Try to decide which .375 H&H to buy

Does anyone have any experience with Jarret rifles, and if so how would you rate them.

Thank you,
Roland

Overpriced by 300%. Kenny is a LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND. For a .375 H&H look for a nice old Browning Safari grade and spend you time learning to shoot it. 1 MOA is minimal accuracy std. Pie plate at 100 yrds is damn good. A jarret won't do any better offhand.-Rob

I don't have experience with the .375, but I have owned plenty of .300 Jarrets. Now Jarret doesn't build my rifles, but my gunsmith is one of the few that can chamber for a Jarret. So my comments relate to the round itself. In the .300 and the .338, I don't think anything compares to this round. It is one of the flattest shooting .30 cals and .338 I have seen. It is an EXTREMLEY effecient cartridge that runs the same speed as RUM with alot less powder. I love these cartridges. I wish I could give a better account of the .375, but I can't. Good luck!

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
For a .375 H&H look for a nice old Browning Safari grade and spend you time learning to shoot it.-Rob

No, Rob. That's the rifle I'm looking for and would thank you kindly to quit making them so appealing to everyone else!

A PH told me a story of a client he had who brought along a Jarret rifle, and two boxes of ammo.
When the client was asked how come he did not bring any more ammo, he said his rifle is so accurate, there was no need to carry so much ammo.

A couple of rounds were fired on the range to check the zero. Then the client proceeded to wound his impala and warthog. To finish them off he fired a total of 18 rounds!! And in the process wounded another warthog. The PH had to finish off the second warthog, as the client ran out of ammo, by leaving his second box at the camp!

Not bad going using half your ammo in teh first day of a 10 day safari.

This is, of course, no reflection on Jarret rifles, but the man behind it.

Having an accurate rifle is great. But, under field conditions, I guess most factory rifles are capable of better accuracy than 90% of the hunters using them.

What Robgunbuilder said.......

Gentlemen,

Let me reflect to the question.

"Does anyone have any experience with Jarret rifles, and if so how would you rate them"

And don’t worry I will take care of my shooting abilities.

Thank you,
Roland

I've handled a few and as far as I'm concerned, you'd be better off just buying one from Remington. He assembles his rifles using Remington actions......and a load of b/s.

I better add a disclaimer....at the time I handled those Jarret rifles, he was using Rem 700 actions. I dont know or care what he's using now.

I have shot and have owned Jarretts. Out of the flock, I still own only one. The rifles I had were from the John Lewis to pre-Tri Lock action. I have had them built on Rem700 and Nesika actions in various calibers from 243 Catbird to 338 Jarrett. Overall, the fit and finish is, unitarian; no frills, no engraving, no blueing. Accuracy is what you'd expect providing you do your job behind the trigger. I have owned other rifles from other riflesmiths with the same results in terms of accuracy and finish.

With that said, Kenny's guns command what the market is willing to pay for them. Expensive, sure. Accurate, yep. But in the current market, someone is willing to pay for it so he charges appropriately. There's no mystique around what he does, no voodoo, no incantations, nada. Just sound workmanship with a proven track record.

How I would rate them? On what scale and what parameters? In my own experience, everything I have cared to point a Jarrett and squeezed the trigger has landed on the ground post haste. Out the animals I have shot only 3 have required more than 1 shot from me (poor placement and timing on my part). I have not had any failure to feeds or failure to ejects on any of the rifles using the M700 or Nesika actions. Therefore, no complaints.

I believe the most important factor to consider, outside of the physical attributes of the rifle, fit to your body physique and who makes the rifle is your confidence in the rifle when it's time to squeeze the trigger. If you're confident that your off the shelf rifle will do whatever you need it to do, then that's the rifle for you. If you want to spend $XXXXX for the rifle and that makes you confident in the rifle and yourself, then that's the rifle for you.

