Rob the 600 overkill made NJ list of possible banned guns

** Included at the bottom of this email is a partial list of banned guns **

The Judiciary Committee will meet Thursday morning and could put into motion an effort to ban certain firearms that you own.

Touted as a ban on .50 caliber and larger firearms, A2116 assaults New Jersey sportsmen by banning dozens of models of popular hunting guns, including traditional .50 caliber muzzle loaders with synthetic stocks, fiber optic sights, or scopes in lieu of sights. Such guns with sights not actually made of iron are also in question due to A2116’s unclear wording.

A2116, sponsored by Assemblyman Reed Gusciora (D-15), also bans hundreds of historical American firearms and replicas, including those from the Revolutionary War and Civil War eras. A2116 is a slap in the face to collectors, historians, and the patriots who used these firearms to win the very freedoms this legislation now seeks to take away.

A2116 also wrongly demonizes the .50 BMG rifle, which is not used in criminal activity, but which is regularly used by law-abiding citizens for precision target shooting, competition, and collection. The legislation makes the fundamental mistake of banning guns based on the size of the barrel rather than punishing criminal behavior.

Please contact the members of the Assembly Judiciary Committee IMMEDIATELY by email, phone, and/or fax and respectfully urge them to OPPOSE A2116!

Members of the Assembly Judiciary Committee:

Assemblywoman Linda Greenstein (D-14), Chair
AswGreenstein@njleg.org
Phone: 609-395-9911
Fax: 609-395-9032

Assemblyman Peter Barnes, III (D-18), Vice Chair
AsmBarnes@njleg.org
Phone: 732-548-1406
Fax: 732-548-1623

Assemblywoman Caroline Casagrande (R-12)
AswCasagrande@njleg.org
Phone: 732-866-1695
Fax: 732-866-4262

Assemblyman Reed Gusciora (D-15)
AsmGusciora@njleg.org
Phone: 609-292-0500
Fax: 609-633-2179

Assemblywoman Amy Handlin (R-13)
AswHandlin@njleg.org
Phone: 732-787-1170
Fax: 732-787-0356

Assemblywoman Grace Spencer (D-29)
AswSpencer@njleg.org
Phone: 973-624-1730
Fax: 973-589-0716

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PARTIAL LIST OF GUNS BANNED BY A2116

Traditional Muzzleloaders Banned by A2116
A2116 bans all traditional muzzle loading rifles with synthetic stocks or fiber optic sights – the most common, popular, and safe traditional muzzle loaders currently used for hunting by New Jersey sportsmen. A partial list of popular muzzle loaders that would be banned by A2116 follows:

Buckskinner flintlock Carbine (.50)
CVA Greywolf percussion (.50)
CVA Greywolf flintlock (.50)
CVA Lynx percussion (camo) (.50)
CVA Lynx percussion (camo) (.54)
CVA Bobcat Hunter percussion (.50)
CVA Bobcat Hunter percussion (.54)
CVA Lone Wolf percussion (.50)
CVA Timber Wolf percussion (.50)
CVA Silver Wolf percussion (.50)
CVA Silver Wolf percussion (.54)
Deer Hunter percussion (blue) (.50)
Deer Hunter flintlock (blue) (.50)
Deer Hunter percussion (camo) (.50)
Deer Hunter flintlock (blue) (.50)
Pursuit XLT flintlock (camo) (.50)
Pursuit XLT flintlock (blue) (.50)
Pursuit XLT flintlock (nickel) (.50)
Stone Mountain Silver Eagle percussion carbine (.50)
Stone Mountain Silver Eagle percussion (.50)
Thompson Center Black Mountain Magnum percussion (.50)

Thompson Center Black Mountain Magnum percussion (.54)

