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Originally posted by Biebs:
Great!

Now that is the happy face I like to see........... HEH........

RIP, yes, I do recall your silicone treatment, and concur, very excellent, thanks...... I will remember that. And yes, I think I pulled those two shots right!

I think I will sort this out this morning, and if so, will report SUCCESS, as Failure is no option here!

Pagosa...... Clean it? Not even sure I own something to clean it with? LOL................ Yet another reason to love big bore rifles, not finicky like rat guns, I can't remember the last time I cleaned a bore on one of my rifles?

Well, like I said above, I believe I have POI sorted out, 450 Raptor 97/IMR 8208 2435 or so, did not loose much if anything from 98/IMR 8208, and the 500 Solid 96/IMR 8208 2360 fps..... Naturally these start to come together. Probably 96 in each would be in the same hole.... But I like that HP at as much velocity as we can get within reason and POI...... Extreme Trauma................

M

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Originally posted by Biebs:

Yesterday could have been better! We ran into a few issues with the Swarovski. After remounting, using 30 inch pounds instead of 28, roughing up the inside of the rings, and giving them a coating of resin, after about 20 rounds or so, something started turning inside the scope. ????? In addition, and of more concern, I was having to re focus every shot? At first I thought it was my eyes going nuts at each shot, but after several it was the scope. At the shot, focus was gone, focus back in, shoot, whacked........... So that put an end to the Swarovski on this rifle. After taking it off, giving it a good cleaning, we decided to mount a Nikon 1X4 on it. I went out to sort it out and by the time I think I have it pretty well clued in, I was tired, and pushing too hard for results, and my shooting was CRAP. So I hung it up for the day, and this morning will try to tweak and tune to my satisfaction.........

Taking the Swarovski off, it looks fine, does not rattle like the leupolds did, and appears to be ok. Maybe send it in for a rebuild and put it on another rifle......... ??????

This rifle will be on the way to Biebs Monday.......................

So that deserves a Happy Face????

Michael

Sometimes the Shineola turns into crap.
So much for the Swarovski.
Yup, it is a job for the Nikon.

Well, I am hoping to see the "Happy Face" this afternoon..............

I think I have Biebs rifle sorted out now.... You tell me!

After yesterdays piss poor performance on MY PART, not the rifle, not the load, not the Nikon, MM........ This morning seem to come together, at least pretty fair, and good enough that I feel like I can send the rifle out Monday and I have done all the damage I can do........

Mission Objective: Buffalo. Hammer of Choice..... 450 #13 Raptor. Velocity 2430 fps. Since this is the main mission objective I worked with the 450 Raptor to get it into place first and foremost......

We started here warming everything up.........



Not a bad start, so now we tweak a few clicks and tune up to here.......



A little more tweak and tune and let me tell you something quickly... I ain't stupid, I know when to QUIT with this!



So now, big part over and I am satisfied, as I really did not quit, I checked out several solids and combos with the solids, and when something did not look right I went BACK to the 450 Raptor, and every single time it ended up in the same place as you see above....

The 500 Matching solid would have done fine, but it has just a tiny bit of too much right, the 475 Solid did much better to my thinking overall, one of those targets...... But I shot several to confirm....



So, I will be sending the 450 Raptor and matched with this new 475 #13 Solid..... Of course, you know, at less yardage they come together even closer........ While I have not tested this 475 Solid, there is no doubt in my mind what it will do, and should Biebs find himself with a troublesome elephant, the 475 Solid will accomplish that mission with ease. Buffalo, brush, other uses, no problem........

Rifle will be leaving to Biebs FFL Monday, along with all the accessories, unless you people are not satisfied for some reason???

Michael

Looks like you have it well taken care of Michael!

Good to go! :-)

For the proper amount of incentive I could arrange for the funeral to be in the near future!!!

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Lou, you can pick it up at my funeral :-)

Biebs , that is the only test you did not fail

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Originally posted by michael458:

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Originally posted by Biebs:
LOL! I promised some geeky guy in South Carolina that I wouldn't sell it.

PS: Oops! Never mind :-)

It was a TEST...........

You BELONG in Africa :-)

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Originally posted by ddrhook:
For the proper amount of incentive I could arrange for the funeral to be in the near future!!!

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Lou, you can pick it up at my funeral :-)

ddrhook
I'll be with Jon in about 3 weeks, what's it worth to you?

I'm in africa and all is good just keep that degenerate as far away as possible. i think he is contagious. I hear the test results will be back this week to see if the goat of the German Shepard is his father. His blood test came back yesterday and it showed a great deficiency in anything resembling human DNA. Which leads me to believe his mother was bigfoot.

