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Originally posted by Atkinson:
P. Taylor,
We have had wadcutter solids for several years now. Bridger bullets made a neat flat nose wad cutter solid and sent me a ton of them. GS Customs has produced such a bullet for a number of years and they work great. Northfork bullet company also makes a wadcutter flat nose solid.

However the greatest bullet I have ever seen for DG is NorthForks flat nose, cup point solid, it penetrates about as much as any solid but expands somewhat (to the depth of the cup)and leaves a devastating wound. How can you beat that? It's fantastic on Buffalo and even plainsgame. I don't think I would use it on elephant, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it worked just fine on them..

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Originally posted by boom stick:

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
P. Taylor,
We have had wadcutter solids for several years now. Bridger bullets made a neat flat nose wad cutter solid and sent me a ton of them. GS Customs has produced such a bullet for a number of years and they work great. Northfork bullet company also makes a wadcutter flat nose solid.

However the greatest bullet I have ever seen for DG is NorthForks flat nose, cup point solid, it penetrates about as much as any solid but expands somewhat (to the depth of the cup)and leaves a devastating wound. How can you beat that? It's fantastic on Buffalo and even plainsgame. I don't think I would use it on elephant, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it worked just fine on them..

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ps...those are conical solids

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Originally posted by boom stick:
pt if you want i could send you a sample of the speers...I just have to find them...the wife cleaned the garage and i cant find s#!t

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Originally posted by NFMike:
If you are talking a full cylindrical nose section, first, they wouldn't (don't) feed for crap. Second, the cylindrical shape will not withstand impact stresses as well as the cone shape. IOW, they are more likely rivet or enlarge the nose on impact. The angled sides of the TC give a sort of truss effect which can withstand impact stress better. On an experimental basis, I sent some full cylinder solids to Africa and the results were not satisfactory, at least not as far as providing pure penetration.

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Originally posted by Pegleg:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
pt if you want i could send you a sample of the speers...I just have to find them...the wife cleaned the garage and i cant find s#!t

You let your wife in the garage????

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She did it while i was at work...damn i was pissed...she has that disorder that everything has to be perfect like a museum. she will cook than clean the whole kitchen before she can sit down to eat...yeah some might think that is cool but it aint worth it.

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Originally posted by fritz454:
Back when I was designing bullets I did a lot of testing, 10s of thousands of rounds, into various media to test penetration. I went from bore size and kept decreasing the meplat size by 1/4" degree increment changes to the cone shaped sides of the nose.

Penetration at first went up rapidly as the cone became more tapered. In fact the true wad cutter had the least penetration of all nose shapes tested. They all tumbled very soon after impact.

At an 8° included angle the results were fairly steady until 10.75° was reached. At that point penetration decreased. Eventually the angle appeared to have minimal if any effect on penetration. The average deepest penetration was at 8.5°- 9°. I made my bullets with a 10° included cone to aid in feeding since the difference was small and the spread from shot to shot was greater than the difference in the average penetration.

All my results were from actual shooting, not formulas. Of course no test media is a substitute for game but my results mirror what I've seen in the field.

I agree with Ray, when I added a cutting shoulder it seemed to have a substantial impact on it's lethality in game, although no difference in penetration could be seen in the media tests.

FWIW - The media I shot into was wet paper, wet sheet rock, plywood, water, and a very little was done in ballistic gel. I also shot into some combinations of the above i.e. wet paper with plywood at certain spacing.

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Oh My!!! Yes, like that but shoot them ass first. No nipple just a full caliber wadcutter. Not sure if you could even tell the difference in performance between what I envision and those examples posted. WOW!!

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Well I suppose you could always seat them backwards and if you kept the range at buffalo shooting distance the Northfork, GS Customs or Bridger would work, but feeding would be a problem I suspect..

If you take into consideration the cuting shoulder (rings) particularly on the Bridger, you have in fact a full wad cutter..Elmer Keith figured that out many years ago when he developed the Keith Simi wad cutter, it had balistic supiority and the hit of a full wad cutter..It worked in pistols and it works in rifles IMO.

Butch Searcys son recently shot a bull elephant with Northfork flat nose simi wadcutter solid and the blood shot 4 feet out of that hole until the elephant ran out of juice..which tends to support the therory that the hole normally does not close up behind the bullet with wadcutters. Butch, his son and PH, needless to say were impressed. I have seen this on buffalo as well.

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Newton's laws of motion describe forces and momentum transfer, not energy relationships
Damage is done by stress (force), not energy.
Stresses cause damage only if they strain body tissues above their elastic limits. Most expanding handgun bullets simply waste the kinetic energy used in producing the small temporary cavities they cause.

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producing the small temporary cavities they cause