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1.500" @ 100yds on 1/4" steel plate target.
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Hog Killer

What are you using to shoot those 1.5 inch projectiles?

Jeffe-
Sorry but you seem confused.. 2400 f/s / 750 grs bullet is 585 Nyati speeds with average pressures. 577 Trex will give you 2600 f/s with moderate pressures using Vithavuori powder and 2700 f/s with high pressures.
And by the way - I just got a confirmation that 600 OK brass from Dieter Horneber : 167 grs of water and 577 Tyrannosaur: 216 grs of water.
Just facts directly from the man who made the brass.. Sorry if you are disappointed. I can not help it. I am out from now on - all this is enough now.
By the way - Rob says 50 pcs of brass will last a lifetime.. I can imagine.. I quess that you talk a lot more than you shoot..

quote:

Originally posted by buffalo:
Jeffe-
.....
And by the way - I just got a confirmation that 600 OK brass from Dieter Horneber : 167 grs of water and 577 Tyrannosaur: 216 grs of water. .

Buffalo,
The men that designed the thing and turned the first brass have told you the water of the cases. Just like the TROLL you frequently quote, telling Rob how fast the 600 would go... When Rob had the ONLY 600OK working. You are a dolt.

quote:

By the way - Rob says 50 pcs of brass will last a lifetime.. I can imagine.. I quess that you talk a lot more than you shoot..

considering that your only remaining rifle is a 416 weatherby, i have no doubt that you have no experience with reloading low pressure cases,

quote:

Sorry if you are disappointed. I can not help it. I am out from now on - all this is enough now. .

Actually, ulrik, do you feel that you have some sort of "factual authority" and or an unmanagable need for having the last word.

Sorry, buffalo, my only disappointment is your proven decisiveness...., obviously your mind is made up and no FACTS will get in the way of that.

Out from now on? Typical troll tactic.. you'll probably post on this thread by the end of the say... post away troll

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by 700 nitro:
have you been watching army of darkness again.......nosferatu book of the dead...written in blood and bound in human skin

Not that I have any info pertaining to the caliber in question, but the book in Army of Darkness is the Necronomicon(spelling might be off).

BTW if I had the money and a pain fetish I would get a 600 OK built.

quote:

Originally posted by buffalo:
Jeffe-
Sorry but you seem confused.. 2400 f/s / 750 grs bullet is 585 Nyati speeds with average pressures. 577 Trex will give you 2600 f/s with moderate pressures using Vithavuori powder and 2700 f/s with high pressures.
And by the way - I just got a confirmation that 600 OK brass from Dieter Horneber : 167 grs of water and 577 Tyrannosaur: 216 grs of water.
Just facts directly from the man who made the brass.. Sorry if you are disappointed. I can not help it. I am out from now on - all this is enough now.
By the way - Rob says 50 pcs of brass will last a lifetime.. I can imagine.. I quess that you talk a lot more than you shoot..

Buffalo -

I try to keep an open mind and read (and learn) from each author's post, but I think your posts of telling some of folks who are most experienced with the 600 OK that they are wrong/confused/mistaken is just a bunch of antagonistic static in this thread.

Rather than saying something controversial then ducking out for a while, only to pop up later with another "my contact tells me this" kind of a post, why don't you provide links, emails, photos, whatever to support your point?

Until you do, I am afraid your credibility is low in this forum.

Dear Ulrik,
cases volume .577 Tyr.: 216 grs water, .600 OK: 167 grs.

Best regards
Dieter


That is the e-mail I got from Dieter Horneber..

I am not telling anyone what you will get with the 600 OK. I have no first hand experience. I am just telling what I acheive with the 577 Tyr.
The 600 OK is a most impressive round, and as I said I am considering to have one build by AHR on a GMA action - if just all the paperwork will get sortet out importing the beast.

But if hell is loose because I started commenting about jeffes lack of knowledge calculating sec.densities saying the 600 OK shoots a .600" bullet and not a .620" bullet, and that the 600 OK is much more powerfull, will hold more powder etc, etc, etc - then I will quit this forum for sure. Not my intention to be a troll at all.

Thought you had made your last post on the subject... still building our certainity in your verracity.

quote:

Originally posted by buffalo:
...
I am not telling anyone what you will get with the 600 OK. I have no first hand experience. I am just telling what I acheive with the 577 Tyr.

No, you are TRYING to tell us about the 600 as compared to the 577 trex, not facts on the trex. this is NOT a subtle difference

quote:

The 600 OK is a most impressive round, and as I said I am considering to have one build by AHR on a GMA action - if just all the paperwork will get sortet out importing the beast.

