Sigh...Another useless cartridge we don't need that was developed for ARs, jut so we can sell more ammo and black rifles. Just because it's new.
I resist all this nonsense, although here, the 350 is very popular as it has zero recoil and comes in black.
Modern, young (and old) hunters can no longer take any recoil. I see it on the range.
And I just saw an article on the 350 Buck hammer or some such nonsense for the Marlin 336. What is wrong with the old 35 Remington?
I know, it's not new; therefore, bad.

dpcd, Well said!, Brian

whatever brings the kids to shooting sports

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
whatever brings the kids to shooting sports

I kinda like NOT waiting for a bench at the rifle range!

Hip

Dude, you are in NY -- love you, hate the State

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Sigh...Another useless cartridge we don't need that was developed for ARs, jut so we can sell more ammo and black rifles. Just because it's new.
I resist all this nonsense, although here, the 350 is very popular as it has zero recoil and comes in black.
Modern, young (and old) hunters can no longer take any recoil. I see it on the range.
And I just saw an article on the 350 Buck hammer or some such nonsense for the Marlin 336. What is wrong with the old 35 Remington?
I know, it's not new; therefore, bad.

The 360 Buckhammer AKA the 35-30-30 was a wildcat already but it’s pretty cool to see it being a factory round now especially for straight wall cartridge states that the 35 Remington could not qualify for.

The 400 Legend is the 6.8 SPC case straight walled too for those states that require straight walled cartridges. Would be fun to play with both of these cartridges with hard cast bullets where a straight wall is good for. I imagine a 250-300 grain bullet for the 360 Buckhammer and a 400 grain for the 400 Legend in subsonic loads. A 400 grain subsonic for a “Black Rifle” hunting pigs just seems like a fun idea to me. If you have no extensive gun collection there is less likelihood for overlap when purchasing.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Sigh...Another useless cartridge we don't need that was developed for ARs, jut so we can sell more ammo and black rifles. Just because it's new.
I resist all this nonsense, although here, the 350 is very popular as it has zero recoil and comes in black.
Modern, young (and old) hunters can no longer take any recoil. I see it on the range.
And I just saw an article on the 350 Buck hammer or some such nonsense for the Marlin 336. What is wrong with the old 35 Remington?
I know, it's not new; therefore, bad.

In the midwest, city politicians who have never seen a deer have legislated a straight wall cartridge, some of a certain maximum length. As Ohio requires straightwall with no length restriction, I can not use my 35 Remington. So, I have to use my 50-110, 50 Alaskan or .458WM. The stupidity of these morons is legendary. 30-30 and 35 Remington should be legal anywhere!

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I can not use my 35 Remington. So, I have to use my 50-110, 50 Alaskan or .458WM. The stupidity of these morons is legendary. 30-30 and 35 Remington should be legal anywhere!

This when people have no clue

The .35-30 has a slight shoulder. The Buckhammer does not. I have noted this elsewhere, but believe the Buckhammer case, loaded with compressed black, topped with a paper-patched cast bullet and chambered in a period single-shot rifle, would look completely at home in a circa-1880s schuetzen match.

I think the straight wall cartridges that have been coming out are great for states that require them for deer hunting - provides a lot of options.

I have a lot of ARs, but a LOT more bolt action rifles. The only AR platform I have for big game hunting (hog and deer size) is a 6.5 Grendel. Works great and I know a number of folks that are using them for their kids - low recoil, easy to shoot. And while I also have some 300 blackout ARs, my favorite rifle I let new hunters use for close up hunting (100 yards or so) is a bolt action 300 blackout with 110 gr TTSXs. Works great as well. Ruger also makes a bolt action 6.5 Grendel - that would be a fantastic beginner rifle.

For 95% of my hunting, a light weight, small scoped, suppressed bolt action 308 W is my preference. While I have an AR10 and HK G3, that's the last thing I want to lug around in the field.

And I predict it will be dead in 4 years. Stay tuned and see.
Iowa is one Midwest state that did have a straight wall case law; they have since changed that to any caliber 35 and above. Finally some sense in that state's legislature.
Also, the LAST rifle for a youngster to start out with is an AR. They think they can spray bullets at the deer (base of fire; suppressive fire), instead of concentrating on one good, aimed shot. Again, I see this at our range. Unfortunately it is not just the young ones either.
Anyway, move on; zero use for this loser of a cartridge.
Also, the 35 Buckhammer is not a 35-30-30. Shorter and no shoulder. So, that analogy is invalid.

