Woodleigh monolithics

29 October 2009, 01:30

fox hat

quote:
Originally posted by Con:
Welcome aboard Frank!

On another forum you mentioned that they seem to cut a path as wide as a regular soft ... care to elaborate? Cheers...
Con

The testing we have done in gel shows that a soft point creates a wider path, but only until the expansion stops which was a penetration of about 3 inches. The Hydrostatics path is consistant all the way through, almost double that of a solid, and a soft point after its initial expansion. The other benefit was the Hydrostatic almost blew the back of the gel out on exiting.

Cheers, Frank.

29 October 2009, 05:00

boom stick

Ok, going with the assumption that these bullets are better killers and complete pass throughs how about testing lighter bullets at higher velocities and at the same standard velocities. The monometal solids are quite long and take up lots of powder room so instead of a say .3 SD how about testing bullets with say a .27 and .25 SD. Some people would preffer say only 3' of penetration with the maximum amount of damage.

A 300 grain 458 bullet for the 45-70 and large bore pistol bullets with the same nose and pistol velocities would be of great interest as well.

PS the results look impressive!

Thanks

quote:
Originally posted by fox hat:
I will start this post by saying that I am involved in the design and manufacture of these projectiles. They are being sold and distributed by Woodleigh and Geoff has spent a great deal of time in trialling and testing to get these to market.
We now have international design registrations and patents pending and also have a few prominent authors testing them.

The following is pretty much as posted on an Aussie forum.

A mate and I started using these hydrostatics at the start of this year to try on Sambar. They are claimed to kill as quickly as soft nose bullets but bust through brush far better and kept their line when hitting them on the run through thick cover.
So far this year we have nailed three sambar with them and have been surprised at how well they knock the deer right off their feet when hit with a .338. The other surprise was the extent of tissue damage they created.

IN Late September some mates and I had the opportunity to go to the Territory to shoot buffalo. The guy we were meeting in the Territory had already used them with good results and suggested we get hold of some and try them out. In all we shot 8 buffs including 3 good sized bulls. We where using a 30/06,375 Win Big Bore,378 Wheatherby and a 500 Jeffery.
All calibres performed extremely well and gave full penetration with a large amount of internal damage.
A large bull was was hit through the boss of the horn with the 375 and the bullet exited the back of the skull, re entered through the neck, clipped and damaged the spine, then went on to be recovered in the rear hip. After all this the bullet travelled in a straight line and the buff went down. The load was a 235gn hydrostatic at 1800fps.

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Another large cow was hit quartering on in the ball of the shoulder with the 500. The shoulder was literally pulverized. Again the bullet went on to penetrate the pouch full of grass, break the rear hip and we recovered it 6" in dirt behind the animal. This load was a 570gn hydrostatic at 2300fps

Shoulder

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Hip

http://i275.photobucket.com/al...fox-hat/IMG_3222.jpg

We had the 378 loaded with 300gn hydrostatics at 2930fps to really give the bullets a work out. When the buffs were hit they did not move too far. Unfortunately we could not get any recoveries inside an animal but we did get one from a finishing shot that we retrieved from the ground using a metal detector. The bullet was in good condition.

Recovered 378 with heart

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Three animals were downed using the 30/06 with a 180gn hydro at 2640fps. Again all bullets travelled in straight line and caused a lot of damage along the way. The bullets really made the 06 a serious buffalo gun.

http://i275.photobucket.com/al...fox-hat/IMG_3251.jpg

Feel free to ask qusetions about these.

We went to fair bit of trouble with recoveries and photos as this info will be passed onto Woodleigh for advertising.

Cheers, Frank.

29 October 2009, 07:56

Con

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
Ok, going with the assumption that these bullets are better killers and complete pass throughs how about testing lighter bullets at higher velocities and at the same standard velocities.

That's exactly what I'd like to see ... a 45cal at 350gr for 45/70 and high speed 45cal applications. Issue will be someone will take a crack at something big with a pill not meant for the task ... and chastise the manufacturer.
Cheers...
Con

29 October 2009, 08:00

Con

Just read an Aussie forum ... 45cal 325gr are a week away! That's MY PILL! Now ... to get the funds together for a large order!
Cheers...
Con

29 October 2009, 08:44

boom stick

The 325 grain 458's will be quite popular
2000 fps out of a 45-70?

29 October 2009, 17:42

michael458

Con--Boomy

These 325s would be interesting from the 458 B&M. I would say well into 2400 fps--upwards of maybe 2500 fps. I have some of the Barnes 330 FN Solids but have only done one load to 2400 fps so far. Very accurate, and same POI as all the 300-350 gr bullets in the 458 B&M. You guys know how I love a solid, works perfect with the lighter expanding bullets. Have not tested penetration yet, but will soon in my next set of tests. I have two new boxes of these being delivered today.

Michael

30 October 2009, 08:48

Con

Michael,
Your a mind reader!
Cheers...
Con

31 October 2009, 02:42

boom stick

Is it me or do these look like barbie size milk jugs???

31 October 2009, 05:13

Charles_Helm

quote:
barbie size milk jugs

There's somethign just not quite right about that phrase...

31 October 2009, 05:27

michael458

Boomy

Bullets Boomy--Bullets that is the subject at hand, please try and stay on thread!!! But that will cause "pause" for thought I think?----Bullets!

31 October 2009, 05:46

boom stick

quote:
Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
quote:
barbie size milk jugs

There's somethign just not quite right about that phrase...

31 October 2009, 05:47

boom stick

quote:
Originally posted by michael458:
Boomy

Bullets Boomy--Bullets that is the subject at hand, please try and stay on thread!!! But that will cause "pause" for thought I think?----Bullets!

31 October 2009, 09:46

Andy

Con,

You are loosing alot of credibility with me.

A FN solid does not create more necrotic tissue than a .458 SP that expands to 82 caliber and retains 90-95% of weight!

What kind of shitty soft point are you comparing too?

I have killed maybe 500 american bison with many different caliber soft points.

Maybe you are confusing the temporary cavity with the permanant cavity?

Even a barely supersonic 9mm Truncated Cone FN has a pretty good looking TC. But a Flat Nose solid sucks compared to a bonded SP.

Velocity times frontal area rules!

No theory just fact. Dead animals on the ground. No eye reflex. Just dead.

Call me in few years when you have some experience w bullet performance.

Andy

01 November 2009, 02:42

boom stick

So what we have here is a non deforming "bowl point" solid not a deforming cup point solid.
The basic idea is to direct the fluid better than a flat point or a round nose right?
Fluid dynamics are at play here.