ill be down in huston soon enough i plan on hunting hogs with ron young i cant remember if i fly into huston or dallas he lives in corpus cristie

I think you guys were a bit hard on him, guess the trolls have you guys edgy

I'd say if you want to play with major calibers, there are much better choices than the T-rex.

Having jumped on the bigger is better bandwagon I'd say the one issue that can't be sufficiently expressed is to choose a chambering that has brass you can actually get your hands on whenever you may want some. This really narrows down the field, and the T-rex would be one of the chamberings least likely to have a ready source of brass, due to the scarcity of guns, and the folks that make and import brass.

The biggest practical chambering based on brass and componet bullet availability, incluiding bullet molds and cast bullets is a 50 caliber based on the 460 Weatherby case, aka 500 A-square, 510 Wells etc. This will give you an honest 600 gr @ 2400 fps, and load data claims 2500 fps, which makes it twice as powerful as a 375 H&H, and well over 25% more powerful than a 458 Lott. There are few folks that aren't impressed shooting such loads. One can also go with a long throat to allow the use of 50 bmg projectiles. Thus loaded you get 3/4 the velocity of a 50 bmg but burn only 1/2 the powder.

The next step up is the 550 magnum, this is the same 460 case, but blown nearly straight, and allows you to jump up in bullet weight, power and recoil. Componet bullet selection isn't quite as great as for the 50's.

If you want crazy impressive power than don't mess around, go with a 600 Overkill

quote:

stand in a 'rapier" stance, weight slightly forward

watch the iron sights, as you are going to both state where the sights were and IMMEDIATELY put the gun back on target (trust me, it DOES reduce recoil)

squeeze the trigger.. and ride the ride...

jeffe

Ride the Ride... Well said!

Hey Mississippian,

Just go to the AR classifieds, and buy Invaider66's, Ruger #1 458 Lott. It will more than impress your buddies that they have just shot a LOT of rifle. I bet they think a 7 Rem Mag is almost to much to handle.

Hog Killer

Sorry hog killer but you bet wrong. 300's, a few 338's and a truck load of 45/70's (full house reloads of coarse!)are common here and folks seem to handle them well. The Lott sounds interesting but I have a .416 rem mag on the way from Mark Young. I can get a NIB Ruger #1 in the lott locally for near the same Money and help support my local gunshop at the same time. Thanks for pointing it out though.

As for the trex-I realize its not the baddest,and A-Square rifles are not the most attractive,I didnt realize ASquare rifles were junk,front page in Midway USA lead me to believe the brass and bullets were readily available, Mr Saeed and his friends seem to enjoy it so therefore I considered getting one. Thanks to everyones sound advice Im going to save that money, try and visit mr jeffeosso and take him up on his kind invitation and work my way up the ladder. I had rather have a quality double rifle anyway.

I thought everyone would pick up on my sense of humor along with my genuine interest is the topic otherwise I wouldve toned down the BS. I didnt realize trolls were a problem on a Big Bore rifle forum. Please accept my appologies.

Offer still stands on the plane ride-Even Rob and Fritz.

Ill admit, 600 overkill does sound pretty cool. I could learn to like it!

And thanks Paul H, I needed that! Your post was one of the best contributions to the discussion so far.

does anyone know where I could get a 577 T rex round either live or inert for my collection? I can pay for it of course

please email me at info@35ranch.com

thanks guys!

great read this thread is as well!

Well - some of us can actually shoot the 577 Tyrannosaur. 5-6" offhand at 60 meters is what I can do.
The caliber is wonderfull in my world. The A-Square rifles is another story- POS might be more approbiate!!

To Jeffe and Fritz: I know you are quite fond of the 600 OK. I understand that. I actually consider to have one build. But facts are facts. The 577 has quite a lot more case volume than the 600 OK. I just got an e-mail from Dieter Horneber who, as you all know, have manufactured brass in both calibers. I asked him for the difference in casevolumes in the two calibers. His answer: THE 577 TYRANNOSAUR HAS 29% MORE WATERCAPACITY THAN THE 600 OK !!!!! End of discussion!

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Originally posted by buffalo:
Well - some of us can actually shoot the 577 Tyrannosaur. 5-6" offhand at 60 meters is what I can do.
The caliber is wonderfull in my world. The A-Square rifles is another story- POS might be more approbiate!!