Yes, it is the most impressive round you can build on a "normal" action, glad you noticed.

quote:

But if hell is loose because I started commenting about jeffes lack of knowledge calculating sec.densities saying the 600 OK shoots a .600" bullet and not a .620" bullet,

Actually, ulrik, I had an error that i ADMITED the instant it was answered by someone with experience in the round - that means, not you

The SD calcs were correct with the assumption, and then corrected as above. That you choose to jump in on that was your choice. Careful what you ask for, with a challenge.

quote:

and that the 600 OK is much more powerfull,

12400+ lb-ft vs 10400+ lb-ft .. the 600 IS much more powerful.

has a heavier bullet

has a higher SD

has a higher cross-section

fits in a CZ 550 magnum..

unfortunately you don't seem to understand facts

quote:

will hold more powder etc, etc, etc - then I will quit this forum for sure. Not my intention to be a troll at all.

Ulrik,
like i told you the FIRST time you assualted me in public, check your facts. We are asking that you not be a TROLL, .........

Let'

Here are the numbers on the 1.500"

Est. Proj. Wt. 12,250gr = 1 lb 12 oz
Est Velocity 1400 fps
Powder Charge 1094 gr fg = 2 1/2 oz
Gun Weight 256 lbs

Recoil Energy 486 lbs
Recoil Velocity 11 fps

Anything that has the above kind of numbers needs WHEELS., and mine has them.




Hog Killer

Hog Killer, that looks awesome. Where did you get that?

quote:

Originally posted by KennethI:
Hog Killer, that looks awesome. Where did you get that?

I made it.

Hog Killer

Keith,
Mind if I make a stock for it?? I'll make it with a 13" LOP for ya!!!

jeffe

Hog Killer .. did you use shelby tubing for the barrel?

quote:

Originally posted by Hog Killer:
Here are the numbers on the 1.500"

Est. Proj. Wt. 12,250gr = 1 lb 12 oz
Est Velocity 1400 fps
Powder Charge 1094 gr fg = 2 1/2 oz
Gun Weight 256 lbs

Recoil Energy 486 lbs
Recoil Velocity 11 fps

Anything that has the above kind of numbers needs WHEELS., and mine has them.




Hog Killer

I love this place

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Keith,
Mind if I make a stock for it?? I'll make it with a 13" LOP for ya!!!

jeffe

Jeffe,

Go ahead with the stock for it, just make the LOP 15-15 1/2" for you and John. This should cure both of you from being "Recoil Junkies". A crosstie should be big and strong enough for the stock. Just remember to work out before you try to shoulder it, as the barrel alone weighs 114 lbs.

Hog Killer

quote:

Originally posted by MartinPotts:
Hog Killer .. did you use shelby tubing for the barrel?

Martin,

The barrel is 2", sch 160. This has an ID of 1.50" (or a bit more).

Hog Killer

Paul,

Glad you like it. One dream of mine would be to deck mount it on a small ship and go shoot some glaciers. They are pretty slow moving and I think aimed shots would not be to hard. Just need a large enough deck for the five foot of recoil.

Hog Killer

Some day, somebody in this bunch is going to get us all KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Hog Killer:

quote:

Originally posted by MartinPotts:
Hog Killer .. did you use shelby tubing for the barrel?

Martin,

The barrel is 2", sch 160. This has an ID of 1.50" (or a bit more).

Hog Killer

I have the same thing .. made from the same thing i shoot empty cans / frozzen orange juice
/ i fill some with concert. or just use plumber lead wood and pack it .... for over powder wad i used to use my sister shorts
no kidding .. but this has been yearssssss ago.
i never put wheels on it i just dug a hole in the ground at a taper and put it in i used shot sacks to help weight it down.. I remmber every time i set it off it went flipping endo ..
Man thats been like ? 40 years or so ago ..
Now that i think about ... your nuts

quote:

Originally posted by MartinPotts:
John and i thought i was nuts making 1.23 diameter for the 2 bore .. what on gods green earth are you two up to with a 1.375 ..Good god man ..you " ARE " Nut's

Well then, I guess I am in like company. But at least I do not try to shoulder the 1.5"

Hog Killer

quote:

Originally posted by Hog Killer:

quote:

Originally posted by MartinPotts:
John and i thought i was nuts making 1.23 diameter for the 2 bore .. what on gods green earth are you two up to with a 1.375 ..Good god man ..you " ARE " Nut's

Well then, I guess I am in like company. But at least I do not try to shoulder the 1.5"

Hog Killer

I remmber one time i went to set up the cannon and found that i had forgot to buy any fuse.. so i just used scotch Tape i put the BP on the tape.. other then that i used whisle wire..and a battery...... You know ? some were out in the
Ocean there a fish with a real bad head ack..
...

