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Want a rather flat shooter with 350gr Barnes TS..Good BC and looks like 29-3000fprs,hits hard all the way out! Any Field experience you guys? Kill Performance? ThanX! "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | ||
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put the same load of powder in a 416 Rigby case and forget the belt... Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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Another Rigby vote... Or a 416/505 gibbs and use the 416 Barrett bullets for 1000 yard target. Buy a 416 Rigby and run in a 408 Chey-Tac reamer, open up the bolt, neck up the Chey-Tac brass a bit, use Chey Tac dies and use the loads for refference and have some looooooong range smackdown hunting or paper punching 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Order a full tilt custom shop .378 Weatherby and forget the 416. You could take the 460 DGR you have and convert that. Send it to Charlie Sisk. He does MK V work. | |||
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Why do that? The Weatherby (Norma) brass is cheaper and probably better quality than Rigby stuff and I suspect, more readily available. And the 416Wby kicks the Rigby's butt - if required! As for the belt - who cares! | |||
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opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The Wby is a bigger case....a 416 Rigby Improved with shorter neck Another reason I would use Wby brass is that with the 416 Rigby brass Norma does not have to worry about making it hard/strong. Brass availability will always be greater with the Wby because of 30/378, 338/378, 378, 416 and 460 Wbys As for belted problems, the 300 Ackely is still easily the winningiest cartridge in 1000 yard competition. http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2007/11/14/winning...-the-1000-yard-game/ Personally, and even if using the Rigby case, I would prefer the 375 bore size. Also, I would not put a 416 Wby load in a 416 Rigby. Not only less case capacity but less freebore. | |||
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A friend of mine has one and has done extensive load development. He has used it on antelope out to 400yds. I'll ask him to chime in on this thread. George  | |||
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I have a Euromark and love it. I have put hundreds of rounds through it - factory and home-brewed in 0 F to 110F and taken it out of the Jeep's trunk loaded it and shot it at much higher temperatures with no problems whatsoever. Results - well, below are pics of the Elk I took at 285 yards - 1 shot with a 400gr Swift A-frame that started at 2748fps at the muzzle (on my Oehler Chrono). the bullet entered at the left front shoulder, broke it, mascerated the heart and lungs, went through the paunch and ended up just under the skin of the right rear hip. The bullet in my avatar and that below is that A-frame.   NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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The Kid already has a 416 Rigby IIRC. NORMA does not make "stronger" brass for some cartridge and weaker for others (there's a lawuit in the making), it all has the same ductility and strength. You need a way to headspace a cartridge; and there are three options. 1. a rim 2. a belt 3. a shoulder Pick one, you don't need two. It's why the 458WM and Lott feed so easily and flawlessly, no shoulder to mess with. That's my story and I'm sticking to it... Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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The weatherby brass for the 416 weatherby is very strong.I neck it down for my 338-378 weatherby which is my long range gun.I use 325 gr barnes at 2800 fps in my 416 rem mag.Where the 416 Weatherby shines is heavier bullets.The 400 gr barnes and 350 gr are the oners you want for larger game.The 416 rem mag will shoot the 300 gr xbullets ast almost 3000 fps I got 2950 fps but I liked the 325 gr barnes at 2800 fps better.The 416 weatherby will push a 400 gr bullet 2700 fps.It kicks alot more than the 416 rem mag that I use but the brass is awesome.I have gotten 17 reloads out of 416 weatherby brass before I stopped using it. | |||
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I think you would get some arguments on that one and especially when loaded with very blunt bullets. You don't know what Norma will do. You might think you know.... What we do know is that the standard acceptable pressure for the 416 Wby is far in excess of the 416 Rigby. | |||
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I have always thought that Norma made brass for Weatherby...No? RG *We Band Of 45-70'ers* | |||
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Norma always made brass for Weatherby per Weatherby's specs. I presume that is still the case. George | |||
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Thanks, George- Then, who is making the Rigby brass? RG | |||
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Norma also does 416 Rigby brass. The Rigby is a more tapered case and with a longer neck. The 450 Rigby is basically a 416 Rigby Improved necked up to 458 and that is to get a larger shoulder for headspacing. An Australian poster on this site, PC, used some Bertam 416 Rigby brass and it gave up at 2500 f/s. Now I know Bertam is crap but the point is he had no right of complaint as 2500 with 400 grainers is an "overload" when compared to 416 Rigby ballistics and the Bertam stuff was OK for the 2400 f/s | |||
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I will disagree here. section a WBY case and a Rigby case and you'll see that belt adds a considerable amount of thickness to the brass just where its most needed. If your gonna run 65Kpsi thats not a bad thing at all. The belt adds more than just a place to headspace on. My experience with Weatherby's is terrible. 50% of the ones I have owned have had terrible accuracy issues. There is also the WBY retard stigma to deal with in many hunting camps. Personally, I like the wby cartridges and hate the guns so what to do? Switch Barrel Cz550 in .416 wby and my favorite the 500a2. Think about that one!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Agree 100% | |||
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I have played with the 416 for years. I run the 330 GS customs at 3100+ fps and the 350 TSX's at just under 3000 fps. The 300 grain barnes x rocks at 3125 fps. Check out my links below. http://noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2691 http://gsgroup.co.za/fotis.html Unfortunately I am still trying to convince Nosler to produce a 416 high BC Accubond. The 350 grain TSX does not have a high BC. Initially they claimed over .5 BC but it is more like .38 or so. | |||
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Wow,what a fantastic response! Thanks guys,several options for sure..I am going custom and Dave with Viersco.Com makes some super SnipeTac calibers and is working with the 408 case and a similar version that will be even better.He feels we will get 3400 with the 350s and that makes me Happy! This IS to be a Hunting rifle,not some overweight tactical or bench rig....I will let you know the outcome,or I could take the EZ route and do a Accumark rebarreled to .416 Wby,28" Fluted #5 and probably hit 3000 with reasonable loads?! Thanks again,any others? "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Vey Impressive POP!
