Along with various other parts of my anatomy!
Methinks a .458 will be sufficient, unless the T-Rex actually does come back, ala Jurassic Park.

Appoligize for the ignorance, but how are the AR cartridges different than the cartridges based on the Dakota cases? It seems they are pretty close.

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Originally posted by sodakota:
Appoligize for the ignorance, but how are the AR cartridges different than the cartridges based on the Dakota cases? It seems they are pretty close.

The AR family have greater case capacities, in longer lentgh and greater circumferance. The AR's shoulders are wider than the Dakota base. Also the AR cases are cheaper to obtain.

Will there be a difference in magazine capacity between a 458 AR and 458 Ruger?

465H&H

i think i solved the 458 ruger thing...

just trim at 2.1" or 2.3"

2.1" will have a 21 thou shoulder per side and if loaded long will have win mag capacity or just shoot 400's and 450 grainers...
7 thou body taper 25 thou brass thickness and 21 thou shoulders.

the 2.3" version will have 19 thou shoulders and both will be great for ANYTHING!

the 2.3" version will be for 45-70 bullets

It will have the same shoulder as the .470 AR, and should work just fine!
The interesting Q is, can one safely shoot .458WinMag in a .458 Ruger?
And how much would you loose in the process?

folks,

465 H&H is a neighbor, and has had a fine 458 Lott for several years now. I think there is enough case body diameter to form a good shoulder. It would bridge the gap between the WM and the Lott, and yes, work in a standard-length action with a magnum bolt face just great.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Rich, a 458 ruger would basically be a lott.. just a hair smaller ... on hard to find brass ...

............Jeffe;;;If the chamber was opened up to 458 Ruger , it could be then be opened up to 458 AR just fine couldn,t it ........

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Will there be a difference in magazine capacity between a 458 AR and 458 Ruger?

465H&H

I'm still waiting for an answer on this question. One important value of the 458 Ruger would be the same mag capacity as the 458 Win. What will the 458 AR mag hold?

465H&H

.....465 ,,, I,ve gotten quite curious about the 458 Ruger as I understand the 458 AR is a 2 in the magazine ,, on a Ruger ....The 375 Ruger is 3 down with the bolt closing over the top round ...

here's a 416 Ruger (and a .338 mag for reference)
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/416wrooger.JPG

I could see a .423 stuffed in it but that's as small a shoulder as I'd want.

.411 might be best!

I wish someone would build the .458 Ruger Max before I have to. It may be the only way I can beat Will's power-to-weight ratio in elephant goads:





.375/.395/.416/.423/.458 Ruger Kittens.

It's just too easy to do a little rail work, open up the magazine on any std. 458 and make a Lott out of it, then load the Lott down to 2250 FPS, get really low pressure and good velocity..Why fix something that ain't broke, just looking for something to do I guess!

I really like my .416 Ruger, but the next one will be a .423 Ruger and the case shows PLENTY of shoulder..The 404 Ruger will be a dandy IMO, but hey the .416 Ruger is just as good IMO, and maybe better?

But, before I build a 404 Ruger I have to sell my .416 Ruger. It's in Guns America btw under custom guns...I do these things but when push comes to shove I keep my 404 Jefferys, well hopefully!

Gentlement

I know the 458 AR will easily clean out a 458 Win Mag chamber, belt and all.

However, I've seen it mentioned here a few times about rechambering a Win Mag to Ruger...but has anybody sat down and done the sums on the Ruger case, will a rechamber clean out the belted area of the Win Mag ?

regards
S&F

465

The .450 Vincent (ie a .404 case shortened to 2.5 " and blown out slightly and 30 deg shoulder has been arround for 15 years. Nearly bought one off Roy in 93/94. Just couldn't quite come up with the loot.

the .404 case, being just 8thou fatter than a .458 Belt- the chambering reamer cleans up the old .458 chamber nicely, mag holds same no of rounds and with S341 you could launch a 500grn bullet at 2400fps if you felt so inclined (my shoulder always felt more inclined to 2300fps )

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Originally posted by Atkinson:

Why fix something that ain't broke, just looking for something to do I guess!

Exactly! If we have the .375 H&H, .416 Rigby, and the .404 Jeffery, why in God's name would anyone want to screw around with the Ruger?

Dave

The .458 Ruger Max is still an orphan.

Whack off the threads of a .458 WinMag barrel and turn it down to .670" at the muzzle and shorten it to 23" and re-thread the breech end. A .458 Ruger Max reamer would clean that up and be well on the way to becoming a 6.75# elephant goad. Of course starting with a new barrel would be better.

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Originally posted by Ganyana:
465

The .450 Vincent (ie a .404 case shortened to 2.5 " and blown out slightly and 30 deg shoulder has been arround for 15 years. Nearly bought one off Roy in 93/94. Just couldn't quite come up with the loot.

the .404 case, being just 8thou fatter than a .458 Belt- the chambering reamer cleans up the old .458 chamber nicely, mag holds same no of rounds and with S341 you could launch a 500grn bullet at 2400fps if you felt so inclined (my shoulder always felt more inclined to 2300fps )

OK so if the 404J case is only 8 thou wider then the Win Mag belt, then the Ruger case surely.... can't clean out the chambered belt on a 458 Win Mag

The Ruger/Hornady case has NO parent case, it's original proprietry and I am pretty sure it's not the same width of the Jeffrey case

So the answer remains will a Ruger case clean out a 458 Win Mag chamber

regards
S&F

will a 458 wuger lean a 458 winmag chamber? it would be VERY close.. .532 is .532, and the same + will go ...

Honestly, though, the 458 WILL clean it up, and its just RUM brass.. but enough about my round
jeffe

As jeffeosso says, yes, of course, a .458 Ruger Max would clean up a .458 WinMag chamber, and without setting back the barrel, if you want to have the same sloppy throat as the .458 WinMag.

Ditto the .458AR, which will suffer the same sloppy throat residual from the standard .458 WinMag rechambered.