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Originally posted by pagosawingnut:

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Originally posted by ddrhook:
For the proper amount of incentive I could arrange for the funeral to be in the near future!!!

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Lou, you can pick it up at my funeral :-)

ddrhook
I'll be with Jon in about 3 weeks, what's it worth to you?

Beib's, congrats again on a magnificent stopping/buffalo/Elephant rifle !

This one in particular would have to be one of the better (best) looking MDM I've seen turned out. Knowing that it has been out through the loops at MIB Institute of projectile and rifle development should give you peace of mind in knowing it will feed and function 100%, and shoot bug-holes at hunting distances.

Those loads Mike has worked up for you are ABSOLUTELY DEVASTATING on Buffalo

Good luck, and the very best of hunting to you.

Paul, I'll do in a Cape Buff with it in June, then have to start planning a Water Buff annihilation down your way shortly :-)

Hey Hook, I still have that photo of you on a date! Oink!!! :-)

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Paul, I'll do in a Cape Buff with it in June, then have to start planning a Water Buff annihilation down your way shortly :-)

Beibs, i'll be in the bush in June, away from my computer and most others forms of comm's as well, so my best wishes to your on your hunt.
I regret that i'll not see your report and your first impressions on the gun/cartridge, i'll just have to track down the report when I get home.

I guess it's not hard to tell this (.500 MDM) holds a very special spot in my heart, it's great to see it getting more popular !

Cheers,

Paul.

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Hey Hook, I still have that photo of you on a date! Oink!!! :-)

Biebs, that wasn't a date with you was it? Now I'm really starting to get concerned with the "5 guys, one bed chalet thing"

Whew..... Things are getting "UGLY" to say the least on this thread.....




I think I'd much rather Porn out on THIS...........



Much Better Looking............




Well, I suppose its "GoodBye" to this rifle, it is Packed and Stacked and on its way to its new HOME with Biebs......... Would have liked to had another week, but its off and running now, its in Biebs hands to do good with it, to go forth and slay the black beasts of the world.............

While I will miss it I know its going to a really good home in which it will be used, and appreciated, and in a month or so, it will return victorious from its mission, and its encounter with

"BLACK DEATH"..........

HEH HEH .............

M

The "Terminator" is ready for Africa!!!

Pine rosin is the best for hold scopes in place. 30" pounds will crush scope tubes and cause malfunctions. I use 14" inch pounds and rings that will hold scopes in place at 14" pounds. The Leupys quick detach are not the best at holding scope in place in my experience.

JWP.... 14" would not hold one of these scopes on these rifles for 2 shots...... They won't hold at 24 either, I found at 28 they hold....... But these heavier 30mm won't hold at 28.....

I have used QRWs since 1995 and never had them come up short, they have 4 screws for each ring. Todays QRW is better than ever as well, much improved since I first started using them way back...... And you know I damn well not just use them, but they get "abused" terrible here.......

HEH... You mentioned "Rosin", I think RIP said "Rosin", and I said "Resin".... I got curious now....

rosin |ˈräzən|
noun
resin, esp. the solid amber residue obtained after the distillation of crude turpentine oleoresin, or of naphtha extract from pine stumps. It is used in adhesives, varnishes, and inks and for treating the bows of stringed instruments.



resin |ˈrezən|
noun
a sticky flammable organic substance, insoluble in water, exuded by some trees and other plants (notably fir and pine).


I suppose we are all three correct..........



Biebs.... "TERMINATOR"................ HEH HEH...

Michael, it's what Arnold would use! :-)

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Michael, it's what Arnold would use! :-)

Not sure what Arnold would use but he would drink fanta

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Originally posted by michael458:
JWP.... 14" would not hold one of these scopes on these rifles for 2 shots...... They won't hold at 24 either, I found at 28 they hold....... But these heavier 30mm won't hold at 28.....

I have used QRWs since 1995 and never had them come up short, they have 4 screws for each ring. Todays QRW is better than ever as well, much improved since I first started using them way back...... And you know I damn well not just use them, but they get "abused" terrible here.......

HEH... You mentioned "Rosin", I think RIP said "Rosin", and I said "Resin".... I got curious now....

rosin |ˈräzən|
noun
resin, esp. the solid amber residue obtained after the distillation of crude turpentine oleoresin, or of naphtha extract from pine stumps. It is used in adhesives, varnishes, and inks and for treating the bows of stringed instruments.



resin |ˈrezən|
noun
a sticky flammable organic substance, insoluble in water, exuded by some trees and other plants (notably fir and pine).


I suppose we are all three correct..........



Biebs.... "TERMINATOR"................ HEH HEH...

Use the same rings that I use and I wager heavily that 14 will hold.