Dam how old are you ...Wiat dont answer that it will scare me even more

50

Hog Killer

quote:

Originally posted by Hog Killer:
50

Hog Killer

Gezzz another 50's baby I gues we can blame it on Ike i am just a we bit older ..Enough to have been in rock fights with you but not enough to know any better

still trying to figure out how I leverage a 156# barrel to the shoulder...

think i want it free hanging... so it won't kick me as hard as if was on a bench...

John,
If I shoot it the first time, will you the second? (assuming it doesn't tear my aeorta?

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
still trying to figure out how I leverage a 156# barrel to the shoulder...

think i want it free hanging... so it won't kick me as hard as if was on a bench...

John,
If I shoot it the first time, will you the second? (assuming it doesn't tear my aeorta?

jeffe

You can mount two coil springs to a two peice stock this has been done with 40 MM's so thay can be shoulder fired but you go first .
I hear the recoil is really weird feeling.
And not all that much fun..

Martin,

heh, springs... I could just weld 3 coil springs together (to get enough height) and bounce it, hoping to time the fuse with the barrel just coming DOWN from apex...

bounce ...bounce... bounce... KABOOM@@@@@

it would be a slow motion flip, though, as it's "only" 11fps... and 486 lbs-ft!!


Keith,
I reckon we'll have to call it TIGGER.. sprong sprong!!

can we start with a reduced load? say an empty tomato paste can and 1/2 oz of powder?

jeffe

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Originally posted by MartinPotts:

quote:

Originally posted by fritz454:
16.5" main guns on the Iowa class ships. I always thought it was 16". Well now I can go back to bed. I've learned something new.

I would have loved to see one of those being fired but sure would not like to be on the receiving end of a flying VW launched from over 20 miles away and with accuracy that would make you blush.

There is some really great stuff in our military's arsional. Wish I could go ply with some of it.

I'll get some pictures up today Martin.

John


Try this link It worked for me The two rifles there are my 404 Jeff and 505 Gibbs that I got a few months back. The rest show some of the shop plus one of the outside. I'll need to take some more of individual machines to give you some detail but it's a start ..... I hope.


http://photobucket.com/albums/a71/fritz454/?sc=1&multi=2

During the first gulf war one of the BB's stood off shore and was lobing rounds into the citys outskirts.. i have video of it .. its only about 5 mins long but it was broad cast on CNN head line news at the time.

24 miles is not to shabby for a 16.5 inch deck gun

It says

Welcome to your dedicated content hosting solution.You must first sign in to update your account!

Could not view the pic's

Martin

Some small world I have pictures of that Battleship loading the Bullets and powder canisters from the Ship I was on just before she went to fire them.

Maybe that is how I got hooked on big bores

RNS

quote:

Originally posted by RNS:

quote:

Originally posted by MartinPotts:

quote:

Originally posted by fritz454:
16.5" main guns on the Iowa class ships. I always thought it was 16". Well now I can go back to bed. I've learned something new.

I would have loved to see one of those being fired but sure would not like to be on the receiving end of a flying VW launched from over 20 miles away and with accuracy that would make you blush.

There is some really great stuff in our military's arsional. Wish I could go ply with some of it.

I'll get some pictures up today Martin.

John


Try this link It worked for me The two rifles there are my 404 Jeff and 505 Gibbs that I got a few months back. The rest show some of the shop plus one of the outside. I'll need to take some more of individual machines to give you some detail but it's a start ..... I hope.


http://photobucket.com/albums/a71/fritz454/?sc=1&multi=2

During the first gulf war one of the BB's stood off shore and was lobing rounds into the citys outskirts.. i have video of it .. its only about 5 mins long but it was broad cast on CNN head line news at the time.

24 miles is not to shabby for a 16.5 inch deck gun

It says

Welcome to your dedicated content hosting solution.You must first sign in to update your account!

Could not view the pic's

Martin

Some small world I have pictures of that Battleship loading the Bullets and powder canisters from the Ship I was on just before she went to fire them.

