.375 Ruger by Hornady

29 July 2006, 22:45

duikerman

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
t seems that this IS the cart we had all hoped for...

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the only question left is WHAT RIG WILL YOU BUY OR MAKE FOR IT???

I'll be sticking one in a VZ-24 just as soon as I can get a reamer.

I also have a M-70 crf classic action (formerly in .338 Win Mag) that needs a barrel as well.

Will you rent (or sell) me the reamer when you're done doing yours?

29 July 2006, 22:56

boom stick

done!

so the ideal non magnum action 5 gun battery...

22-250,30-06,375ruger,45-70,470 a.r.

whats yer's

29 July 2006, 23:13

jstevens

I'm all for this one, I just hope that they do their homework and put it in a dangerous game type package at a reasonable price. It needs a barrel band, good sights(think RSM without the quarter rib) and available in walnut with crossbolts and a synthetic stock, then go ahead and build the .416 Ruger as well. It looks like performance is right with the .375 Dakota.

29 July 2006, 23:25

RMiller

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
done!

so the ideal non magnum action 5 gun battery...

22-250,30-06,375ruger,45-70,470 a.r.

whats yer's

300 rum, 300 rum, 300 rum, 375 ruger , 375 ruger.

I think I would like to get a SS Target grey with sights probably put a Syn stock on it. Then another blue with a laminate stock and no sights with a 3X9.

29 July 2006, 23:25

boom stick

what twist rate will ruger use and what twist SHOULD they use?

29 July 2006, 23:34

vapodog

It certainly don't take much imagination to see the 7mm STW, the 300 weatherby, the 340 weatherby, the .358 STA, the 416 Remington, and the 458 Lott performances now being stuffed in a standard action.

quote:
what twist rate will ruger use and what twist SHOULD they use?

My guess is 1-12"

29 July 2006, 23:43

RIP

12" twist is the only choice.

30 July 2006, 02:17

RIP

Looks like the .375 Ruger is going to be one of those "faultless" cartridges.

30 July 2006, 02:27

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by RIP:
Looks like the .375 Ruger is going to be one of those "faultless" cartridges.

Have no fear.....there'll be those that will complain that you can't get enough of them in the magaszine. Not even relevant that there's as much room for the new round as there was for the H&H offering.

30 July 2006, 02:42

jeffeosso

Looks like it will out perform the 376 steyr .. but.. heh, i aint reworking my 1936 mexican mauser 376 to change

jeffe

30 July 2006, 02:42

boom stick

it will probably suffer the same disease as the 06, so good its boring

30 July 2006, 02:43

boom stick

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Looks like it will out perform the 376 steyr .. but.. heh, i aint reworking my 1936 mexican mauser 376 to change

jeffe

aw come on jeffe...just call it a steyr long

30 July 2006, 05:47

laredo kid

Not trying to stir the pot , I believe the 375 Ruger velocity is very optomistic ! It may excede the 375 Taylor by a small margine but what of pressures - 65,000 psi or more ? As to magazine capacity - why not a detachable 5-8 round magazine for DG rifles ( RUMS,Rigbys,505 and ect...)

30 July 2006, 07:39

465H&H

If Hornady gets their velocity figures for this cartridge the same way they do for their high energy 458 Win and 458 Lott there will be a lot of blue sky in them. Makes no difference though. Load it down to 375 H&H velocity and enjoy a 06 lenght action at low pressures. I see little need to boost 375 H&H velocities except possibly for large antelope at long range.

465H&H

30 July 2006, 10:01

Rod Smith

A little more of the same.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ert_072706

30 July 2006, 10:05

surestrike

boom stick,

Just curious but I have never seen anybody who gets so excited about this stuff!!

By chance does your daily diet consist primarily of sugar, caffeine, nicotine and crack?

Dude I appreciate your enthusiasm and I'll bet your computer screen has spit marks all over it and your keys are soaked in sweat huh?

This does look like an interesting round. I just hope that Ruger builds it in a stainless rifle. That it has iron sights on it. This thing just screams Alaska rig to me. What a fantastic little bear rifle this thing could be if done right.

30 July 2006, 10:26

boom stick

surestrike...

if i am not enthusiastic about the things i like i might as well kill myself cuzz waiting for death would seem like torture. i have been accused of being high before but that is just me naturaly being a happy person. i used to be about 4 times worse...i have mellowed out a bit. i am a carpe diem kinda guy for reasons too lengthy for a post and not too many people would care.