I had the same problems in the past with those Leupys ring. Could not tighten them enough to prevent scope slippage. I moved to better equipment that will hold when torqued to spec.

Doc M,

You are correct, it is "resin" and I said "rosin" because I think it is funny to say it that way, because it is inferior to RTV silicone adhesive.
14 inch-pounds would work if RTV silicone adhesive is used,
though more inch-pounds than that is advisable for 8x40 ring screws anytime!!!

Wheeler Engineering FAT WRENCH "firearm accurizing torque wrench" instructions recommend 28 to 30 inch-pounds for: "#8 screws--typically used for rings"
That is what I do, and have never damaged a scope from doing so.

Of course the Leupold QRW rings are as good as it gets for gripping a scope.
Anybody who believes otherwise is just yanking his own chain.

Of course the most secure method of attaching the scope and rings to rifle (good as it gets)
is the CZ 550 Magnum with main mounting bolts torqued to 65 inch-pounds.
You do not want to torque QRW levers that much, or any other QD levers I know of.
Not yanking my own chain there.

Riposte by Rip

The screws may take 30 inch pounds but the scope tubes routinely will not.

A tactical ring at 14 inch pounds requires no resin, rosin, or atv adhesive or any other aid to secure the scope in place. Not inexpensive and strong as a tank.

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Originally posted by jwp475:
A tactical ring at 14 inch pounds requires no resin, rosin, or atv adhesive or any other aid to secure the scope in place.

Yup, on a .223 AR or obese .308 tactical rifle ...
Or a handgun with a tiny little scope?
And the ugliness, weight, and bulk of them offend even my redneck aesthetics.

I suffer from "Crooked Scope Syndrome"........ "OCD" when it comes to crooked ass scopes...... I just can't
bear it........

This morning, getting ready to pack my 500 B&M... Look through the scope, "YIKES".. It looks CROOKED, COCKEYED to one side

After 15 minutes of LOOKING, my arms are about to fall off, I decide to loosen the rings and straighten it! Once I am satisfied, lock it back down. Now I have to go check this and tweak it back to around 1 inch high at 50.......

Load up 13 rounds..... Off to the range...... Also running 3 down, 1 in the tube, works great this gun.... Running it hard to make sure...... OK, good to go, a little tweaking right back to 1 inch high center.....

Pick up the gun off the bench...... YIKES..... Its turned!!!!!!! Several times up to the shoulder, getting ready to go loosen and beat the hell out of the inside of the rings, find some heavy duty RIP GLUE and start over!!!! Wait a minute, let me take a look outside...... Throw the gun up multiple times.... Wait, it does not look crooked out here in the field? No man, its straight, good to go.... Don't mess with it anymore!

OCD I am telling you.......... Where are my pills for this????

Well, at least you won't have to worry about a scope when my 500MDM arrives .

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Originally posted by tanks:
Well, at least you won't have to worry about a scope when my 500MDM arrives .

Yeah, don't have to worry about getting yours straight, as long as I don't have it turned around

BACKWARDS

Are we suffering from the pre-hunt doldrums…

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Originally posted by capoward:
Are we suffering from the pre-hunt doldrums…

More like the "pre-hunt scramble" to get everything in place and finished in prep to leave....... or it could just be my OCD acting up, which is probably more of a reality........

Scramble is true; clock is ticking down. Maybe a little OCD kicking into the mix but that's not necessarily a bad thing...

The Terminator is here! Picked it up today....looks great. It's hard to believe such a compact rifle can pack that much power. Michael goes way over the top with MDM builds...I got a box today with ammunition, bullets, dies, test loads with other combinations, solids, Non-Cons....you name it!

WHOOOOOO HHOOOOOOOOO!!!
Buff better watch out now.

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Originally posted by Biebs:
The Terminator is here! Picked it up today....looks great. It's hard to believe such a company rifle can pack that much power. Michael goes way over the top with MDM builds...I got a box today with ammunition, bullets, dies, test loads with other combinations, solids, Non-Cons....you name it!

Congratulations on a beautiful rifle, can't wait to see a dead buff laying next to it!

Stay tuned...carnage to follow :-)

So Biebs,

Have you shot it yet? What do you think?

I put a dozen rounds through it today, and it is amazingly accurate. It moves quite a bit in recoil, but is not punishing like a Weatherby's recoil. My nephew shot it as well. Tomorrow I have another couple AR guys coming up to my range. One had a BM rifle, and I'll shoot the MDM again as well. Great ballistics in a short compact package. Me like! :-)

Can't wait to see it, hold it, drool on it....
And I can't wait to see what it does to a buff!

Biebs/Rick

Put yourself in the buff shoes for once. Please be kind to the buff in Malanpati.

Mike