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Don't let Bigdoggy find out his 700 is just a toy now

Bring it to the Hoot & Shoot in the fall......I'll shoot it!!

It is just a fancy 10 GFH
Now the 800 Godzilla would be something new and a bolt action

10 Gauge is .775" so .750" is closer to an 11 Gauge.
I sure hope they are smart enough to start using some FN solids instead of the clingy-weepy-Luddite-nostalgic Round Nose FMJs.

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clingy-weepy-Luddite-nostalgic

I admire the time and dedication it took to do that thing but I think he should have done the V8 comercial thing and smacked his head and said "I could have had a 12 bore!". At least it could have had a dual purpose as a shotgun. This ones dual purpose seems to be a boat anchor.

...and no pad or blackening

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Originally posted by boom stick:
I admire the time and dedication it took to do that thing but I think he should have done the V8 comercial thing and smacked his head and said "I could have had a 12 bore!". At least it could have had a dual purpose as a shotgun. This ones dual purpose seems to be a boat anchor.

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Macifej,
Do you really want to hurt me?
That is a really frightful picture of Boy George!

Regarding the bore rifle in double rifle format,
making it a 12 Gauge From Hell 3.85" (.729 NE 3.85")
instead of an 11 Gauge From Hell 3.52" (.750 NE 3.52")
would sure make more sense.
But since when did making sense matter in these matters?

Oh yeah, making it weigh somewhat less than 26 pounds would also be a big improvement.

It should be a 4 Gauge at 26 pounds!!!

Rob G.'s "Nohbozo" 12GaFH double will run circles around this .750 NE, I guess ...

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Originally posted by RIP:
Macifej,
Do you really want to hurt me?
That is a really frightful picture of Boy George!

Regarding the bore rifle in double rifle format,
making it a 12 Gauge From Hell 3.85" (.729 NE 3.85")
instead of an 11 Gauge From Hell 3.52" (.750 NE 3.52")
would sure make more sense.
But since when did making sense matter in these matters?

Oh yeah, making it weigh somewhat less than 26 pounds would also be a big improvement.

It should be a 4 Gauge at 26 pounds!!!

Rob G.'s "Nohbozo" 12GaFH double will run circles around this .750 NE, I guess ...

No wishes of pain here RIP - only a comparison of George and a demographic of the market.



I think Colin's 2-Bore weighs about 26 lbs or maybe less.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Macifej,
Do you really want to hurt me?
That is a really frightful picture of Boy George!

What are the ballistics on this round?

465H&H

says 1200gr at 1900fps 225gr of rel22 per nominal data

Some of the criticism rings hollow, when it come from AR member who like the 600/700/12ga dejour, but; spit on this creation! This guy is not a member of the forum so he get no respect? And a 2 bore is accepted by the same critical persons.

The parameters of what human body can with handle in recoil or carry and what is needed and works in the field were established long ago. You step outside this performance envelope and something has to give.

Building a gun with murderous recoil vs excessive weight are pretty much the only options when you get up to this size. Well, then there is the muzzle brake or the rare example or humanity who can push the limits and stretch the envelope.

To me, 26lbs seems a very reasonable means of pushing the envelope. I dont want one, even as a gift ( I would sell it for a 577). I fail to see the distinction between this and many other creations embraced with such enthusiasm by this forum. The gun lacks graceful lines but no worse than certain USA 4 bores.

Thing that gets me is that is has no more energy then the 577 does. Why go to such lengths and costs for a 750 when the 700 can do the same anyways, and Saeed has seen that beast get an additional 4000KE anyways (over this gun). Now the 12GFH is really the way to go, and a smooth straight chamber that can shoot anywhere from 3" to 4", 1oz (437.5 gr.) to 3oz (1312.5), shot to slug appeals to me. Will a rifled choke stabalize a 1300 grain slug????

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Thing that gets me is that is has no more energy then the 577 does.

I dont know about that? The 577 fires 750 gr, the 600 fires 900gr, the 700 fires 1000 grain and this newfangled fires 1200 grains. They are all around 2000 fps more or less. The 600,700,750NE are not the same. The 700NE was dumb enough, so this is more, the 600 is less. None of the three deserve much merit in my book. At least a few 600 were built and attempted to be used in the old days. And then the recent near amputation of fingers by a certain gun writer hunting with a 600 double.

As far as what can do what - I am sure a hot loaded 577HE, or TREX can dish out all the punishment at either end that one could ever want. Maybe this guy is not a member of AR, so he went his own way. So shoot him?

The benefit of the 12gaFH is standard brass and its a legal shotgun bore. IMHO. Well, and, maybe some reasonable price guns can be modified too shoot. Bang for the buck.

As for making sense - does any of this have to make sense and by what definition?

I agree. Going off KE numbers, they are all much alike. Handloading has brought the 577 to over 10,000 lb/ft, more then enough for anything. The 600 and 700 NE sit around 8000-9000 out the box, but handloading can get you to 14,000 with the 700. Seing the 50 BMG only does 12-13K, it's a bit much...and thrust is double (based off of surface area of the base of the bullet). My personal opinion is if you want a bigger hole, shooter an expanding bullet. Plenty of good expanders exist now, so shoot a smaller bore with expanding bullets and get very much the same results...if weight and KE are the same (I know this can be debated, so sorry to bring it up). Just my thoughts though.

