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18 February 2008, 01:40
boom stick
Big Bore and Overkills.
Topic for discussion.

It seems the new classification of "Overkill" cartridges has become popular...

Question...Should there be a board for "Overkill" cartridges?

What is an "Overkill" cartridge?

How do you define an Overkill cart?

I think an "Overkill" cart is one that has transcended stoping DG to droping the Hammer of Thor on it or for Sport Shooters who want to test their extent of recoil tollerance.

A brief history of "Overkill" carts would be interesting considering most of them post here.

Can someone post a chronology of these beastly carts? I know Dan did one but it was a combo of big bores and "overkills" but it needs to be updated.

Nyati, Overkill, T-Rex, 550 Magnum, Express and Gibbs, 12GFH, AHR carts ect.

The mentality of an Overkill shooter is different I think. They are not the hard core extended pinky crowd.

I used to think the 500 Nitro was the pinacle of big bores but now I kinda see it as a medium big bore.

Yes there were 8, 4 and 2 bore rifles but they were intended as stopper/hunters or just plain trophies themselves.


577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

*we band of 45-70ers* (Founder)
Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)
18 February 2008, 03:26
GeorgeS
There will be no separate board for the "Overkill" cartridges.

If you'd like to create a web site for such a thing, please feel free to do so.

George


18 February 2008, 03:42
Con
Boomy,
Sounds more like your describing "Mega-bores".
Cheers...
Con
18 February 2008, 03:45
boom stick
I think overkill is a big bullet moving faster than traditional velocities like the 2400ish range. A megabore can be traditional like the 4 bore.


577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

*we band of 45-70ers* (Founder)
Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)
18 February 2008, 04:08
jeffeosso
all of which are larger than .367 and smaller than 1.1"

big bores


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
18 February 2008, 05:25
Whitworth
What does overkill actually mean? There are no degrees of dead....... Big Grin



"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

Semper Fidelis

"Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time"
18 February 2008, 05:38
Robgunbuilder
Overkill is a state of mind!-Rob


Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012
Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise!
18 February 2008, 05:48
Paolo9,5x73
quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:
What does overkill actually mean? There are no degrees of dead....... Big Grin

True, but there are various levels of pain infliction.
18 February 2008, 08:23
Whitworth
I mean that there is no such thing as having too much gun! Big Grin



"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

Semper Fidelis

"Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time"
18 February 2008, 09:02
gumboot458
........The limit is what you shoot well and accurately ..........,.


.If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined ....
18 February 2008, 09:39
MikeyB
You guys won't be happy until you can hunt with 20mm anti-tank rifles, will you! rotflmo


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18 February 2008, 10:36
Idaho Sharpshooter
not me, I've already hunted the world's most dangerous game with a 105mm Recoilless Rifle. I'm just trying to make up for having a small penis.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...
18 February 2008, 10:38
Whitworth
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
not me, I've already hunted the world's most dangerous game with a 105mm Recoilless Rifle. I'm just trying to make up for having a small penis.


Rich, I think I just pissed myself I am laughing so hard!! LOL!! jumping



"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

Semper Fidelis

"Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time"
18 February 2008, 21:34
Dr.K
Yea Rich , Now I see !.

Large Bores compensate for miscalculation in trajectory placement !.

Exception ; when faced with real danger .5 degree elevation and repel loads !. The very least a .375 for the gnarly ones !.

Or " PUFF " !.

Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ... salute
19 February 2008, 04:13
boom stick
lol Rich.

So is the 460 WBY the original "overkill"


577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

*we band of 45-70ers* (Founder)
Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)
19 February 2008, 07:12
Robgunbuilder
Exactly the same state of mind as owning fast cars. You don't need a corvette to go 65 MPH. If you want to be just like everybody else there is the good ol Prius! I don't want to be like everybody else and I don't own a prius! My taste in cars is consistent with my taste in Guns. Mo Horsepower is good. Stay tuned for my new book which is the defining term in this area entitled Guns,Cars,Women and Booze a treatise on wretched excess and a must read for all Overkill afficianados.-Rob


Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012
Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise!
19 February 2008, 08:10
Idaho Sharpshooter
is my Shelby GT 500KR packing enough firepower to get on your "A-list"? The discussion took less than forty-five seconds to get me on my wife's "S--t-list".

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...
19 February 2008, 20:31
Atkinson
No such thing as overkill unless you go beyond reality and shoot a 20 MM.....

This big bore business should be based on how much recoil one can handle without consideration...My limit is about a 416 or 458 Win....