"This does look like an interesting round. I just hope that Ruger builds it in a stainless rifle. That it has iron sights on it. This thing just screams Alaska rig to me. What a fantastic little bear rifle this thing could be if done right."

if they dont do it "right" rebarreling a synthetic mk II would be easy enough. thats what i want...and maybe a 300 win mag b.l.r. might have a new life as a 375 ruger...i'll name it "stampy" to go along with "thumper" the 470 a.r. and "meat gun" my 30-06...guess what my marlin guide gun is called ..."boom stick"

yeah naming yer guns does seem kinda stupid but i dont care

30 July 2006, 14:21

mr rigby

For me ,the ruger stainless in the laminate stock would be a superb rifle for the 375 Ruger. Perhaps it will be so popular that Norma makes brass and ammo for it in a few years.

It takes time and money to put a new cartridge out on the market and then it`s the clue to find a bulletdiameter that wont go into obscurity and the .375 is one that will never fade away. Now where is the 7mm Ruger i wonder......

30 July 2006, 19:31

surestrike

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
surestrike...

if i am not enthusiastic about the things i like i might as well kill myself cuzz waiting for death would seem like torture. i have been accused of being high before but that is just me naturaly being a happy person. i used to be about 4 times worse...i have mellowed out a bit. i am a carpe diem kinda guy for reasons too lengthy for a post and not too many people would care.

boom stick,

I was serious when I said I appreciate this kind of enthusiasim. It is refreshing to be around people with a fresh, positive, upbeat, outlook.

Whatever your diet is I want some of it.

KEEP IT UP MAN!!!

30 July 2006, 19:45

woodsracer

quote:
Originally posted by RMiller:
Faster than the 375 H-H. Sure I'll believe that.

But right there with the 375 rum. Not without some heavy magnum loads.

Sounds like some more new cartridge magic velocity claims to me.

I am looking forward to the new round but I won't expect rum velocities out of it.

I was refraining from the above comments, but now that you posted them. I agree.

30 July 2006, 19:54

woodsracer

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:

if i am not enthusiastic about the things i like i might as well kill myself cuzz waiting for death would seem like torture. i have been accused of being high before but that is just me naturaly being a happy person. i used to be about 4 times worse...i have mellowed out a bit. i am a carpe diem kinda guy for reasons too lengthy for a post and not too many people would care.

boomstick, somehow from the above statement, I believe that you and I are "kindred spirits."

30 July 2006, 20:55

RIP

No doubt some hype and homecooking in the comparisons of velocity for the .375 Ruger to the .375 RUM, load data selectivity, no barrel lengths specified, limited data, i.e., one pressure barrel for the .375 Ruger (26" long?) compared to the 24" velocity given in the Hodgdon manual for the .375 RUM? Something like that.

I guess the .375 Ruger will comfortably do 2600 fps, maybe 2650 fps with the right 300 grainer in a 24" barrel.

Ought to equal or slightly exceed the .375 H&H by a small margin.

The water capacity of this case compared to the .375 H&H would be most interesting.

An example of Hornady Hype from my experience:

.458 Lott claimed to do 2300 fps with 500 grainers in what pressure barrel length?

In my 25" barreled CZ the Hornady 500 grain soft factory load did something like 2196 fps average, call it 2200 fps.

Same rifle, the Hornady brass encapsulated 500 grain solid factory load did 2238 fps average, call it 2240 fps.

The factory used the same powder charge with both loads, different bullets.

O.K. We can expect the .375 Ruger FACTORY LOADS to likely give less velocity than they claim, given Hornady's track record.

Differences in rifling, chamber and throat make the pressure versus velocity correlation tricky.

I would commend Remington for their .375 RUM factory loading of 300 grain Swifts that they claim gives 2800 fps.

My 26" barreled Remington M700 LSS gave 2820 fps.

What really matters?

The .375 Ruger will do a bit better than the .375 H&H in velocity (my .375/.338 WinMag is fully equal to the .375 H&H in velocity), and it will do it in the handy package of a Ruger M77MkII.

It is a faultless cartridge in a faultless rifle.

It will be a winner, here to stay.