To Jeffe and Fritz: I know you are quite fond of the 600 OK. I understand that. I actually consider to have one build. But facts are facts. The 577 has quite a lot more case volume than the 600 OK. I just got an e-mail from Dieter Horneber who, as you all know, have manufactured brass in both calibers. I asked him for the difference in casevolumes in the two calibers. His answer: THE 577 TYRANNOSAUR HAS 29% MORE WATERCAPACITY THAN THE 600 OK !!!!! End of discussion!

Buffalo,
thanks for the data.

Which one are you building or shooting, or is the situation that you are running numbers and don't utilize any of these?

From a reality prespective, the 600 overkill fits on the CZ or an enfield, without being freakish in modifications.

For the record, please state the water capacities for the 600 and the 585, please. I am DUMBFOUNDED at 29%, and would like to see you math.

you see, the 577 nitro (185gr) is 29% smaller than YOUR posted 235gr of the trex.

please back this with primary numbers


SO, in short.. let's see your rifles, or are you just on the sidelines of these, without actual experience?


So, Buffalo, what big bores do you OWN or have shot?

back to the peanut gallery

jeffe

for whats its worth. It took me many many rounds out of my unbraked 378 weatherby to get me prepared for my unbraked 460 weatherby. And still hit what i'm shooting at. I can't imagine going straight to a big bore.

Jeffe-
I do not want to get into that kind of argumentation - if you do not trust me then fuck off. I do not care. Or ask Dieter himself ( DHorneber@aol.com )

I owned a 577 Trex Hannibal rifle until recently when I sold it. I sold it because I am having another build in this caliber. An fullblown upscaled clone between the pre 64 and M-98 especially suited to the 577 Trex. Build by mastergunsmiths Ragnar and Roger Hansen in Norway. A 16000 USD (+/-) project.
Besides I shoot a custom rifle (CZ 550 based) 416 Wby. I have taken three of the big five and will go for lion (+ two elephants, some buffalos etc) next year. But I quess you do not care - you do not trust me I can see.
Ask 500 grs - he know a norwegiean guy who shoots a 577 trex.....

jeffe,

Give him a chance to answer; he's Google-ing as fast as he can!

George

Ah Think ahm smelling BUFFALO CRAP! Right, We really believe you! You really impress us! -Rob

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Originally posted by buffalo:
Jeffe-
I do not want to get into that kind of argumentation - if you do not trust me then fuck off. I do not care. Or ask Dieter himself ( DHorneber@aol.com )

OKay, so you don't have that data then you are making a supposition.

fine enough.. just wanted to make certain we all understood FACTS.

As for arguementation, if you don't want it, don't start it.

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeS:
jeffe,
Give him a chance to answer; he's Google-ing as fast as he can!
George

George, I hope that you have a current license to hunt trolls!

John

Hey- BUFFALO CRAP- Go look at the reloading pages ON THIS SITE ( Pay attention, Concentrate, FOCUS). Look at the actual data on the T-REX. 900 gr bullet at 2202 FPS. With A-square crap brass in a 1917 welded enfield action you gonna try for more? Please do, before you contaminate the human gene pool further! That's childs play in the .600OK try 900 grs at 2500fps.
George- Didn't ASS-Pretend he hunted BUFFALO? AH smell TROLL.-Rob

Buffalo,

what exactly were the case capacities did deiter tell you? If you don't have those numbers, then you can't have the precentages

or did you just misplace the decimal? you meant 2.9% right?

just to be clear..

trex is TOTALLY maxed out with a 750 at 2500.. probably stupidly maxed

that's 10411ft-lbs


600-Ok IN LATHE TURNED SOFT BRASS (this means you can have case failures if you push it hard)

900 at 2500 fps.. not even trying hard

that's 12493 ft-lbs...