If I could carry and shoot a 600 N.E. then I probably would do just that..however I have never had a problem killing any animal with a 416 or a 375 or even the lowly 9.3x62 for that matter. Most folks would be better off knowing their limits as opposed to surmising them..

I would be confident standing a charge with any of the above mid level cartridges..


Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
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Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120

rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
19 February 2008, 20:55
mstarling
Robgunbuilder,

You've finally explained the overkill mania in a way that I can understand it!

Naw ... don't need this to do 65:



but it is a visceral experience to go WAY beyond the normal limits Wink


Mike

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Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com
19 February 2008, 20:56
DWright
Overkill: What I got with my last divorce! Overkill. killpc


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19 February 2008, 20:58
CCMDoc
quote:
Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Exactly the same state of mind as owning fast cars. You don't need a corvette to go 65 MPH. If you want to be just like everybody else there is the good ol Prius! I don't want to be like everybody else and I don't own a prius! My taste in cars is consistent with my taste in Guns. Mo Horsepower is good. Stay tuned for my new book which is the defining term in this area entitled Guns,Cars,Women and Booze a treatise on wretched excess and a must read for all Overkill afficianados.-Rob


I'd like a leather-bound, autographed copy, please.


NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003

Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow
19 February 2008, 21:39
600 Overkill
quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Exactly the same state of mind as owning fast cars. You don't need a corvette to go 65 MPH. If you want to be just like everybody else there is the good ol Prius! I don't want to be like everybody else and I don't own a prius! My taste in cars is consistent with my taste in Guns. Mo Horsepower is good. Stay tuned for my new book which is the defining term in this area entitled Guns,Cars,Women and Booze a treatise on wretched excess and a must read for all Overkill afficianados.-Rob


I'd like a leather-bound, autographed copy, please.


DITTO---EARLY FIRST COPY jumping
19 February 2008, 21:52
Whitworth
As a former editor of a number of auto rags (including Car Craft), I would like to assist with the publication of said book! hillbilly



"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

Semper Fidelis

"Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time"
19 February 2008, 21:58
prof242
Will try and dig out a pic of my '68 Vette with the blower, yeah blower, poking through the hood. Had a lot of comments when I drove it around the base. Wife nearly killed me when it went to our son...also in the AF at the time.
As far as overbore, "What's in your wallet?"


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DRSS, po' boy member
Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship
19 February 2008, 22:22
Whitworth
Sorry for the thread hijack, but I didn't start it!

Here's my street car -- a bit on the overkill side......





"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

Semper Fidelis

"Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time"
20 February 2008, 00:26
jens poulsen
quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:
What does overkill actually mean? There are no degrees of dead....... Big Grin

Yes there are..!!
..There is DEAD
....and then there is very very very DEAD

animal


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20 February 2008, 00:31
Macifej
quote:
Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Exactly the same state of mind as owning fast cars. You don't need a corvette to go 65 MPH. If you want to be just like everybody else there is the good ol Prius! I don't want to be like everybody else and I don't own a prius! My taste in cars is consistent with my taste in Guns. Mo Horsepower is good. Stay tuned for my new book which is the defining term in this area entitled Guns,Cars,Women and Booze a treatise on wretched excess and a must read for all Overkill afficianados.-Rob



An Autobiography or work of comedic fiction??
20 February 2008, 00:35
Whitworth
Have a feeling it's autobiographical...... Big Grin



"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

Semper Fidelis

"Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time"
20 February 2008, 04:46
.530Woodleigh
I'm still tryin' ta' figure out how to mount a stock to this German 88mm. LOL
20 February 2008, 05:04
Aglifter
quote:
Originally posted by jens poulsen:
quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:
What does overkill actually mean? There are no degrees of dead....... Big Grin

Yes there are..!!
..There is DEAD
....and then there is very very very DEAD

animal


And then there is "identifiable only by DNA..." Which is where the overkill series is probably heading...


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20 February 2008, 05:19
Whitworth
What if the particles are so small they defy identification?? jumping



"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

Semper Fidelis

"Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time"
20 February 2008, 06:03
Robgunbuilder
Ah-I see I have many kindred spirits in the big Gun, fast car, Mortar and CANNON CROWD that exists here. Too bad we can't blow stuff up anymore, I CERTAINLY did my share of that TOO. I WILL DEVOTE A CHAPTER ON THAT TOPIC IN MY NEW BOOK ALTHOUGH IN THE INTEREST of the common good I WILL be forced to leave out the details. Overkill is a great state of Mind. dancing -Rob


Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012
Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise!