gentlemen;

what the world needs (desperately) is another reasonably priced 50 caliber rifle. With that thought I throw out for discussion the idea of doing something useful with a WSM chambered rifle.
IIRC the WSM line is just a 50-110 cartridge case with the rim turned off and necked-down for some pipsqueak caliber. Why not reverse this notion and chamber for the 50-110? THe reason this notion popped into my head is that I have been loading up some 50-110-450 smokeless loads for my M86 and HiWall. A fairly mild load, 70gr of AA3100 and a 450gr RFN bullet. The brass is available, you could use the 50-110 dies to reload, and bullet choice ranges from 300gr to wowser!

Pick this idea apart, or tell me how brilliant I am...either one is ok as long as you have some real pros/cons to share.

regards,

Rich

I forgot who did this, but they made doubles with 50-110s loaded hot, and called it something different, so the loads wouldn't go into a lever gun.


However, Here's my idea, that I need to finish sometime soon .. based of lapua/rigby brass, shortened.. might needs be a single stack in a mauser.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

Jefe, what soft ware are you useing to draw these case profiles? I need some drafting/machanical drawing soft ware badly!

Mac,
visio 2000 ... it's junk, compared to any cad program, including the free ones.

jeffe

Rich-How about my 510HE in a Ruger #1.
Jamison is making run of cases right now.
It is rimmed, 3.6 in case. Tested in 98-99,
a while back, to 12,000 ft lbs in an
Enfield, my favorite test guns.Ed

i know someone who pushes the 50-110 to 2300 with a 525 gr bullet in a browning blr. i would only go 2200 though. dave clay does the conversion.

the 500 a.r. is the best budget 500 imho and the 500 a2 second

starting off with a 300 dollar ruger is the equalizer.

it's a thought Ed. I do have a Ruger #2 here in 45-120. #2 is a #3 action with adult-sized #1 wood. Krikey, would that 3.6 dwarf my 510KX or what?

regards,

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
However, Here's my idea, that I need to finish sometime soon .. based of lapua/rigby brass, shortened.. might needs be a single stack in a mauser.

Is that with the .505 or the .510 diameter slugs?
A woodleigh .510, 535 gr should easily hit 2250, no?

Sounds good el jeffe!!
Git-r-done!!

it looks to be close to the 460G&A...? without that steenkeen belt!

Rich

it's for a .510 bullet, and it should hit 2350 with a 535gr, at about 3.2" or can fit in an m48 shortmauser, with a little work!!!

talk about a budget boomer...

$70 - action
$180 - barrel
$150 - sights
$100 - plastic stock
$200 - smithing (may NOT include single stack)
_______
$700 bucks .. plus dies!!

Rich,
I don't know the 460 GA from a 460 alaskan... but this one is a .510

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
i know someone who pushes the 50-110 to 2300 with a 525 gr bullet in a browning blr. i would only go 2200 though. dave clay does the conversion.

Boomy,
we both know the guy with that load... I would aim for 2050!

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
it's for a .510 bullet, and it should hit 2350 with a 535gr, at about 3.2" or can fit in an m48 shortmauser, with a little work!!!

talk about a budget boomer...

$70 - action
$180 - barrel
$150 - sights
$100 - plastic stock
$200 - smithing (may NOT include single stack)
_______
$700 bucks .. plus dies!!

Rich,
I don't know the 460 GA from a 460 alaskan... but this one is a .510

jeffe

damn jeffe...dont tempt me... i am still working on the first a.r.

el jeffe...

2.65" would have the most thunder, would a slightly shorter version feed better or is it not worth the loss of boom room???

i'd love to shoot 50 bmg solids backwards in this thing.

Boomy,
the BMG 642gr is about 2.18" long... assume a max oal of 3.65..any longer case is just eaten by the bullet, not effecient
26" barrel... 65kpsi, could feed from the mag!!! 3.65" long, about 2150....

run that down to 57,500 and you only loose about 50fps... 2100ish...

even if you seat it at 3.8, with a 24" barrel, it's seill 2120ish...

so let's call it feeding from the mag, 2100fps with 642 milsurps....

or WAY over 2350 with a 24" barrel, at 3.35, with 535 woodleighs...

it's as effecient as you can make it

jeffe

Are there any .500's based on the 404 Jeffery cartridge?

Wink,
there's not enough to headspace on, on a .404..

case diameter .540, -.510 = .30 - .003 for clearance, .027 -.024 for neck thickness =.003, /2 per side, and it's .0015... or about 1 sheet of printer paper TOTAL headspace.. with ZERO taper

the story gets a little better with a RUM case, .550 base, which gives you .013 total still not enough...

go to the rigby cases, .585, give it a little taper (i might just give the 500 ar .010 taper, rather than .015), and you can end up with .035 ish. which is about an HH belt, with more surface area.

this is the minimum .510 case, I believe, without a belt or rim, that could function in a bolt gun.

jeffe

o.k. el jeffe, 2.65 it is

the capstick only has 13 thou body taper and is longer so maybe split the diff and point the naysayers to the capstick. 30ish thou per shoulder should be great

it will be a faultless cart, suficient shoulder/body taper, noooo belt noooo rebate and able to replicate the lott velocities with a .510 .3 sectional density bullet.

it should even pass rip's strict rabinnical laws

even if it comes in at sub $1,000 it is a bargain. may it be the new lott!

maybe it can be renamed the a.r. stopper or a.r.s. (phoneticly arse...scottish for ass, as in saving yer ass!)

Boomy,
it's 2.50" case.....

the capstick has a belt, and the chamber is tapered...

oh, so the original 2.5" 50 a.r. version is the settled version, sorry i missunderstood

next year will be a good year, the 375 ruger and the 50 a.r.

p.s. are we calling it the 50 or 500 a.r.???

There is the 510 Nitro Express, as developed by Bob Schneidmiller and D'arcy Echols. It's the same basic case as the 50-140 pushed to higher pressures. Reported as 500 gr bullets at 2300+ and 600 gr at just over 2000 fps.