My hope is that it does well enough that Remington brings out the 700 short action with the .422" bolt face so I can get one and make a 6.8 out of it. Yes I know they made a few 6.8s a while back, but they were few and far between and people wanted a fortune for them.

That will never happen; my crystal ball is very clear.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
That will never happen; my crystal ball is very clear.

Well I guess that's that. I should have known better than to get my hopes up.

But what does your crystal ball say about someone using 400 legend dies and 30-30 brass to make a rimmed version for use in single shots and lever actions?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Austin Hunter:
I think the straight wall cartridges that have been coming out are great for states that require them for deer hunting - provides a lot of options.

I have a lot of ARs, but a LOT more bolt action rifles. The only AR platform I have for big game hunting (hog and deer size) is a 6.5 Grendel. Works great and I know a number of folks that are using them for their kids - low recoil, easy to shoot. And while I also have some 300 blackout ARs, my favorite rifle I let new hunters use for close up hunting (100 yards or so) is a bolt action 300 blackout with 110 gr TTSXs. Works great as well. Ruger also makes a bolt action 6.5 Grendel - that would be a fantastic beginner rifle.

For 95% of my hunting, a light weight, small scoped, suppressed bolt action 308 W is my preference. While I have an AR10 and HK G3, that's the last thing I want to lug around in the field.[/QUOTE

I do not know about other states but Ohio only allows 3 rounds in the gun. That pretty much means that the AR platform has no advantage over a bolt action.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
And I predict it will be dead in 4 years. Stay tuned and see.

Tom,
you know, I wouldn't doubt there was a telegraph in 1912 or 1913 saying the same thing about the 375 HH --

further, there was likely some papyrus about smokeless powder....

just teasing

I think I got that telegram here somewhere...
As for using the 400 Legend dies to make a longer rimmed cartridge; I am all for it; Don't get me wrong, I love the 40 caliber and I build many of them. I have built 400s using 30-40 brass on Marlin 336s and Win 94s. One friend loads his so hot that he gets 405 WCF velocity and the lever opens itself every shot. I told him not to do that.
400 Whelen is my favorite; did one two weeks ago on a Savage Axis. Shoots .5 MOA.
But a short rimless 41 mag improved? Just say no.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
And I predict it will be dead in 4 years. Stay tuned and see.
Iowa is one Midwest state that did have a straight wall case law; they have since changed that to any caliber 35 and above. Finally some sense in that state's legislature.
Also, the LAST rifle for a youngster to start out with is an AR. They think they can spray bullets at the deer (base of fire; suppressive fire), instead of concentrating on one good, aimed shot. Again, I see this at our range. Unfortunately it is not just the young ones either.
Anyway, move on; zero use for this loser of a cartridge.
Also, the 35 Buckhammer is not a 35-30-30. Shorter and no shoulder. So, that analogy is invalid.

I hope that is the case in Ohio. Fish and Game here always seems to drag behind everyone else.

The 350 Legend and 400 Legend are reminicent of the 351SL and 401SL cartridges used in Winchester's Model 1907 and Model 1910 Self Loading rifles. The older cartridges are just a tad shorter and operate at lower pressures than the newer rounds. But I bet reproductions of Winchester's Self Loaders could be built taking that into account. Wouldn't that be a treat?

All new rifle cartridges have to work in an AR, or be competitive in PRS competition. Otherwise it's DOA. Meanwhile the ammo companies will make stuff for these rifles and leave the traditional cartridges wanting for factory ammo. Have to admit I resent them for that, even though I handload.

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Originally posted by Grenadier:
The 350 Legend and 400 Legend are reminicent of the 351SL and 401SL cartridges used in Winchester's Model 1907 and Model 1910 Self Loading rifles. The older cartridges are just a tad shorter and operate at lower pressures than the newer rounds. But I bet reproductions of Winchester's Self Loaders could be built taking that into account. Wouldn't that be a treat?

Now we are on to something

Well, with the 350 Legend, 360 buckhammer, and now 400 Legend, the trendline is quite clear.

I hearby propose the 45-70 450 Legend. We could give it a 2.10" straight wall case, 2.55" overall length, and of course a rim. Should be about perfect in a lever gun and able to handle bullets from 300 to 500 grains and you could make cases by simply cutting down 45-90 brass. I bet it would take the market by storm.