This gun is an excellent attempt at something new .. should have gone ahead and done it 800 ..

ya'll kinda hit a pet peeve here...

the 577 ne 3" is 7000 .. 750 at 2050 .. PERIOD ... other loads are NOT a 577 NE 3", they are "something else" ...

"modern loading" doesn't APPLY to double rifles .. the standard is, this aint boltguns, and if you don't "get it" them don't spout it...


muzzle energy doesn't kill game in big guns ... you can't "shock" an elephant to death.

big heavy tough bullets, driving through game to hit the vitals is what big bores are about.

this is why the 30-40 krag killed better than its paper ballistics .. BIG bullet, going fast enough to have range, slow enough to stay within bullet construction, and a big ole heavy for caliber bullet...

the 600 NE is NOT, repeat NOT known for penetration, and the 700, such as there are actually in the field, isn't all that much better.

the 577, 750 gr, has a reputation has a HEAVY HITTER, deep penetration, and an effective killer in a 12-16# rifle .. it can be carried all day by mere mortals.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
This gun is an excellent attempt at something new .. should have gone ahead and done it 800 ..

ya'll kinda hit a pet peeve here...

the 577 ne 3" is 7000 .. 750 at 2050 .. PERIOD ... other loads are NOT a 577 NE 3", they are "something else" ...

"modern loading" doesn't APPLY to double rifles .. the standard is, this aint boltguns, and if you don't "get it" them don't spout it...


muzzle energy doesn't kill game in big guns ... you can't "shock" an elephant to death.

big heavy tough bullets, driving through game to hit the vitals is what big bores are about.

this is why the 30-40 krag killed better than its paper ballistics .. BIG bullet, going fast enough to have range, slow enough to stay within bullet construction, and a big ole heavy for caliber bullet...

the 600 NE is NOT, repeat NOT known for penetration, and the 700, such as there are actually in the field, isn't all that much better.

the 577, 750 gr, has a reputation has a HEAVY HITTER, deep penetration, and an effective killer in a 12-16# rifle .. it can be carried all day by mere mortals.

+1

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Originally posted by fourbore:
Some of the criticism rings hollow, when it come from AR member who like the 600/700/12ga dejour, but; spit on this creation! This guy is not a member of the forum so he get no respect? And a 2 bore is accepted by the same critical persons....

The very idea that any of the resident ultra-bore fanatics here on the AR Big Bore Forum; the very home of the overpowered and impractical, would actually critique the utility of another’s outrageous design is laughable at best.



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I just love the 577

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the 577, 750 gr, has a reputation has a HEAVY HITTER, deep penetration, and an effective killer in a 12-16# rifle .. it can be carried all day by mere mortals.

Jeffeosso,

Firstly, I apologize, I was actually referring to the 577 T-Rex; should have been more clear...no idea of what the 577NE can do, and I do not condone "modern loading" in a double, but rather agree with you on this subject (was thinking Big Bores rather then doubles, but it is a double in the pic). I cannot agree more that a double should be loaded to regulation/standard; and pressure is something not to push either in a double or DG situation. Yes, heavy tough bullets do penetrate well, but the big part is where I was going. Yes, the 600 is known for not penetrating all that well, and I believe it is because the diameter is simply too large for it's weight and speed; dito for the 700, and so on with the 750. I know, KE doesn't kill or shock, it's simply a tool for measuring the efficiency and power of a cartridge...with it being used soley for the purpose of showing incremental gain. It would have been better off to have made a longer 600 with heavier bullet then a 700, and so forth, if the idea was lethality. I'm with you on the 577/585, and more power isn't necessary, but as many have said here, this AR and the home of over-bore nuts and power hungry fanatics, so more power too ya! Just logic and efficiency plight my inquisitions, though no point needed here in the world of Big Bores.

no reason, or need, to apologize, ... and thank you for clearing that up

Kagan lookalikes:

Supreme Court Justice nominee: Which is Elena Kagan, above?

Purple tie ...

Purple tie, yep.

Looks like you've been "audited" RIP ...

He gotta thang fo "funky" women folk ...

I wonder who got their knickers in a Schnitt over that?

Will have to start recreating a gallery of Elena Kagan lookalikes from scratch ...

That 750 nitro is a good looking gun. But, I am happy with my 2,4,8 bores and the 700 nitro and 700 AHR. Yes all of them can be loaded fairly hot. Everyone on here seems to make a remark about how useless and impractical these really big bores are. My answer is SO WHAT?? I have lots of guns of all sizes that I can hunt with that are big bore, light weight, and practical. I ask this to some of the nay sayers that are always commenting negatively on the big bores. Maybe we have them for the satisfaction of owning them and playing around with them for the sheer fun of it. Thats a good enough reason for me to own a big heavy impractical gun. Main reason is because I want too. So those that have a problem with them being heavy or not being practical to haul 30 miles into the bush on a 130 degree day.... get over it. thanks p.s. peter size aint got nothing to do with it so don't start that crap either.

Wait a minute. You mean to tell me that there's actually a "demographic" for these things?

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I ask this to some of the nay sayers that are always commenting negatively on the big bores. Maybe we have them for the satisfaction of owning them and playing around with them for the sheer fun of it.

Well stated and my feelings exactly.

While I admire the concept, one major factor in favor of the 12GaFH is it isnt a Dangerous Device under the law. This pup would have to be registered or exempted as a sporting cartridge. While I've been through that process, it is a major PIA. Dont think I'd want anything to do with a unregistered DD in this day and age.-Rob