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Glad you are considering the 416-505... Since you already are getting a 338-505 it makes some sense and necking up the Chey Tac cases would be a breeze... no sense in running excessive preasure on the WBY case...go bigger! Would you consider doing a switch barrel in 338, 375, 416, 505, 550 and 577 BME based on the Gibbs case??? Plasma torch to easy on the barrels. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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There is a bloke on the forum below who has a 416 on a blown out 505 with shortened neck. He has it on a Mark V. I think he calls the 416 Swift. http://www.weatherby.dk/index.php It would be an easy converion on any 378 based Mark V but I would not like the resulting bolt nose being so thin, given that like a Rem 700 the nose protrudes beyond the lugs. Actually, it would be very similar to a Rem 700 bolt opened for the 378/Rigby/Lapua case as the Rem 700 bolt nose is smalled in diameter than the Mark V. If you dropped the bolt it would be best if it landed on an air bag  Although the Rem 700 is now factory chambered in the 338 Lapua and Remington replaced their internal extractor with a Sako style extractor.Mike | |||
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The improved would be cool but a headache, costly and lots of time. Necking up 8 thou is a better choice IMHO  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Yes,we shall see how this works out..No switchbarrel,I prefer seperate rifles...Thanks for the info
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I am dreading the thought of hauling my .416 Barrett M99 on my next plains game safari for those pesky 1500 meter shots at baboons. I was hoping for 4000 fps with the 330-grain GSC HV. I thought of doing a .408 Chey-Tac on a CZ once-upon-a-time, but Marc Jamison talked me out of it ... something about bolt thrust with the Gibbs case head and near 70K psi possible with that cartridge. You really need a 50 BMG sized action for a .408 or .416 on the .505 Gibbs case head. Therefore you ought to go on up to the .416 Barrett with a 3.25" shortened BMG case. Relatively short and fat for the latest accuracy/efficiency craze too. That M99 is half-MOA with factory ammo doing a mere 3250 fps with 400-grainers. What single shot falling block action would handle a .416 Barrett for my next stalking rifle? I want the finished rifle to weigh half as much as the M99 and have a removable muzzle brake for when I hunt with it. Gotta get off the bench now and then. 1:12" TWIST!!!  | |||
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I believe the High Wall had a 1.125" barrel shank. A new build with higher specification materials would handle a Gibbs Case. Big project with lots of testing and machine time. | |||
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isn't the Barrett a 1 in 13 twist 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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No!!! That would be the .408 Chey-Tac with 1:13" TWIST. The .416 Barrett has a 1:12" TWIST. | |||
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Mac, Well if I have to have one custom made, I want it in stainless ... ah, here we go again, into "the world of custom actions." | |||
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,,,,,,,,,,Hi Kid .;; Once upon a time I had a problem animal to deal with ........It was big , mean and dangerous , but very smart........When I had a rifle in my hands it wouldn,t let itself be seen closer than 300 yards or so .......When working , it would sneak up on my ,.,roar at me ect ...I figured out how to deal with it when I read up on the .416 Weatherby.....I didn,t get a 416 Whby and to the best of my knowledge it is still there ....If you build one and come up here I,ll tell you where it is and you can go kill the !@#$%^&*())(*&^%$#@! for me ........The ability to deliver 4000ft lbs of energy @ 400 yards in a 330 - 400 gr bullet is awesome , And it can be built into a CZ 550 416 Rigby ... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I shot the barrel out of a 416 Rigby spitting 350gr pills at 2835 fps if that means anything to anyone. I don't think you will notice a REALISTIC difference between a 416 Rigby and a 416 Weatherby provided you use Norma cases in both. | |||
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I own a 416 Wby that I have used in Africa twice. With 400gr Norma factory loads--which the rifle loves--I have had to shoot some plains game at 4-500 yds. I love mine and the recoil is very easy to handle. It has produced one shot kills on Cape Buffalo. Everything else is a walk in the park. Samm of the USA | |||
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..........Welcome to the forums Steven ......I had dreamed up the 416 Whby as an [air cat]the year before it came out ... I talked to Art Alphin about getting one made up as a wildcat but he told me to wait a few months and I could get it in a factory rifle ..............At the time my 500 A=Sq. was my only rifle .....When I had a 416 made up I went with the Rem. mag , then I had a couple Taylors , Now I have another Rem mag .....The Weatherby is just a Rem mag a hundred yards further out ..and probably a good bit more up close ............Now with Hornady makeing Rigby brass I might pick up a CZ Rigby and wring it out then hav it reamed to Whby ..........Which bullet did you use on Cape Buffalo ?? .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I knew I'd find this photo - this is with factory loaded 400gr monolithic solid at 150 yards:  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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