This is a joke right?

What possible sense would it make to ban say a Fouling piece or a Martini Henry? Are we afraid someone is going to do a drive by with a Merrill Latrobe 50-70? This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If they have one of these guns, are you grandfathered in? If not, are they going to pay you for it?

Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
This is a joke right?

What possible sense would it make to ban say a Fouling piece or a Martini Henry? Are we afraid someone is going to do a drive by with a Merrill Latrobe 50-70? This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If they have one of these guns, are you grandfathered in? If not, are they going to pay you for it?

Dave

See, that's your problem, you think these fools are ever able to make sense.

here is a copy of my letter and email to the sponsor of the Bill. I sent similar to every assemblyperson in NJ.

Dear Assembly Gusciora,



I have devoted my life to the care of others and do so for the most critically-ill of New Jersey as I had done in Rhode Island and New York before as a Professor of Surgery and Medicine at Brown University, Mount Sinai and now UMDNJ. I have also been an avid target shooter of small and large bore firearms as well as those of historical note and am a hunter as well. How, one might ask, can one who saves lives daily be so involved with firearms? Just as a surgeon wields knives with no intent to harm so do sportsmen and women who use firearms for legal sporting events.



I find the Bill A2116 to be a travesty and an affront to all honest, honorable and dedicated sportsmen and sportswomen in this State and our country. I would be happy to present my arguments attesting to that fact to you in person if you are interested. I will say succinctly, that my family comprised of Yodice, Siringo, Sciarrone, Casalaspro, Cascone, Coratolo, Donovan, Wallace, Feldman, Kobel, Riccardi all wonder what possessed you to sponsor such a Bill. None of these firearms have any role in crime in our or any State in our country; their inclusion is simply an attempt to make felons out of law-abiding citizens. I sincerely hope that you will consider my comments as representative of those of many patriotic, devoted, honorable, law-abiding Americans who live in the fine State of New Jersey.



Please contact me at your convenience if you are interested in speaking with me.


Sincerely,



Paul C. Yodice, MD


Paul C. Yodice, MD

Director, Critical Care Services and ICU

Saint Barnabas Medical Center

Associate Professor of Surgery and Medicine

Mount Sinai School of Medicine

University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey

New Jersey Medical School

973 322-2782

973 322-8410 (fax)

Well the 12GaFH is still exempt! Guess I'll have to console myself with that! Hey Paul wanna new gun? Lets see em ban that! There is always the .499 overkill that may just see the light of day now. Perfect for those lazy afternoons in the Newark 7-elevens when you have run out of gas money( due to those same politicians). No matter what they do, I will devote my talents to finding a way around them. God I love bureaucrats!-Rob

Thanks for the effort Paul...

Most guys wouldn't have taken the time.

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Well the 12GaFH is still exempt! Guess I'll have to console myself with that! Hey Paul wanna new gun? Lets see em ban that! There is always the .499 overkill that may just see the light of day now. Perfect for those lazy afternoons in the Newark 7-elevens when you have run out of gas money( due to those same politicians). No matter what they do, I will devote my talents to finding a way around them. God I love bureaucrats!-Rob

I was thinking of renaming the 500 Kill All to the bore size but the Libidiots as shown here have no limit to their ignorace and stupidity. The answer is to fight them and shame them.

In the interim...use their ignorance against them.

We need to change our big bore guns to reflect gauge size during the dark ages of liberalism.

The 500 A2/500 Nitro is now a 32 gauge ect...

Calculate any bore you want Boomer...

Bore Sizes

True... but the good thing about the ones in service is you dont need any fancy paperwork. the 32 gauge is a great way aroung the idiots. I could potentialy fire a 32 gauge shell in a slightly altered 500 A2 chamber.

Hey just ask them if they can count or not?!?!?

"8" is smaller than "16" isn't it??

"What are you stooopid??"

"Oh yes you're right!! The 2,4,6,8,10,12,etc are all ok....ban those big numbers like 28 & 32"

I actually think naming all our cartridges as guages is a real good idea. That will cause endless confusion amongst the politicians and their familiars. Oh sorry they are not blood sucking creatures of the night are they? Parasites certainly though. Yup lets confuse the hell out of them. I just love shooting a 12 Ga no. 6 load out of the 12gaFH. Its just a shotgun! Thats what the chamber markings say. It must be true.-Rob

So, the assemblypeople have read my emails but I have no email reponses, no voicemails, no messages left by my secretary - no nothin' in return.
Maybe they don't love me anymore

Can you see if you can get local radio or tv stations to hear you out and give the opposing point of view to their idiocy???

They never loved you Doc!! They are totally indifferent to the will of their constituents.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Can you see if you can get local radio or tv stations to hear you out and give the opposing point of view to their idiocy???

I wouldn't try that. I have been on television, radio and newsprint plenty, but only for medical stuff about which the media wanted to get a "scoop" or to debate a colleague about some medical device or medication.
In this case, there is too great a chance that some "snippet" will be taken out of context and used against us. The media are predominantly leftist and would never allow a right-minded person to present a cogent argument.

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Originally posted by Macifej:
They never loved you Doc!!

and never bought me flowers or dinner. Damn, I feel so ... used

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Can you see if you can get local radio or tv stations to hear you out and give the opposing point of view to their idiocy???

I wouldn't try that. I have been on television, radio and newsprint plenty, but only for medical stuff about which the media wanted to get a "scoop" or to debate a colleague about some medical device or medication.
In this case, there is too great a chance that some "snippet" will be taken out of context and used against us. The media are predominantly leftist and would never allow a right-minded person to present a cogent argument.