I think I will have to agree, in part, with Rod on this one! The price may not be overly high, because of the hours he puts in building them, however, are they worth all the trouble? I say no, because after you get past all the BS involved, what you still have is a K-Mart M700 Remington! A guarintee of 1" at 100 yds is nothing to crow about, hell I have a couple dozen factory hunting rifles that will do that. Even if he could offer a consistant 1/4" accuracy off the bench, that would still be pie in the sky in the hunting field. For a bean field deer, or elk rifle, they would be OK, but so would about a truck load of $500 off the shelf rifles.
All that said the question was,for all practical purposes, if I'm correct, how would you like one chambered for 375H&H, to use for what a 375 H&H rifle is best suited to do. My answer to that is, not only NO, but HELL NO. The 375 H&H is a large medium bore cartridge, that was designed to hunt Africa, for the most part, for everything from dik dik to ELEroserous! When used in North America, it is only used in areas where large "BITE-BACKS" live! I wouldn't hunt those larger animals with a Remington M-700, or any PF action, many, if not all, are better than the 700 REM. IMO, I would far rather have a 30 yr old old, CRF, BRNO 602, 375 H&H, than anything coming out of the BIG GREEN! When you get past the BS, and re-finish,and sells hype, the Jarret is still a pigs ear, in a silk purse, IMO!

Heck every factory rifle I've ever had will shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with handloads that I've developed for that particular rifle. Some rifles are more finicky than others, but I haven't had one yet (I guess I've been lucky) that couldn't be turned into a shooter. Don't get me wrong I like and have several custom guns, but for other reasons than just accuracy.

You hit it on the head MacD37. I, for the life of me, cant justify the cost of his rifles or any "custom" rifle that has a synthetic stock.

another disclaimer......unless said custom gun has lots of metal work, which his did not at the time I saw the ones I saw.

All I know is the Jarrett cartridge in the .300 is one of the most accurate and flattest shooting there is when properly loaded and the rifel built correctly.

I would try it in the .375. As for Jarret actually building the gun, I can't help you.

I have had a couple of his rifles through the years. Yes they shoot, but I have others such as Brown, Match Grade Arms and others built by local smiths that are equally accurate for 25 cents on the dollar. I like Ed Brown guns for a lot less money.

I actually own two Jarret rifles. One a .270win and the other a .300 Jarret. I'm not impressed with either of them. I bought both second hand and frankly expected better accuracy based on Kenny's hype. I talked to him at SCI a few years ago and was also not very impressed. He has learned how to charge big bucks for screwing mediocre barrels onto warmed over M700's and is good at telling people those synthetic stocks are really "trick". There is a sucker born every minute and they seem to flock to Kenny.
Those Browning Safari grade .375's are fantastic. The extractor guns are rare but even the pushfeeds are excellent. When you show up at a Safari camp with a nice worn (but well cared for one) The PH instantly knows your for real and not a poser. They will shoot as well or better than anything Kenny can build for what 1/3 the price. I rest my case! -Rob

One of my partners came a cross a .338 Jarret, Wind Walker model that was used and offered at a fair price with the Swarovski scope.

The gun is light and carries great. The recoil with the brak on is very easy for the caliber. With the break off, it is a beast.

It was shot out to 300 yards in preping for his Alaska hunt. The rifle was sub MOA but only with the Hornady bullet that Kenny recommended.

In conclusion:
It is very light and easy to carry. The accuracy is very good but with only one bullet and there were MANY combinations tried. The brass had to be fireformed or bought from them. This rifle almost has to be shot with the break since it is so light. Another negative for us.

In my opinion as well as this owners, it's a nice rifle but not worth the new asking price. A good deal on a used one may be a consideration. I particularly don't like that it will only shoot the one bullet well at a distance.

Sam

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Having an accurate rifle is great. But, under field conditions, I guess most factory rifles are capable of better accuracy than 90% of the hunters using them.

So, Roland1, did you obtain the answer you were seeking from all of the posts in this thread...?

It looks to me as if YOU can shoot and don't worry about that aspect of the quest.
It also looks like another 'Remington 700' bashing, which probably isn't relative to the question asked.

It even boils down to whether the gun shows if it's 'worn' or not; not so much if it's a PF or CRF.
WHAT IF you showed up with a "K-Mart M700 Remington" and it worked and you could shoot it AND it wasn't 'worn'...?
WHAT IF "If you're confident that your off the shelf rifle will do whatever you need it to do, then that's the rifle for you. If you want to spend $XXXXX for the rifle and that makes you confident in the rifle and yourself, then that's the rifle for you."

