Folks on this .585 I've initially said to leave both bridges on the Montana ph action. But I know many round the front bridge off.....it does look nice, but I think it leaves you a little high and dry optics wise, if my eyes go a little I maybe able to attach a axe directly to front bridge for a leupold,d delta point etc.

Also two "front" cz 550 rings work with the Montana ph action to mount a 1-4 etc.

What is other peoples take on this ? The rounded of front bridge original rigby masers have does look elegant. Was there a reason other than cosmetics Rigby did this ?

I feel good with my double square .585 HE, I don't have any needs to remove it though I don't want to put any scope on that so far.



Jiri

That looks great and nice weight !

May I ask what loads your running and speeds if you know.

Cheers pc

So far just a "mild" loads:


80 gr of 5744 + 650gr Woodleigh BPE SP ~1900 fps (this is reduced load for kids and women)


155 gr of RL17 + 750 gr Woodleigh SP - 2402 fps (regular starting load)

Some videos here: https://www.youtube.com/channe...PsbTGEqZo4rvc2OUMNxg

More here: http://www.585he.cz/

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Originally posted by Jiri:
So far just a "mild" loads:


80 gr of 5744 + 650gr Woodleigh BPE SP ~1900 fps (this is reduced load for kids and women)


155 gr of RL17 + 750 gr Woodleigh SP - 2402 fps (regular starting load)

Some videos here: https://www.youtube.com/channe...PsbTGEqZo4rvc2OUMNxg

More here: http://www.585he.cz/

How do you rate the recoil of the 155gr load Jiri is it really heavy given the nice portable weight of your rig ?

In comparison to anything "ordinary people use" it is heavy. But for me it is manageable (watch video on YT where I fired first and second shot from that in my life, it was 155gr load). Biggest surprise is the twisting. If you are ready for incoming twisting, then you are really fine.

Last time, I fired three follow up shots pretty fast. Because it burns "so much" powder, it will become pretty hot after few rounds (5 or so), so you are not able to touch barrel in the forearm area. But it will never happen in hunting situation.

On the other hand, I will not fire it from sitting or lying position. When standing, body can easily absorb recoil. For sitting fun, there is that reduced load.

But I can fire .500 S&W revolver with 44 gr of H110 under 400gr bullet from single hand, so I am not the best person to ask about recoil :-)

P.S. Ed Hubel said they never built such a light rifle in .585 ;-)

Jiri

Damn it Jiri!
I was not expecting to be so covetous before noon. Going to need confession and some Hail Marry’s or bloody marry’s to get right after seeing that beautiful capable brute of a rifle.

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Originally posted by Jiri:
I feel good with my double square .585 HE, I don't have any needs to remove it though I don't want to put any scope on that so far.



Jiri

I am happy you like it

I just wanted low maintenance working rifle capable of any weather with ultimate fun factor too. Made of stainless steel Montana PH action, Pac-Nor stainless barrel, Cerakote finish and Kevlar stock.

BTW second reason for reduced loads is wild boar hunting here in Europe. Old conservative hunters with their 7x57 will love me

Now, I am stuck with export from USA. Rifle is now in my friend's gun vault in Oregon, after changes in export rules nobody exactly know how to process that. I spent about a month every year in USA, so for now I shoot it only on Holidays.

Jiri

A low maintenance bad ass rifle!
I would be so proud to have that rifle.
For me, I would want a peep sight with a fiber optic front for me or a red dot sight.

There is red fiber front, green fiber rear. You can just switch rear sight blade for ghost ring or peep sight. Rear sight is made by Williams sights, so any compatible blade could be there.

Jiri

This is how Smithson dealt with the double square bridge scope mount problem with my Granite Mountain Magnum action:





The rifle is my "small bore" .505 Gibbs.

Scopes and beautiful rifles don't mix.You need to decide first what is it you want-no one can answer that question for you.

I like the double square bridges squared off and no slots for scope use on a real big bore rifle, they are solid, no screws to shear with that kind of recoil, The English invented the square bridges as far as I know, and the Germans adopted them.

I would prefer double square bridges on such a rifle as yours with no set up for a scope, it would strictly be an iron sighted gun and used for what its designed for close shots on big bad animals. A 100 yard gun at best IMO..The purpose of the double square bridges are supposed to give you a sighting plain for iron sight use..I would suggest that's pretty close to a myth, but so be it, looks great, and reeks with nostalgia, but I love nostalgic firearms and most things nostalgic..Under certain conditions with that caliber and like calibers at some point in time you will probably eat that scope, don't shoot uphill..

Get into the mediudm bores like the 9.3x62 and 375, then square bridges and QD scopes are a whole nuther ball game, a 3 or 4 power fixed scope is a plus to most.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Scopes and beautiful rifles don't mix.You need to decide first what is it you want-no one can answer that question for you.