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Originally posted by Macifej:
They never loved you Doc!!

and never bought me flowers or dinner. Damn, I feel so ... used

Maybe do the old fashiones whitness protection black out thing and a voice modulator... Damn we have gone too far in the wrong direction!!!

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
I actually think naming all our cartridges as guages is a real good idea. That will cause endless confusion amongst the politicians and their familiars. Oh sorry they are not blood sucking creatures of the night are they? Parasites certainly though. Yup lets confuse the hell out of them. I just love shooting a 12 Ga no. 6 load out of the 12gaFH. Its just a shotgun! Thats what the chamber markings say. It must be true.-Rob

Ok...

The 577 BME is basicly a belted 28 gauge topped with a 577 bullet.

So, under Komunism the 577 BME is a belted 28 Gauge 3". A single loaded 28 Gauge shell can be smithed to single load chamber and fire a 28 gauge shell but obviously in a 577 barrel. I need to get a headstamp die to read 28 gauge 3".

PHEW! glad I can hunt Africa with my 28 gauge

The 550 Magnum is now a belted 32 gauge 3" topped with A 550 bullet with a 550 barrel. and the 550 express is a 32 gauge 2 1/2" more or less.

Go and hunt those elephants with yer shotguns fellas!

Here is the only response I have received to date. I will fashion a very supportive and appreciative response and ask her how I can assist her on this subject as well as others of interest to both of us. I would ask you to consider sending her an email of appreciation even if not in NJ or in her district. We need to support those who support us and our rights.

Dear Dr. Yodice:



Thank you for contacting my office regarding A2116, a bill that would ban many firearms used by hunters, target shooters and historical re-enactors throughout New Jersey.



As you may know, I voted against the bill in committee, and was the only member of the Assembly Judiciary Committee to do so. This bill, despite claims made by the sponsor and by the advocacy groups in favor of the legislation, would significantly impact the ability of law-abiding citizens to use their firearms for recreational and competition purposes.



The bill also does not take into account the historical or sentimental value of certain firearms, and would prohibit an owner from transferring certain rifles, muzzleloaders and other .50 caliber or greater firearms to their relatives through their wills.



I know about responsible firearms ownership because members of my family are avid outdoorsmen. I appreciate the premium New Jersey’s licensed firearms owners place on safety. Enacting this legislation would not increase public safety and the cost and burden it would place on firearms owners would be too onerous.



Again, thank you for your concern on this legislation and I will continue to keep you updated on this bill’s progress through the Legislature.



Sincerely,









Assemblywoman Caroline Casagrande

12th Legislative District

Surprising response and good stuff.

I'll send a letter to her next week...

Hey Rob...

If you add a rim to the chamber of your 600 OK you could fire a 24 gauge shell in it right?



It is a 24 gauge with a 600 barrel.

This might help out CCMDoc in NJ

Macifej,
Please send a letter now. This has moved one step forward.

What's changed in the last few days??

FYI - the same types of nonsensical initiatives are making their way through the House of Reprehensibles here in Kaliforniastan.

http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article44382.htm
Passed Committee vote 5-1.

I wish this were a joke. Bill text is available here.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A2500/2116_I1.PDF

Language is weird: explanation claims it excludes traditional muzzleloaders, underhammer fired guns, etc... By my reading it explicitly INCLUDES them, as well as everything else *except* shotguns.

Dan

I read the thing three times earlier in the week. That is some whacky stuff for sure. The thing I would like to know most about these kinds of leislation is who comes up with the idea and why??

Seriously - what is the sponsor really thinking he/she is doing?? What is their ultimate goal with this type of legislation??

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Seriously - what is the sponsor really thinking he/she is doing?? What is their ultimate goal with this type of legislation??

In politics, especially in this state, it's all about getting your name on something, media exposure and fame - nothing about doing what is right or what your constituents want - except for the single Assemblywoman - Casagrande - who was the sole dissenter and the only person to write back to me.

CCMDoc, what ranges do you frequent here in NJ? I live out in Califon, and just became a member at Shongum. I also shoot sporting clays at Lehigh Valley. Just curious...

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Originally posted by johnnyreb:
CCMDoc, what ranges do you frequent here in NJ? I live out in Califon, and just became a member at Shongum. I also shoot sporting clays at Lehigh Valley. Just curious...

Actually haven't joined a club here yet but plan to join CJRPC. I usually just go to family place in Ulter County, NY. Central Jersey has their "new member" meeting the third wednesday of the month and I always seem to remember on Thursday. How far are your ranges from me in Westfield? What distances and any caliber limitations?
Thanks

CCMDoc, since I just became a member at Shongum, I will direct you to their web site...

www dot shongum dot org

They have outdoor centerfire rifle to 100 yards, outdoor pistol, trap, indoor pistol, tree stands for deer hunting, etc. I joined them because of the centerfire range, which seems to rare here in NJ. I used to live in PA, and went to the ranges at the state game lands where centerfire ranges are common, and free.

And as a non NJ native who lives here, I send in my emails on the different proposed laws, but it seems that they fall on blind eyes. I hope after US v. Heller comes back the way we hope it does, the stupid NJ FPID gets challenged because of the waiting period (11 months for me when I moved to the state)...

I think the inbreeding between the Kalifornia and NJ legislators has be ended. Mental retardation is definately a dominant trait and being expressed right in front of us. I pity those of us who are forced tolive and work in those states. Thats why I made the decision to move to NV. I sleepbetter now.-Rob

Just wrote to Assemblywoman Casagrande thanking her for her support and pointing out that today's Supreme Court ruling on the DC handgun ban as unconsititutional District of Columbia v Heller ruling 6-26-08 should be the cornerstone of all further arguments against A2116.
I realize that this is not the Politics forum, but I think we all need to make an effort to utilize any momentum gained by this ruling to prevent further idiocy.