Go Ruger.
Go Hornady. (they make great brass)

30 July 2006, 22:34

Fjold

Even with some "blue sky" in their velocity numbers, knock 100 fps off their claims and you get a 300 grain bullet at 2600 fps from a standard size action!

That means a whole bunch of 375 Taylor barrels are going to get setback and re-chambered.

All I want out of this is the 40+ caliber version, so I probably not be able to take it to Africa in 2008.

31 July 2006, 02:52

boom stick

fjold...

if the ammo and guns come out in spring 07 by summer 07 the reamer for the 416 version should be floating around. by fall you should have all yer load development by then

and when or if hornady makes it factory you can just re-ream to clean up for factory specs...am i wrong anybody? 416 american? 416 ruger? 416-375 ruger?

ruger...dont mess with it just duplicate

31 July 2006, 11:25

army aviator

quote:
Originally posted by RIP:
No doubt some hype and homecooking in the comparisons of velocity for the .375 Ruger to the .375 RUM, load data selectivity, no barrel lengths specified, limited data, i.e., one pressure barrel for the .375 Ruger (26" long?) compared to the 24" velocity given in the Hodgdon manual for the .375 RUM? Something like that.

My Montana Arms in 376 Steyr averages 2695FPS with factory 270grs at 20feet with a 23" barrel. The temperature was 80 degree at about 1000 above sea level. I think that is more than Hornady advertises and it is hot in my rifle.
I guess the .375 Ruger will comfortably do 2600 fps, maybe 2650 fps with the right 300 grainer in a 24" barrel.

Ought to equal or slightly exceed the .375 H&H by a small margin.

The water capacity of this case compared to the .375 H&H would be most interesting.

An example of Hornady Hype from my experience:

.458 Lott claimed to do 2300 fps with 500 grainers in what pressure barrel length?

In my 25" barreled CZ the Hornady 500 grain soft factory load did something like 2196 fps average, call it 2200 fps.

Same rifle, the Hornady brass encapsulated 500 grain solid factory load did 2238 fps average, call it 2240 fps.

The factory used the same powder charge with both loads, different bullets.

O.K. We can expect the .375 Ruger FACTORY LOADS to likely give less velocity than they claim, given Hornady's track record.

Differences in rifling, chamber and throat make the pressure versus velocity correlation tricky.

I would commend Remington for their .375 RUM factory loading of 300 grain Swifts that they claim gives 2800 fps.

My 26" barreled Remington M700 LSS gave 2820 fps.

What really matters?

The .375 Ruger will do a bit better than the .375 H&H in velocity (my .375/.338 WinMag is fully equal to the .375 H&H in velocity), and it will do it in the handy package of a Ruger M77MkII.

It is a faultless cartridge in a faultless rifle.

It will be a winner, here to stay.

Go Ruger.
Go Hornady. (they make great brass)

31 July 2006, 13:30

Bent Fossdal

This is , undoubtably, a fabolous cartridge. It is absolutely incredible that it took so long to turn it out, we have been waiting for half a century. I really hope the people at Ruger/Hornady will give it time to catch on. It is going up against the H&H and its glamourous history, not an easy task. Gun nuts like us are a small group, so I guess we all have a responsibility to spread the gospel.

31 July 2006, 16:17

jeffeosso

(the following is with humor, though it's 6:20 local am)

quote:
Originally posted by laredo kid:
Not trying to stir the pot , I believe the 375 Ruger velocity is very optomistic ! It may excede the 375 Taylor by a small margine but what of pressures - 65,000 psi or more ? As to magazine capacity - why not a detachable 5-8 round magazine for DG rifles ( RUMS,Rigbys,505 and ect...)

Okay, here's a couple things.
the 375HH, if you turned the bult off, would be a .511" or so diameter case. That the Ruger, with a .532 case and body, can CLOBBER it in capacity is a no brainer. My AR rounds, at 2.55", have 3.8% (ave) MORE case capacity than the 2.80" 416rem/458lott/470 capstick, due to diameter!!

The TAYLOR is also a .511(sans belt) case... this will easily out run it, so the 375 taylor position is invalidated, sorry

Detachable mags on a DGR??! That's an undefined condition. DANGEROUS and DETACHABLE make it a tactical , not for hunting dangerous game, as you can loose the mag. I am not certain you've held a rum, rigby or gibbs case... the rigby, or a variant, is a 338 lapua tactical rifle. The gibbs... shesh, it would look like a 55 goys mag??!?!?!

jeffe

31 July 2006, 16:37

tiggertate

If Hornady is going to make the ammo, I hope they take advantage of the opportunity to upgrade their .375 bullets to be worthy of the round.