Maybe that is how I got hooked on big bores

RNS

Its one very ! loud SOB ..Is that were thay got the term ... Rock and Roll

Martin

quote:

Originally posted by Hog Killer:
Here are the numbers on the 1.500"

Est. Proj. Wt. 12,250gr = 1 lb 12 oz
Est Velocity 1400 fps
Powder Charge 1094 gr fg = 2 1/2 oz
Gun Weight 256 lbs

Recoil Energy 486 lbs
Recoil Velocity 11 fps

Anything that has the above kind of numbers needs WHEELS., and mine has them.




Hog Killer

Moutain Howitzer? Hotchkiss Gun?
Way Cool!

Martin

I called in fire support fron the New Jersey's
16 in guns. We were a little less than 650 meters from target. We were digging with our fingers. Sounds like a train in the air. Got
6 rds. I think 800 met is danger close mission.
That thing lights up the sky. It was 2 am and it was 10-15 clicks off shore. I can still feel
the shock.

quote:

Originally posted by invader66:
Martin

I called in fire support fron the New Jersey's
16 in guns. We were a little less than 650 meters from target. We were digging with our fingers. Sounds like a train in the air. Got
6 rds. I think 800 met is danger close mission.
That thing lights up the sky. It was 2 am and it was 10-15 clicks off shore. I can still feel
the shock.

Semper Fi

Rip,

That just my attemp to have a bigger toy to play with. As for type, it is a 1.5" ML gun, with a 6' barrel smooth bore.

Mountian Howitzers are short barreled, large bore, firing at a high angle. The Hotchkiss guns were breechloading. Anything made nowdays loading from the breech with that size bore gets called a D.Device. I use to collect arti. cases and projs, had both the one and two pdr. Hotchkiss, really neat looking rounds. My collection got to 180 different Types of rounds over .50BMG to 21cm German Howitzer.

Martin,

Navel guns were know by both their bore size and barrel lenght. IE: 3" 50cal, was a 3" bore with a barrel 50 X 3" in length, so 150" barrel. The 5" 38cal., 5" bore and 5" X 38 = 190" barrel. There were at least 3 different 3" guns, 23cal., 50cal., and 70 cal. The only thing simular bewteen them is bore size, cases projectiles were all different.

As for the 16" guns of the Iowa Class Battleships, they were/are 16" 50cal. That means 16" bore and barrels of 16" X 50 = 800" or 66.6666' long, not 16.5". It is one of the details that I learned from my father who was in the Navy in WWII. (and confirmed from other sources)

Hog Killer

quote:

Originally posted by Hog Killer:
Rip,

That just my attemp to have a bigger toy to play with. As for type, it is a 1.5" ML gun, with a 6' barrel smooth bore.

Mountian Howitzers are short barreled, large bore, firing at a high angle. The Hotchkiss guns were breechloading. Anything made nowdays loading from the breech with that size bore gets called a D.Device. I use to collect arti. cases and projs, had both the one and two pdr. Hotchkiss, really neat looking rounds. My collection got to 180 different Types of rounds over .50BMG to 21cm German Howitzer.

Martin,

Navel guns were know by both their bore size and barrel lenght. IE: 3" 50cal, was a 3" bore with a barrel 50 X 3" in length, so 150" barrel. The 5" 38cal., 5" bore and 5" X 38 = 190" barrel. There were at least 3 different 3" guns, 23cal., 50cal., and 70 cal. The only thing simular bewteen them is bore size, cases projectiles were all different.

As for the 16" guns of the Iowa Class Battleships, they were/are 16" 50cal. That means 16" bore and barrels of 16" X 50 = 800" or 66.6666' long, not 16.5". It is one of the details that I learned from my father who was in the Navy in WWII. (and confirmed from other sources)

Hog Killer

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Wisconsin fires her 16" guns during Desert Storm

Class: Iowa Battleship
Launched: 7 December 1943
At: Philadelphia Navy Yard, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Commissioned: 16 April 1944

Length: 887 feet, 3 inches
Beam: 108 feet, 3 inches
Draft: 37 feet, 9 inches
Displacement: 57,500 tons
Armament: (1988) Nine 16"/50 cal. guns; twelve 5"/38 cal. guns; 32 armored Tomahawk missile launchers; 16 Harpoon missile launchers; and four 20 mm Phalanx CIWS Gatling-type guns

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USS Wisconsin (BB-64), one of the four Iowa-class battleships, began her career in the middle of World War II. Wisconsin reported for duty with the Pacific Fleet in October 1944. The powerful new warship joined Admiral William F. Halsey's 3rd Fleet when the liberation of the Philippines was underway. The battleship helped neutralize Japanese sea, air and ground forces occupying the islands. Wisconsin was reassigned to the 5th Fleet in February 1945 and supported the landings on Iwo Jima and Okinawa. The battleship's brief but active World War II career concluded with the transport of war-weary GI's back to the U.S. during operation Magic Carpet.

