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The testing we have done in gel shows that a soft point creates a wider path, but only until the expansion stops which was a penetration of about 3 inches. The Hydrostatics path is consistant all the way through, almost double that of a solid, and a soft point after its initial expansion. The other benefit was the Hydrostatic almost blew the back of the gel out on exiting. Cheers, Frank. | |||
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Ok, going with the assumption that these bullets are better killers and complete pass throughs how about testing lighter bullets at higher velocities and at the same standard velocities. The monometal solids are quite long and take up lots of powder room so instead of a say .3 SD how about testing bullets with say a .27 and .25 SD. Some people would preffer say only 3' of penetration with the maximum amount of damage. A 300 grain 458 bullet for the 45-70 and large bore pistol bullets with the same nose and pistol velocities would be of great interest as well. PS the results look impressive! Thanks 
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That's exactly what I'd like to see ... a 45cal at 350gr for 45/70 and high speed 45cal applications. Issue will be someone will take a crack at something big with a pill not meant for the task ... and chastise the manufacturer. Cheers... Con | |||
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Just read an Aussie forum ... 45cal 325gr are a week away! That's MY PILL! Now ... to get the funds together for a large order! Cheers... Con | |||
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The 325 grain 458's will be quite popular 2000 fps out of a 45-70? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Con--Boomy These 325s would be interesting from the 458 B&M. I would say well into 2400 fps--upwards of maybe 2500 fps. I have some of the Barnes 330 FN Solids but have only done one load to 2400 fps so far. Very accurate, and same POI as all the 300-350 gr bullets in the 458 B&M. You guys know how I love a solid, works perfect with the lighter expanding bullets. Have not tested penetration yet, but will soon in my next set of tests. I have two new boxes of these being delivered today. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Michael, Your a mind reader! Cheers... Con | |||
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Is it me or do these look like barbie size milk jugs???  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomy Bullets Boomy--Bullets that is the subject at hand, please try and stay on thread!!! But that will cause "pause" for thought I think?----Bullets! http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Con, You are loosing alot of credibility with me. A FN solid does not create more necrotic tissue than a .458 SP that expands to 82 caliber and retains 90-95% of weight! What kind of shitty soft point are you comparing too? I have killed maybe 500 american bison with many different caliber soft points. Maybe you are confusing the temporary cavity with the permanant cavity? Even a barely supersonic 9mm Truncated Cone FN has a pretty good looking TC. But a Flat Nose solid sucks compared to a bonded SP. Velocity times frontal area rules! No theory just fact. Dead animals on the ground. No eye reflex. Just dead. Call me in few years when you have some experience w bullet performance. Andy | |||
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So what we have here is a non deforming "bowl point" solid not a deforming cup point solid. The basic idea is to direct the fluid better than a flat point or a round nose right? Fluid dynamics are at play here. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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