Otherwise, it never be a popular over-the-counter option.

31 July 2006, 16:59

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by tiggertate:
If Hornady is going to make the ammo, I hope they take advantage of the opportunity to upgrade their .375 bullets to be worthy of the round.

Otherwise, it never be a popular over-the-counter option.

Well said. Their soft point interbond might be a fitting bullet but the solid needs some new life to it. Possibly they would sell brass only.

31 July 2006, 21:27

boom stick

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:
This is , undoubtably, a fabolous cartridge. It is absolutely incredible that it took so long to turn it out, we have been waiting for half a century. I really hope the people at Ruger/Hornady will give it time to catch on. It is going up against the H&H and its glamourous history, not an easy task. Gun nuts like us are a small group, so I guess we all have a responsibility to spread the gospel.[/QUOTE

great point and sentiment. y'all who have more than one short mag (cant see the point of owning more than one) or any short mag sell it or swap it (to a non enthusiast) for a 375 ruger donor rifle. reward good behavior or you will get more of the same. (belts, rebated rims and shortmags oh my!) if enough wildcat to 416 it could be next! ruger is winning me over as a fan

next we have to get a custom gunmaker to buy out jeffeosso and produce the a.r. rounds

and have qual-cart manufacture headstamped brass and sell loaded ammo

jeffe...have you copyrighted the rounds?

how much would you sell the rights for to say.... remington to compete with ruger now

31 July 2006, 21:33

mr rigby

Capstick wiev of new cartridges

Cartridges almost like lifeforms ,seemingly are governed by the law of natural selection .If they are effective and fill a need they survive and prosper.

If they are better than need to be,or a too close to another cartridge they are delegated to anonymity abd extincition. It`s that simple.

31 July 2006, 21:35

BFaucett

boomstick already posted the charts from this article. I just thought I'd add the relevant text.

-Bob F.

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from: http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ert_072706/

HORNADY
Wayne Holt of Hornady also had some new for 2007 items for us to look at and after the presentation he told me that I could share all of it with the online reading audience. So for about two hours I sat patiently through the rest of the day's presentations, formulating in my head how to present this mountain of info. While I was planning my day four write-up, Hornady Marketing guru Neil Davies started to chew on Holt's ear about how he didn't think it was a good idea to let the information out at this point. So after lunch, with a smile on his face, Neil informed me that I can only report on the .375 Ruger, the new for 2007 round that Hornady is manufacturing.

New for 2007, Hornady Ammunition's .375 Ruger.

The .375 Ruger features a standard magnum bolt face, is reported as being the smoothest feeding magnum to date and will be available in 270-gr. SP, 300-gr. IB and 300-gr. FMJ.

The round has been field tested by Craig Boddington in Africa with great success. Boddington killed a hippo and two water [sic] buffalo with the round.

Look for a future in-depth review in a Primedia publication.
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31 July 2006, 21:57

Tumbleweed

Water buffalos....in Africa.....

Must have rained a lot since I was there last!

31 July 2006, 23:33

458RugerNo1

The round's performance sounds great, but the package they put it in is going to make or break it...

IMHO i'd like to see it like this:

22" stainless bbl similar to the RSM but THINNER and lighter with bbl band and express sights (NOT those silly iron sights Ruger uses on their other rifles), though I would not scoff at a good set of heavy-duty aperture sights such as the XS ghost rings. A laminated stock sounds good to me and a synthetic stock also offered please. Overall weight at 8.5 to 9 lbs would be wonderful, as my only complaint about their RSM is it's a bit heavy - but otherwise near-perfect out of the box.

Anyone agree or am I off on this?

01 August 2006, 00:58

Paul H

I think what is really going to make this round has nothing to do with Ruger's planning, and all to do with their luck. What I'm referring to is the current demise of the Win M70. For those who want a domestic CRF action, and a stainless CRF action, the Ruger M77 mk II is the only current choice.

I just hope Ruger doesn't put a truck axle barrel on the gun and make it too heavy. 270 gr TSX @ 2800, and it'll be a NA big game round supreme, load it with 300's for water buff