a 45-120 reamer. Read 2000fps with 500gr boolits.

Rich

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Gotcha!


sucker... happy april fools day

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Originally posted by El Deguello:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Gotcha!


sucker...

I was going to ask you what possessed you to make such a dumb move as to sell your .45/70........

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by El Deguello:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Gotcha!


sucker...

I was going to ask you what possessed you to make such a dumb move as to sell your .45/70........

I wanted to ask where you found someone ignorant enough to buy it!

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dave i respect you a lot but a few factors that you did not take into acct.... yes it is true that the faster you throw a flat nose solid the deeper it will go (hardcast top out at around 2200 fps because of structural integrity) if you compare traditional round nose and softs to a wide meplat solid or the like the meplat solid wins. in an animal (not plywood) terminal ballistics apply...meaning CAVITATION off the meplat which other bullets do not do. if you set up the same test in an animal like media the faster the better with the same test. sooooooo if you shoot a 550 with a meplat @ 1550fps it will penetrate like a 375 h+h if penetration is your goal. now to reeeely throw a monkey wrench...a test was done with the 350 gr nosler partition going about 2000 fps and it did out penetrate the 375 h+h now bullet mechanics mean alot!!!! ITS MORE ABOUT THE FUNCTION AND DESIGN OF THE BULLET IN THE ANIMAL.

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Originally posted by 470 Mbogo:
Hi Boomstick
I shoot hard cast out of my 470 and my 500 A-Square at 2400 fps and 2500 fps and have recovered bullets at both velocities. You should get yourself a copy of Lead Bullet Technologies book. The comparing of apples to apples is what this whole exercise is about. All bullets are the same in the test. All are heavy for caliber, all are the same shape and all are the same weight. The only difference is velocity which also relates to spin rate. But that is one thing I have no control over. You mention comparing round nose (solids) and softs to a wide meplate solid. That isn't an apples to apples comparison and that is what starts these rumors. We have all read and understand the cavitation theory presented by Norbert and that's the reason for the flat nose solids used. You can't compare soft point bullet penetration in animals because no two things are the same. To say that a 350 grain Nosler (no mention of caliber) Partition at 2200 fps out penetrates a 375 H&H is a moot point. What was the travel route, what was encountered on route, what was the expansion size and at what point did the expansion size decrease when the Nosler lost it's front and folded back starting to penetrate like an under weight solid. Say what you want about plywood but it's the most consistent test medium that can be returned to time after time. I haven't read of anyone using a better test medium that you don't have to mortgage your house for. So I don't think you've thrown any monkey wrenches into anything while still comparing apples to apples. Please wait until you have your 470 AR and then tell me how your 45-70 will out penetrate it. I have a 45-70 and love it for what it is so this isn't a kick at the 45-70. It's just clearing up some BS.
Take care and enjoy your new rifle,
Dave

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Originally posted by boom stick:
dave i respect you a lot but a few factors that you did not take into acct.... yes it is true that the faster you throw a flat nose solid the deeper it will go (hardcast top out at around 2200 fps because of structural integrity) if you compare traditional round nose and softs to a wide meplat solid or the like the meplat solid wins. in an animal (not plywood) terminal ballistics apply...meaning CAVITATION off the meplat which other bullets do not do. if you set up the same test in an animal like media the faster the better with the same test. sooooooo if you shoot a 550 with a meplat @ 1550fps it will penetrate like a 375 h+h if penetration is your goal. now to reeeely throw a monkey wrench...a test was done with the 350 gr nosler partition going about 2000 fps and it did out penetrate the 375 h+h now bullet mechanics mean alot!!!! ITS MORE ABOUT THE FUNCTION AND DESIGN OF THE BULLET IN THE ANIMAL.