Remington quite possibly believes they can produce Dakotas more efficiently than the present owners can. Let's hope they are right.

Remington believes they can produce a quality, upper grade, semicustom rifle.

their custom shop has been doing it for decades, why would anyone think they couldn't with a "superior" action?

get over it, fellas, its a done deal, and pissin in your beer just makes it salty and warm

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
ForrestB,

likely, but what can they do with Dakota? They darn sure can't make enough money on their (Dakota's) volume to pay the interest on the loan.

Rich
Buff Killer

One thing they can do is produce Remington (or DPMS, Marlin, etc.) parts on Dakota equipment, making the Dakota shop a more cost efficient operation. I doubt the machines run full time on the Dakota production alone. And experienced operators don't grow on trees so that was a win-win for all.

Plus they have a cost advantage for parts that Dakota previously out-sourced that can be made in bigger, cheaper Remington facilities.

I am already seeing Dakotas (well one anyway) on Gunbroker listed as "pre-Remington"...

I love it - "Pre-Remington" Dakotas.

Unlike the "Pre-64 Winchester" label, however, the "Pre-Remington Dakota" label may be an indicator of lesser, rather than better, quality.

It would be great if Remington would build the Dakota-brand big bores with honestly-graded wood and so that the overpriced stocks don't split and splinter behind the tang.

Call me crazy, but I expect the stock to be pretty and to hold together under recoil on a $5,000 rifle.

On the other hand, asking Remington to build a $5,000 rifle is like asking the folks at Yugo to build a Rolls Royce Phantom.

As I have said, it will be interesting to watch this unfold.

I am still very skeptical, based on their track record with the 798 and 799s. I think I will stick with CZ and look at AHR for upgrades/customizing.

Rich
Buff Killer

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I am still very skeptical, based on their track record with the 798 and 799s. I think I will stick with CZ and look at AHR for upgrades/customizing.

Rich
Buff Killer

let me make this REALLY clear

remington did not BUY zavasta
Remington DID buy the corporate assests of Dakota

ZAVASTA makes their actions to a contract SPECIFICATION

remington does not own, run, maintain, or even control zavasta production.

Remington has improved baikal quality, rich -- that's why it took so long to get out the spartan

you remember, buddy.. you just bought a spartan, as produced FOR remington, at double the price of the PIPEBOMB that baikal would have sold us.

You, sir, have just bought an item improved by remington specifications.

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
I love it - "Pre-Remington" Dakotas.

Unlike the "Pre-64 Winchester" label, however, the "Pre-Remington Dakota" label may be an indicator of lesser, rather than better, quality.

It would be great if Remington would build the Dakota-brand big bores with honestly-graded wood and so that the overpriced stocks don't split and splinter behind the tang.

Call me crazy, but I expect the stock to be pretty and to hold together under recoil on a $5,000 rifle.

On the other hand, asking Remington to build a $5,000 rifle is like asking the folks at Yugo to build a Rolls Royce Phantom.

As I have said, it will be interesting to watch this unfold.

Maybe they will take a Dakota action, and make it into a working mans rifle at a more reasonable price than Dakota did

Will they rename the cartridges to Remington so what was a 450 Dakota is now a 450 Remington?
If they push the Remikota carts that will be a good thing IMHO. If they make factory 338 Remikota that is affordable with cheaper ammo that is a boon. Rechamber your 338 wins if you want to push the heavier bullets faster ect.

OK, I'll defend free enterprise, Cerberus isn't trying to force anyone to live their life by Cerberus' rules.....unlike the statist who are bailing everything out these days, all for the good of the people of course. The "free" in free enterprise means that there will be some practices, (cut costs to boost profits, sell off assets) that you may not like, but, if they aren't free to do that, you soon won't be free to run your business as you see fit.

As far as I know (and I at least know some of their folks) they (Cerberus) are simply investors who buy troubled companies, all over the world, with the goal of turning them into productive operations over a course of years. I wasn't aware they owned Remington, it doesn't show as one of their investments, probably due it's small size. Given that Remington is a small change investment in their universe, Remington's buying Dakota may not amount to much more than an entry on someone's expense report. Remington probably got a collection of machine tools cheap, maybe they integrate Dakota with their custom shop and the combined operation makes sense. As to whether there is a payout for their purchase of Dakota, you need to know what they paid before you can judge the possibilities.

As to the name Cerberus, the only explaination I know is that it was all the rage some years back to name hedge funds after mythological creatures, or mountains, or flowers.

i agree that we should sit and wait to see how this unfolds, but will this make dakota harder to get and better??? will remington end the sales of just actions and make you buy a exspensive gun that you would still have to take to a gunsmith to make it the way you want???? i hope to still be able to buy just actions, im saving for one or two now!

YZ,

How many Dakotas have YOU had to take to the gunsmith?

I have two and they both shoot and handle well. They are bedded with a very tough bedding compound and I personally don't know of a stock splitting but given the number of guns out there I,m sure some must have.

Even when Don owned the company whoever rated their wood was wildly optimistic. I actually have seen sapwood in a new dakota stock.

The rems,( I have several ) other than accuracy, in no way compare to the Dakota. The workmanship on Rems is pedestrian at best. The safety is dangerous and the extractor is the worst in the industry. They are shooters and I have my smith do the safety and all my triggers.

Just my experiences, yours may differ.

Adrian