12493-10411 ... 2082ft-lbs MORE

I'll make it really easy

heavier bullet at same speed has more energy...

bigger bullet, with more energy, has high crss sectional density...

bigger diameter, heavier bullet, at same speed, has more IMPACT

why am i NOT surprised you shoot a 416 weathehrby (a VERY high pressure round)..

quote:

Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Hey- BUFFALO CRAP- Go look at the reloading pages ON THIS SITE ( Pay attention, Concentrate, FOCUS). Look at the actual data on the T-REX. 900 gr bullet at 2202 FPS. With A-square crap brass in a 1917 welded enfield action you gonna try for more? Please do, before you contaminate the human gene pool further! That's childs play in the .600OK try 900 grs at 2500fps.
George- Didn't ASS-Pretend he hunted BUFFALO? AH smell TROLL.-Rob

quote:

With A-square

Kinda makes you wonder about a company that can't evrn affored the press's it order's







Thank's A-SQUARE order more press's i like buying them up when you can't ...

Sorry buff dung but you lost all your credibility with me with the 29% number. More than 1/4 move volume . Total buff crap. You're not worth my time to type. A total troll and FOS to boot.

Jeffe and others,
Sorry about all this but I am not a troll. Dieter mailed me that the 577 Trex holds 216 grs water and the 600 OK holds 167 grs water. That is just the numbers Dieter passsed on to me. My 577 trex cases holds 225 grs water after beeing fired once. I do not know about the 600 OK but I assume Dieter knows - after all he made brass for both..

167 gr..

LMAO...
funny.. wrong, but funny


you might try the "sniff" test... (also called the reasonableness test)

if it smells like shite, it probably is.



167s.. son, they put 167 some grains of powder IN the case.


iirc, a 460 weatherby holds 145ish grain..

and you an DROP a 460 weathery INTO a 600 OK case.

The 577 nitro is 185+ grains...


Now, email fritz454, who made the first cacses, and told you it holds about 220 grains (the last time you stirred this) or Rob, who invented the thing, and ask them how much water the 600 overkill holds.

or just read the thread, from 2 weeks ago, were they TOLD you what it holds

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/980109233

in case you forgot.

funny enough , you quote axel.. who is the troll assclown, scott sweet, POS, POSUER, 500ahr, and about 10 other IDs.

hat moron tried to tell Rob (the inventer and only person WITH a 600 at teh time) how it would perform, and then called Rob a lair for rob's results. In other words, you quoted someone known to be a troll and a liar... and like I told you before, you might find out who knows what and owns what before you run your mouth


you should then retract your BS< and perhaps, just maybe, understand what you are talking about before you start posting about it.

Buffalo, in your own words.. you are WRONG.. end of discussion

jeffe

Jeffe, Buddy, Please don't tell this jack ass to email me or write me or call me. I don't want anything to do with this a hole. I would have better luck teaching my dog how much water the 600 OK case holds and he's dead.

I takes a lot to piss me off but this guy's gone and done that. I'm done giving a shit from now on. He can tell the world that the 577 T rex (because it has a cool name) is more powerful than a 105 mm or a 16" battleship gun. I just don't give a rat's ass.

BUFFALO CRAP(or Bullshit)-Since I actually have once fired .600 OK brass, and know how to use a balance, I find it holds 218-220 grs of water depending on trim length. Thats actually slightly more than a T-Rex( as if that matters). What does matter is that a .600OK will always outperform a T-rex in the game fields because of the larger bullet( I'm assuming a T-rex built on a GMA or other reliable action running identical pressures and 900 gr bullets, not a POS Enfield which can't compare). It's other advantage is that it can be built 100% reliably on an inexpensive CZ550. A third is that it has nothing to do with A-Square! A forth is that brass for the .600OK is actually way better than the A-Square crap. I don't believe Dieter Horneber told you anything Different if you talked to him at all. I love your I'm not a TROLL claim. Bullshit! Before you run your mouth off, get your facts straight. Your not talking to a bunch of dummies here!-Rob

So to recap

the 600OK is the baddest thing you can stuff in a normal (define THAT)) bolt gun

the 577 trex is a good also ran, but requires HUGE modifications to either enfields (unsafe or just unsettling)

The 550 magnum is an EASY route to a class 4 stopping rifle on a cz

the 585 nyati has feeding issues

the 550 express is easily do-able on most "standard" magnum actions

the 500 a2/510 wells is the easist super big bore in teh world to make

and when you are talking to the inventors and their friends of these rounds, it's probably best to ASK them, not TELL them what their things do.

oh, yeah, the simple things... 900gr at 2500 is MORE than 750 at 2400..

jeffe

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Originally posted by fritz454:
Jeffe, Buddy, Please don't tell this jack ass to email me or write me or call me. I don't want anything to do with this a hole. I would have better luck teaching my dog how much water the 600 OK case holds and he's dead.