Agree, the only issue is that as we age chances of eye issues increase. I suppose if you at least have the option for something to be put on in QD mount etc. then you take it off for ogling at post hunt

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I like the double square bridges squared off and no slots for scope use on a real big bore rifle, they are solid, no screws to shear with that kind of recoil, The English invented the square bridges as far as I know, and the Germans adopted them.

I would prefer double square bridges on such a rifle as yours with no set up for a scope, it would strictly be an iron sighted gun and used for what its designed for close shots on big bad animals. A 100 yard gun at best IMO..The purpose of the double square bridges are supposed to give you a sighting plain for iron sight use..I would suggest that's pretty close to a myth, but so be it, looks great, and reeks with nostalgia, but I love nostalgic firearms and most things nostalgic..Under certain conditions with that caliber and like calibers at some point in time you will probably eat that scope, don't shoot uphill..

Get into the mediudm bores like the 9.3x62 and 375, then square bridges and QD scopes are a whole nuther ball game, a 3 or 4 power fixed scope is a plus to most.

True Ray.

I have passed on my thoughts to the smith integral etc. I'll see what he comes back with

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Originally posted by xausa:
This is how Smithson dealt with the double square bridge scope mount problem with my Granite Mountain Magnum action:





The rifle is my "small bore" .505 Gibbs.

That is truly a graceful rifle it really looks good !

Damn it xausa!
How is it that you can you have that much good taste!?!?!?!!!
That wood is gorgeous!

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Originally posted by xausa:
This is how Smithson dealt with the double square bridge scope mount problem with my Granite Mountain Magnum action:





The rifle is my "small bore" .505 Gibbs.

I didn't pick the wood: it was Lon Paul, who also did the metal work and stock work. Smithson did the scope mounts.

Yes, xausa, that is a fine-looking rifle.

It seems to me that double square bridges bring a certain prestige, so why grind one off. If nothing else, one on the front ring may add strength that could some day be needed.

What kind of wood is it?
I like the contrast and the almost surface liquid looking bumpy wave look.

they look cool -- keep em

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Originally posted by ALF:
Paul Mauser invented and patented the Square bridge in 1900. I have hunted for the actual patent ( it's not listed on Korn's Mauser Patents)
They were not called square bridges however but "platform" actions for scope mounting. Some were milled for scope mounting and some were left unmilled. Customers could order their bridge heights to preference.

MAUSER ORIGINAL OBERNDORF SPORTING RIFLES (1997) by
Jon Speed
Walter Schmid
Reiner Herrmann
Pages 98-99:
Begins with Paul Mauser Originates the Scope-Friendly Square Bridge as a heading for a line-drawing illustration of a scope mounting system by Mauser. Rather high, see-through rings
allowing simultaneous use of the iron sights.
Continues with:
"Around 1900 Paul Mauser patented a unique scope mounting feature for his 98 actions, integrated within the receiver bridge itself, wherein the rough forged receiver bridge area was milled out into a flat square shape." ...

The receiver types were called:
"Receiver normal pattern" and
"Receiver with platform for telescope."

"As noted above, some customers ordered 'platform' (Square Bridge) actions not set up for scope mounts, as these could be prepared later or set up with different mounts by a private gunsmith." Etc.

THE MAUSER ARCHIVE (2007)
by Jon Speed, has a photo on page 35, a Mauser factory photo from 1905, showing "an early step-down ring Magnum action with square bridge for the .400/350 rimmed cartridge, also fitted with a slanted magazine."
That's the less successful fore-runner of the .416 Rigby of 1911.
Elsewhere Speed says Paul Mauser was building these Square-bridge, round-top receiver Mauser actions "by 1904." Or earlier, of course.
Elsewhere Speed also says that that the M1903 Springfield Mauser-rip-off was designed by Colonel "Thompson" Whelen.
A minor typo.

Great books, both of them.

The Square Bridge/"Platform for Telescope" action and the German Claw and other Mauser mounts do seem to be like hands in gloves.
Double ditto the "double-square-bridge."
For a Picatinny rail or two-piece cross-slot bases, it would be more like peas and carrots, Forrest Gump and Jenny.
The Smithson mounts on xausa's rifle are even better, IMHO.
The Smithson peep insert for the square bridge is impeccable.
Cocking piece peeps never return to exactly the same position with cycling of action, and they slow the lock-time:
According to Ludwig Olson.

Rip ...

Awesome stick of wood, not the color so much, Im talking about, its the lay out for a big bore, and the color and contrast is perfect as well. The arrangement is pretty close to a Talley peep and rings, it works.

For years the option of a double square bridge or a single square bridge action has been an option..I like single square bridge best only if I need to preserve the stamping or engraving on the front ring, and with a first class action that's important to me, otherwise the double square bridge is nicer, IMO..