WHAT IF you DIDN'T spend all that money on a custom rifle?
WHAT IF your abilities with the equipment you bought and practiced with outweighed the opinions and perceptions of the 'experts'...?

I merely 'pose' these questions...

I believe FN resumed production of high grade "Browning Safari" (now called Browning Mauser System) in ca. 1993. It's based on K98 action and is available in .375H&H. Heck I read there is "African Mauser" chambered for .416Rigby, .500Jeffery and .505Gibbs.
These special rifles are hand assembled in Liege, Belgium.
I don't know squat about those Jarret rifles.

Paolo9.5x73,

The Browning BMS series and the big bore BMM are made for them by Dumoulin. Their new high grade sidelock shotguns are made by Lebeau Courally. The Browning USA catalog has a link to the Belgian gun section through the custom pages and they do offer the guns amde in Belgium to US clients.

Good hunting!

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Originally posted by BusMaster007:

So, Roland1,
WHAT IF you showed up with a "K-Mart M700 Remington" and it worked and you could shoot it AND it wasn't 'worn'...?

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Well, BUSMASTER"700" OH, sorry that is 007

IMO. he wouldn't be any worse off with the K-Mart 700, than with the Jarret, and he'd save enough money to pay for a good hunt! Any way you look at it, it is still a REM 700, with a big price tag, and someone else's name on it, nothing more!

You know, Busmaster007, you make a lot of sense in some of your posts, if you'd simply drop that sarcastic attitude, and climb down off that high horse, you like to ride over everone who disagrees with you! I know you think you are above the rest of us, but you must know that that is only your opinion, not shared by many here! Folks seldom see us as we see ourselves! If you find you can't get along with anyone, the place to look for the probem is in the mirror!

Drop the attitude, Hoss, nobody cares if you choose to hunt with a piece of junk, but ROLAND1 asked what the rank, and file, here, think of the Jarret rifles, and he got the answer! I see absolutely no reason for your sarcasm. Simply tell the man YOUR opinion of the rifle, and let him decide for himself. Contrary to what you might think, every opinion here is just as valuable as your's!

MacD37,

I like you.

Interesting comentary on the Jarret Rifles. Never could figure why he stuck with the Rem 700 action when for the cost many other options are available.

Dak

Some gunsmith shops have made a name for themselves and charge a premium for their name. Other small shops can make rifles of the same or better quality for much less.

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Originally posted by MacD37:


You know, Busmaster007, you make a lot of sense in some of your posts, if you'd simply drop that sarcastic attitude, and climb down off that high horse, you like to ride over everone who disagrees with you! I know you think you are above the rest of us, but you must know that that is only your opinion, not shared by many here! Folks seldom see us as we see ourselves! If you find you can't get along with anyone, the place to look for the probem is in the mirror!

Drop the attitude, Hoss, nobody cares if you choose to hunt with a piece of junk, but ROLAND1 asked what the rank, and file, here, think of the Jarret rifles, and he got the answer! I see absolutely no reason for your sarcasm. Simply tell the man YOUR opinion of the rifle, and let him decide for himself. Contrary to what you might think, every opinion here is just as valuable as your's!

Mac.

My sentiments EXACTLEY! Good post!

Greg

Here is a link to one of the Browning Mauser Magnum rifles made by Dumoulin in 505 Gibbs. I would try and did upo the money to buy it, but it isn't tarted up enough for my tastes:
Browning 505 Gibbs
Maybe Puff Daddy is in the market?
lawndart

Too bad Allen Day is still in Africa. He's had considerable experience with subject rifle. Personally, I've handled and fired them and I wasn't impressed, but then again, any rifle with on a 700 action doesn't cut it with me. I know a lot of you like them, but I don't care for them. jorge

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Too bad Allen Day is still in Africa.

Probably not something he's thinking.

Chuck

I've owned three Jarret rifles, two in 300 Jarret and another in 280AI. All were very accurate with loads they liked, worked very smoothly and were finished nicely. A friend has another in 300 Jarret and everything said about mine would apply to his. These were all built on M700 actions, and were far better in every aspect of finish and functionality than any factory M700 I've handled...which one should expect!
I wouldn't have a problem with one in 375 as long as it was built on a M70 crf action, but there are other builders I would pick before Kenny these days.