Thompson Center Firestorm percussion (.50)
Thompson Center Firestorm flintlock (.50)
Thompson Center Firestorm percussion (.54)
Thompson Center Firestorm flintlock (.54)
Thompson Center Greyhawk (.50)
Thompson Center Greyhawk (.54)
Thompson Center New England percussion (.50)
Thompson Center New England flintlock .50
Thompson Center New England percussion (.54)
Thompson Center New England flintlock (.54)
Thompson Center Tree Hawk percussion (.50)
Traditions Deer Hunter flintlock (.50)
Traditions Deer Hunter percussion (.50)
Traditions Pellet flintlock (.50)
Traditions PA Pellet flintlock (nickel) (.50)
Traditions PA Pellet flintlock (blue) (.50)
Traditions Panther percussion (.50)
Traditions Panther percussion (.54)


A2116 may also ban hundreds of other traditional muzzle loaders whose sights are not actually made of iron, or which contain a scope in lieu of iron or peep sights.
Because A2116 redefines many hunting firearms as “destructive devices,†the legislation prevents the heirs of those who currently own these firearms from inheriting them as family heirlooms.

Modern Guns Banned by A2116
In addition to banning many traditional muzzle loading rifles, historical firearms, and the .50 BMG, A2116 would ban many modern firearms, including the following partial list:

Examples of Banned Modern Hunting Rifles Under A2116

.50 Alaskan
.50 Peacekeeper
.500 Jeffrey
.50 Nitro
.500 Nitro Express
.600 Nitro Express
.550 Nitro Express
.577 Nitro Express
.700 Nitro Express
.500 50 Express
.510 Fat Mac
.6-577 Rewa
.50 Beowolf
.500 Black Powder Express
.500 A-Square
.505 Gibbs
.500-465 Express
.510 Whisper
.505 Nyati
.577 T-Rex
.510 DTC
.550 Magnum
.50 Airgun
.600 Overkill
12.7 x 99mm
14.5mm JDJ
12.7 x 108 mm
15.2 Steyr
14.5 x 114mm

Examples of Banned Modern Hunting& Target HandgunsUunder A2116

.50 Remington Single Shot RF
.50 Remington Single Shot CF
AMT Auto Mag
Bowen Classic Arms .500 Linebaugh Revolver
Guncrafter Industries M1
Freedom Arms Model 555
LAR Grizzly Win Mag
Magnum Research Desert Eagle
Magnum Research BFR Revolver
Smith & Wesson 500 Revolver
Smith & Wesson 500 Special Revolver
Tanfoglio Thor-Raptor Single Shot
Taurus Raging Bull 500 Revolver
Thompson Center Encore .50 Single Shot
Webley Boxer Revolver
Zeliska .600 Nitro Express revolver
Historical Firearms, Antiques and Replicas Banned by A2116
A2116 bans hundreds of historical firearms, antiques and replicas. Though proponents of A2116 claim that the legislation targets only the .50 bmg rifle, this legislation is in reality a sweeping gun ban that would criminalize the possession, transfer, and inheritance of dozens of firearms other than the .50 bmg and the hunting guns mentioned above, including many collectible Revolutionary War through post-Civil War era firearms and replicas and antiques that are not even remotely similar to the .50 bmg.
Following is a partial list of collectible historical firearms, antiques and replicas that would be banned by A2116. It is ironic that many of these firearms were used by early American patriots to win the very freedoms that A2116 seeks to take away:

1842 Springfield (.69)
1868 U.S. Springfield (.50/70)
Allen Conversion (.50/70)
Ballard Rifle (.50/70)
Brown Bess Musket (.75)
Brown Bess Trade Model (.75)
British Officer’s Light Infantry Fusil (.67)
Bullard Single Shot (.50)
Cadet 1869 (50-70)
Charleyville Pistol (.69)
Charleyville 1777 French Rifle (.69)
Charleyville 1766 Musket (.69)
CVA Blunderbuss (.69)
Colt Laidley (.50)
Colt Lightning (.50/95)
English Matchlock (.72)
Evans Musket (.69)
Gun Works English Sporting Rifle (.62)
Gun Works English Sporting Rifle (.69)
Harper’s Ferry Musket (.69)
Joslyn 50-60
Kodiak Express Double Rifle (.72)
Marlin Carbine (.56/56)
Martini Henry (.577)
Maynard .50-70
Maynard Carbine (.50)
Merrill Latrobe (.50/70)
Middlesex Village Long Land
Middlesex Village Ship’s Carbine flintlock (.75)