Wisconsin entered the Atlantic Reserve Fleet at Norfolk in 1948, only to be recommissioned in March 1951 for the Korean War. She steamed to the Pacific and assumed her station as flagship for Vice Admiral H. M. Martin, Commander, 7th Fleet. The battleship provided gunfire support for American, Korean and other United Nations troops on the Korean peninsula until relieved by her sister-ship Iowa in April 1952.

Wisconsin embarked on a series of training missions in the ensuing years. A 1956 collision with USS Eaton (DD-510) damaged the battleship's bow. In a novel repair technique, the bow of the uncompleted battleship Kentucky was grafted on the old battleship in only 16 days at Norfolk Naval Shipyard.

Wisconsin once again entered the inactive fleet in 1958, where she remained until 1988, when she was reactivated. The ship carried new Tomahawk and Harpoon missiles in addition to her 16-inch guns when she steamed to the Persian Gulf in 1990 for Operation Desert Storm. After effective use of missiles and high explosives in the desert conflict, the battleship returned home to be decommissioned for the third time in September 1991.

Wisconsin was moved to a berth at Nauticus, in downtown Norfolk on December 7, 2000 and is in the care of the Hampton Roads Naval Museum. The battleship's formal opening took place on April 16, 2001, the 57th anniversary of her initial commissioning. Because Wisconsin is still a mobilization asset, a candidate for reactivation, environmental control systems remain in operation for the preservation of interior spaces and equipment. For this reason, visitation is limited almost entirely to exterior portions of the ship on the main deck and above. Extensive exhibits interpreting "Wisky" are available for viewing in NAUTICUS and the Hampton Roads Naval Museum. Admission to the Hampton Roads Naval Museum and ship is free.

Seems you are right ..

Martin

I was a contractor on the Mo and the Wisconsin during the first gulf war. You can only be there to describe this:



Or this:



I need to get my pics scanned someday, seeing this is no substitute for feeling and hearing it real time.

Hi guys,
It's been awhile since I've stopped by here. If anyone's interested I still have my 600 OK for sale, and it's still unfired. I just can't get away to do much of anything these past 6 months. My father, on the other hand is retired and was talking about getting a new shotgun for pheasants... I thought I'd try to free up some funds and surprise him... hence I'm pushed to try to sell again. I need to try gunbroker, but I haven't messed with it yet.

I was hoping to get $2,750 a while back. This is negotiable and I do have cases (50). Just email me at
villachaise@hotmail.com if you're interested.

PS: Sorry to hi-jack the thread. I have tried the 577 T-Rex; yep it's powerful but it's also very ugly!

[ QUOTE]Originally posted by schromf:
I was a contractor on the Mo and the Wisconsin during the first gulf war. You can only be there to describe this:



Or this:



I need to get my pics scanned someday, seeing this is no substitute for feeling and hearing it real time.[/QUOTE]

FANTASTIC shots!!!

Try this link for a bit of up close and personal:

Missouri firing her guns: Pictures taken from the bow

The broad side at the end, looks like they fire all guns at once...WOW

I just get this video, in my head, of the Mo used against gangs in East LA...I can only dream. Mexican Mafia, here we come...

Here's the Missouri in Desert Storm...

Looks like a full on TV show on the Missouri...

IIRC, didn't the Mo shoot 2700 pound HE rounds, at at around 2900 fps? AP rounds, 2900 pounds R 2700 FPS?
Cost is a million dollars a day to run? Needs nuclear power.;-/

Mighty Mo Videos

Feel free to browse the above for fantastic videos of the Mo in action...

GS

PS

The Mo was so accurate, that hostiles would surrender to the drone used for targeting, 20 miles from the Mo....

Slow motion of a Mighty Mo Broadside

PPS

Buffalo appears to be posting while intoxicated, or, he's just stirring shit up.
My hats off to all of you that have the time, and energy, and brain cells, to waste, strike that, to use, firing big bore rifles. I've done many other things that kill brain cells, so I shouldn't, and won't judge, their use, or waste. Suffice to say, remember Sam Baker...and Baby...

ROFL laughing.... The guy on the loud speaker, on the Mighty Mo video, just said,
"This is NOT a drive by shooting. We are going to be here for a few days..."

OMG: That's just WAY too funny.

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