.

sorry john..

buffalo, please do NOT contact these gentlemen.

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by fritz454:
Jeffe, Buddy, Please don't tell this jack ass to email me or write me or call me. I don't want anything to do with this a hole. I would have better luck teaching my dog how much water the 600 OK case holds and he's dead.

I takes a lot to piss me off but this guy's gone and done that. I'm done giving a shit from now on. He can tell the world that the 577 T rex (because it has a cool name) is more powerful than a 105 mm or a 16" battleship gun. I just don't give a rat's ass.

lol john the US navy mains were 16.5 lol
Mains meaning main guns on the BB's Iowa wiscons/ new jery/ etc .. Dont slug me now
and no i dont have a swage press for then lol

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sorry john..

buffalo, please do NOT contact these gentlemen

Totally forgotten Jeffeosso. You da man and some day when you and I finish up the 700 DA I'm sure the armchair experts will be running around like cockroaches when the lights come on "Telling" us that it is for wimps and that a lowly 223 will out penetrate it with military ball ammo. But for certain the meaning of “DA†will apply in spades my friend.

What a complete troll and it took all of 16 posts to prove it. Man we're getting good at weeding these shit holes out.

On a serious note, I do need to get some work done on a bolt action with a .850 dia bolt. I doubt that MRC is going to come through for us. I think we both loose on that one but we will find a way around it. What do you think about going right to a .900 bolt as you know when we get the 700 DA done someone in the group will mention a 3/4" bore and then we'll be back to square one.

Maybe I should go and build a bolt action with a 1.500" dia bolt and a 10" long magazine and bolt pull. That should about cover anything even us big bore nuts are willing to pull the trigger on....well except for Ed maybe.

You know a 1.375 dia bullet say 10,000gr bullet @ at modest 2000 fps using low pressure but if you want to crank it up the velocity can be pushed up in the 3000 fps range maybe more. Hey it’s only 200,000 lb/ft of energy. I doubt we’d get the sporting use exception for that one though. Oh well, one can dream right.

Of course the above is all for laughs we all know only Ray would shoot something like that well Walter as well but only if he was dialed in for it and after a proper voodoo dance and sacrifice on the official tribal elephant skull. You need to see Saeed’s DVDs to understand that one. Only hope Ray is around to “Volunteer†to be the sacrificial subject again.

I'll be working late tonight so I'll try to break free to give a call to chat a bit

Johnny Mac

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You know a 1.375 dia bullet say 10,000gr bullet @ at modest 2000 fps using low pressure but if you want to crank it up the velocity can be pushed up in the 3000 fps range maybe more. Hey it’s only 200,000 lb/ft of energy. I doubt we’d get the sporting use exception for that one though. Oh well, one can dream right.

John and i thought i was nuts making 1.23 diameter for the 2 bore .. what on gods green earth are you two up to with a 1.375 ..Good god man ..you " ARE " Nut's

You are right Martin but the sad part is that I actually fit in around here.

To be clear, I include you in that statement as well.

quote:

Originally posted by fritz454:
You are right Martin but the sad part is that I actually fit in around here.

To be clear, I include you in that statement as well.

John on "our' forum .. i had a small notation added under your name..theres a reason why ..
there are only two of you that got that small noation under your names . there are two others that got diffrent notation's under there names as well . You and there other fellow got theres for being Companys.. the others got theres becouse thay have been doing "it" for years.

quote:

I include you in that statement as well

Now martin, that is going to go straight to my head. Talk abut an ego boost. Well, at least I've got a few more fooled.

Kidding aside, my thanks. I will do whatever I can to help those that truely want to learn.

John

quote:

Originally posted by fritz454:
Now martin, that is going to go straight to my head. Talk abut an ego boost. Well, at least I've got a few more fooled.

Kidding aside, my thanks. I will do whatever I can to help those that truely want to learn.