Middlesex Village 1717 French Army Musket flintlock (.69)

Middlesex Village Cookson Fouling Piece (.70)

Middlesex Village Doglock blunderbuss (.69)

Middlesex Village Scottish Murdoch Pistol (.52)

Middlesex Village 1773 French Cavalry Pistol (.69)

Navy Arms British Dragoon Pistol (.614)
October Country Muzzle Loading Light American Sporting Rifle (.62)
October Country Muzzle Loading Eight Bore Double Heavy Rifle (.85)
October Country Muzzle Loading Heavy Rifle (.85)
October Country Muzzle Loading Heavy Rifle (1.00)
Pacific Rifle Company African Zephyr Twelve Bore (.72)
Pacific Rifle Company African Zephyr Twelve Bore (.83)
Pedersoli 1777 Corrige Anno IX Musket (.69)
Pedersoli 1777 Corrige Anno IX Dragoon Musket (.69)
Pedersoli 1789 Austrian Infantry Musket (.69)
Pedersoli 1809 Prussian (.75)
Pedersoli 1816 Harper’s Ferry (.60)
Pedersoli 1848 Springfield (.69)
Pedersoli Fredericksburg Musket (.75)
Pedersoli Kodiak Express SxS Double Rifle (.72)
Perry Brass Frame Carbine (.50)
Ranger Carbine flintlock (.75)
Remington Rolling Block Rifle (.50)
Remington Rolling Block Carbine (.50)
Remington .50-45
Remington .50 Rimfire
Remington .50 Center Fire
Remington 50-70
Remington Hepburn .50-45
Roberts (.58)
Robertson Carbine (.52)
Sharps 1853 (.52)
Sharps 1855 (.52)
Sharps 1855 (.577)
Sharps 1859 (.50/70)
Sharps 1859 (.52/70)
Sharps 1863 (.50/70)
Sharps 1863 (.52/70)
Sharps 1865 (.52)
Sharps 1867 (.50/70)
Sharps 1867 (.52/70)
Sharps 1870 (.50-70)
Sharps 1874 (.50)
Sharps 51-40
Sharps Hankins 1861 (.52)
Snider Carbine (.577)
Spencer Rifle (.50)
Spencer Rifle (.52)
Spencer Rifle (.56)
Spencer Carbine (.50)
Spencer Carbine (.52)
Spencer Carbine (.56)
Tarpley Carbine (.52)
U.S. 1816 Musket (.69)
Whitney (.50/95)
Whitney-Laidley (.50)
Whitney Musket (.69)
Whitney Phoenix (.50)
Winchester Single Shot (.50)
Winchester Hi-wall (.50)
Winchester 1876 (.50-95)
Winchester 1886 (.50 express)
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I smell BS!!

Got a link??

http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article44318.htm
I hope it will be BS the muzzle loader part has me worried.

You'd have to be a Galctic caliber Moron as a legislator to ban the stuff on that list and not handguns along with anythiong else that burns powder. I'll look at the link.

Macifej, that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. It is almost like they care about the 2nd amendment.

The problem with these Little Monkey States Like New Joyzee and Louisiana where I'm from is that there is no one with an IQ over 95 in charge of anything. Until we get busy and take our government back from these cognitively challenged Queens, we will be subject to their estrogen driven histrionic whims.

So start by running for a local office and move up from there. Look at the Ghetto Monkey Obama...a thug from the hood, a bastard, the devil incarnate....he's running for the highest office in the land.

What a pathetic condition....

Idiocy and power...dangerous. This must be stopped in its tracks!

Funny how the 495 A2 is not on there... and what is a 550 Nitro?

Is this list a proposal for a state gun law?
Land of the free 2nd Amendment

Cheers,

André

as well as the 550 magnum and 550 nitro (flanged)
They Got Rob, Neal, and Me on this list .. at least I am in good company.

at least the 550 express and 500 AR are not on it! (yet)

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Originally posted by JefferyDenmark:
Is this list a proposal for a state gun law?
Land of the free 2nd Amendment

Cheers,

André

Slow down, Andre, not all states are trying to usurp their residents' right. Where I live you can be cited for not carrying.......

I am curious, why list the 500-465, is the 500 limit not in relation to bore size only?

I am un the UK so used to overly zealous gun laws but a 500-465 aint a 500 bore unless I am missing the point??!!

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Posted 12 June 2008 09:19 Hide Post
You'd have to be a Galctic caliber Moron as a legislator to ban the stuff on that list and not handguns along with anythiong else that burns powder. I'll look at the link.

Is there any other kind??

so
it looks like you can keep your muzzle loader but your kids cannot inherit them?
ban them now ban them later what is the difference.

quote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Tomlinson:
I am curious, why list the 500-465, is the 500 limit not in relation to bore size only?

I am un the UK so used to overly zealous gun laws but a 500-465 aint a 500 bore unless I am missing the point??!!

They (probably) included it because they're to stupid to know that it's a .465 bullet in a necked down (IIRC) 500 Nitro case. IOW the way the Brits put the parent case first and the caliber second messed with their little minds.

I have to think that who every is the author of this crap got a summer intern to do an internet search for large caliber guns. They spend all of a hour making this crap up and then sell it as a large research project.

CCMDoc better hurry on his 585's!!

Oh Well,Looks like the Safarikid isn't relocating to "New Jersky" in this lifetime!What a bunch of Morons!

The list was made up by someone on another forum who interpreted the proposed effects.

That is not a list furnished by the Bill's Sponsor. The bill does not list specific cartridges over 50 it refers to ALL cartridges at or over 50.

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Originally posted by .366torque:
CCMDoc better hurry on his 585's!!

EXACTLY what I was thinking!!!

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID: Oh Well,Looks like the Safarikid isn't relocating to "New Jersky" in this lifetime!What a bunch of Morons!

EXACTLY what I was thinking and am already considering where to to go next!!!

50 caliber airgun? Are you kidding? Almost any centerfire cartridge has more energy and penetrating power.

Now you see why I moved out of that godforsaken state many years ago. Nothing good there. Not even the Jersey Shore women. Ugh.

It is amazing what we will put up with from the low life, fucking politicians! They continue to rob of of our money, do noting to aid or help the country, steal money at every turn of the road and we let them. It is high time for a revolution and get rid of these parasites.

quote:

Originally posted by dblrifle:
It is amazing what we will put up with from the low life, fucking politicians! They continue to rob of of our money, do noting to aid or help the country, steal money at every turn of the road and we let them. It is high time for a revolution and get rid of these parasites.

A revolution of $$$

New Jersey. No Joy-See.
Always known as the armpit of the nation, the New Jersey stench is getting worse. Idiots.

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50 caliber airgun? Are you kidding? Almost any centerfire cartridge has more energy and penetrating power.

Yup uh huh. how bout a .458 cast lead 405gr (sound familier) at 800fps. No gun powder Quackenbush Airguns

quote:

Originally posted by Bill C.:

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50 caliber airgun? Are you kidding? Almost any centerfire cartridge has more energy and penetrating power.

Yup uh huh. how bout a .458 cast lead 405gr (sound familier) at 800fps. No gun powder Quackenbush Airguns

this one deserves a thread all in itself...

And here in Norway its banned to apply for license on pistols above 45 cal, only exception is black powder guns now, and license application on rifles above .458 cal must be appoved by either the Police Directorate or the Justice department if you doesnt have a clerk that handles it wel land and approves the license.