John

I read the post on the site .
Many thank's for helping out .. As for me i am
" King " of the craftsmen steal lathe


I am so " Good " at braking them that i had thought of sending my name into " Guinness "
as you can see by my highlighting i am such a Pro

Thanks again John and ? do you have any photos of your shop for that board ?

Hey jeffe,

If you want to, send both John and Martin one of my 1.500" projectiles. Show them what "big" really is.

Hog Killer

quote:

Originally posted by Hog Killer:
Hey jeffe,

If you want to, send both John and Martin one of my 1.500" projectiles. Show them what "big" really is.

Hog Killer

you mean your shooting a bullet thats 1.500 in diameter ? dam .. a slug that size would be in the 10.000 + grain weight range

I've got loads of shop pictures. They all are large 1.2 meg or so. I need to resize them all and then figure out how to post them. I used inagestation but it seems that they don't work with the new software.

When I get some time to set aside I'll figure it all out.

Jeff I know you have some picts. If you know how and wouldn't mind could you put up 3 or 4 general pictures until I get it figured out. If you don't have time I certainly understand.

Either way I'll get some pictures posted somehow.

John

Wht are the details to the case and gun that is firing a 1.500 diameter bullet? I'd love to get some details. It must be a real monster to fire. I did some 2100 gr bore riders for a 700 BMG and they are unreal to shoot. RGB shot a few along with PH Paul Zorn. Both were impressed.

I can't imagine the recoil of a 1.5" 10,000 to 12,500 gr slug. It would be something though.

Martin, I'll get some pictures up. What hosting service do you guys use these days for hosting pictures?

John

quote:

Martin, I'll get some pictures up. What hosting service do you guys use these days for hosting pictures?

John

John just go to the gallery on "our"web site and you can uploaded them there ..

If not email me with the pictures and i will upload them to "The " web site

Mississippian,
Isn't that were Jerry Clower was from or somewhere close to there. He came to my town one time so I went to see him. I always thought he was hilarious.

Yeah I knew if you were in the first Gulf War that you would of been on the older version of the M109.

If you want a big gun the hell with the naysayers there not paying for it. There are some good people on here with a lot of experience and then there are some snobs with there nose stuck so far in the air that if they were outside very long when it rained they would drown. It doesnt take long to sort them out though.

Jarrod,
Yes Jerry Clower was from here. Im original from north MS and have been here for 8 years. He had passed away before I moved to Yazoo so I didnt get to hang out with him. I did see him once in Fayetteville, TN. He was a Hoot!

A 55K pound self propelled howitzer standing on its ass after firing a combat powder charge-now thats recoil!

As for your last statement, It didnt take long to notice this.

16.5" main guns on the Iowa class ships. I always thought it was 16". Well now I can go back to bed. I've learned something new.

I would have loved to see one of those being fired but sure would not like to be on the receiving end of a flying VW launched from over 20 miles away and with accuracy that would make you blush.

There is some really great stuff in our military's arsional. Wish I could go ply with some of it.

I'll get some pictures up today Martin.

John


Try this link It worked for me The two rifles there are my 404 Jeff and 505 Gibbs that I got a few months back. The rest show some of the shop plus one of the outside. I'll need to take some more of individual machines to give you some detail but it's a start ..... I hope.


http://photobucket.com/albums/a71/fritz454/?sc=1&multi=2

quote:

Originally posted by fritz454:
16.5" main guns on the Iowa class ships. I always thought it was 16". Well now I can go back to bed. I've learned something new.

I would have loved to see one of those being fired but sure would not like to be on the receiving end of a flying VW launched from over 20 miles away and with accuracy that would make you blush.

There is some really great stuff in our military's arsional. Wish I could go ply with some of it.

I'll get some pictures up today Martin.

John


Try this link It worked for me The two rifles there are my 404 Jeff and 505 Gibbs that I got a few months back. The rest show some of the shop plus one of the outside. I'll need to take some more of individual machines to give you some detail but it's a start ..... I hope.


http://photobucket.com/albums/a71/fritz454/?sc=1&multi=2

During the first gulf war one of the BB's stood off shore and was lobing rounds into the citys outskirts.. i have video of it .. its only about 5 mins long but it was broad cast on CNN head line news at the time.

24 miles is not to shabby for a 16.5 inch deck gun

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