Its getting tougher to have big guns here and the Police direcorate, our FBI that is the boss of the weapon license officers, says it to much bog bore guns here, to easy for the criminals to " use them" .

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

quote:

Originally posted by JefferyDenmark:
Is this list a proposal for a state gun law?
Land of the free 2nd Amendment

Cheers,

André

Slow down, Andre, not all states are trying to usurp their residents' right. Where I live you can be cited for not carrying.......

That is god to know but you will have to stay in your state Dand that is a tough one, thay got some nice bears in NJ right?
I know that the US is BIG but laws like gunlaws and other laws that might have a conflict with constitutional rights should be national and not stat regulated. IMHO.

When ever i meet Americans they always tell me how much freedom they have in the US and then ater we compare rights they dont feel so priviledged.
This law proposal seemd like a law of poor quality with very little background knowledge behind it! IMHO

Cheers,

André

I did my calling and voiced my OPPOSITION to the bill A2116.

Andre, it is relative, but when I look at some of the restrictions imposed on many European nations with regards to firearms, we still have it better than anyone, here in the US. I'm not complaining!

I know you have a more loose law especially when it comes to hand guns.
That is just the thing, their are proberly beeing comited more crimes with hand guns then with BIG bore rifles
Regulating big bore sporting rifles and banning Traditional Muzzleloaders seems strange when getting a .45 handgun is still possible.

Cheers,

André

Ah, see you're expecting logic from a Socialist/Communist, who's ALSO a politician -- rational thought and statism are mutually impossible -- something to do w. that Heisenberg fellow, I think...

Same reason why pieces of tool steel get blamed for the first recorded crime, which I believe was committed w. a stick... (The Bible records God as considerably more angry w. Cain than w. the stick...)

What is a Sharps 51-40? At least my Sharps 45-120 is not on the list. LOL Don't tell them that a 50-140 exists.
Obviously these PUPPETS are acting on the assumption that the people that are leading them to do this, know what they are talking about. Sign of the times i guess.

I was born in NJ, got by BS from Rutgers and left for good in a snowstorm in Dec. 1971. I return sporastically at best to visit family and friends. Whenever I do the polution and carcenogenic environment causes my allegies to explode, so my stays there are extremely short. If there ever was a anti gun state NJ is it. I Piss on them now as always. Glad my .600ok gives legislators from that cesspool angina. May their arteries occude and they stroke out in front of their electorate. NJ is a real shithole if there ever was one! Wanna know what I really think?-Rob

Rob... You dont have to be reserved... Tell us how you reeeeely feel

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
I was born in NJ, got by BS from Rutgers and left for good in a snowstorm in Dec. 1971. I return sporastically at best to visit family and friends. Whenever I do the polution and carcenogenic environment causes my allegies to explode, so my stays there are extremely short. If there ever was a anti gun state NJ is it. I Piss on them now as always. Glad my .600ok gives legislators from that cesspool angina. May their arteries occude and they stroke out in front of their electorate. NJ is a real shithole if there ever was one! Wanna know what I really think?-Rob

I wish Rob were wrong, but as usual, he is right on target. I just finished sending another email to Speaker Stender and will follow that with letters.

I never run from a fight and not about to do so with this one. Moving is not an option for me at this time in my life and there is no way I am relinquishing any of my firearms - all purchased legally and brought to NJ in same fashion.

Ridiculous

Obviously a proposal written by an ignorant fool. But typlical of the stuff dreamed up by such ilk. There is never enough critical need to constructively occupy the lunatic fringe we insist on electing to public office..... but some locales semm to have more than their share!!

Paul- I feel for you having to live there and have such a love of big bores. Soon you won't have a pellet gun. Yes there is truth in the fact that the problem lies with us. We elect morons to public office and then wonder why they are true to their genetics. Morons breed Morons. We need look no further than our presidential candidates to establish that fact.-Rob

Gotta love those democraps...jorge