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Originally posted by John S:
I've owned three Jarret rifles, two in 300 Jarret and another in 280AI. All were very accurate with loads they liked, worked very smoothly and were finished nicely. A friend has another in 300 Jarret and everything said about mine would apply to his. These were all built on M700 actions, and were far better in every aspect of finish and functionality than any factory M700 I've handled...which one should expect!
I wouldn't have a problem with one in 375 as long as it was built on a M70 crf action, but there are other builders I would pick before Kenny these days.

I really agree with everything you posted. You just can't knock the cartridge. You might the builder, but the cartridge IMO awesome.

Mac and Rob, look...Roland had to ask his own question TWICE.
Saeed jumped in and said it's 90% HUNTER, not so much the rifle.
It was AFTER that when I jumped in with my hypothetical questions related to the comments made.

If you have a rifle and can shoot it, what difference does it make if it's bone stock or a gilded lily?
This, to me, is like believing a race car 'must be fast' because it is painted in primer instead of red. You just won't know until you take it out on the track and see what the driver can do with it.
The guy basically said he can shoot, so I posed questions about a combination of things to give thought to before spending big bucks on a custom rifle made by anyone --- including Remington.

What I was attempting to do was play the Devil's Advocate by making observations regarding the platform and shooting ability of the gun and shooter.
I don't take lightly the opinions or experiences of the participants of this Forum. I have a great deal of respect for the place and the people who post here.

I quoted a couple of posts to be able to make a point in my 'What if' questions.
No other motive was present there.

I hope Roland finds the .375 he wants, no matter what form it takes.
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Now, for the bickering we seem to fall so quickly into:

Because this is the internet, no inflection can be heard by the original poster of the comments, making it difficult to ascertain exactly how the person meant it to be.
Often it is our own inflection that kindles the flame of discontent, far from what the other guy meant it to sound like.

Your claim of mental trickery by 'knowing' what I think of myself...is absurd.
I do own an attitude, but I don't own a horse.

As for the sarcasm, maybe I watched too many episodes of "MacGyver" when I was a kid...
I appreciate the compliment you did offer, though, thank you.

Aside from the Jarrett rifles built on M700's doesn't he build all of his rifles on his own proprietary action now? The Tri-Lock something or other...

I think he will still build one on the M700, he did for my friend about a year or so ago. I do know he has raised his prices considerably, and for me they are now grossly overpriced compared to the competition.

I have several Jarrett chambered rifles, none of which were built by him. As lightning said, my rifles were built by the same person as him in Flower Mound at less than half the cost of an "Official Jarrett" rifle. I have a .300 and .338 Jarrett, both of which will shoot half inch groups day in an day out.

However, I have had some experience with the Jarretts and thier employees at the SCI convention, I actually had an altercation this past year in thier booth which came within inches of Jay Jarrett (Kenneys son) and one of their employees loosing some of their teeth. I wrote a letter to Mr. Jarrett, whom I had gone ito the booth to meet, thinking that he would be apalled as the business owner at the actions of his employees and I never recieved a response, I must assume that he condones their actions, which makes him no better. All I can say about them is that they are unwarrantedly overpriced and have a sadly overblown image of their importance within the custom rifle field.

If you search this fourm for Jarrett you will find the complete thread I wrote about this last Feb.

Try SG @ Y rifles Speedy Gonzales, you connot go wrong

silwane,
you got it......Jarret is just a blow hard that lucked up and married money.

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Originally posted by BusMaster007:
Mac and Rob, Your claim of mental trickery by 'knowing' what I think of myself...is absurd.
I do own an attitude, but I don't own a horse.

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i have never seen a rifle i would give my left nut for...untill now

Well, I for one thought that there were some interesting distinctions made:
1. Separate the Jarrett rifles from the Jarrett line of cartridges.
2. Jarrett riles are accurate, but for a caliber like the 375H&H, and the type of animals that will be hunted, how accurate do you need?
3. Is it all just for bragging rights?
Interesting thread and I continue to learn.
Peter.

Busmaster007- No offense, but can you read? Do you really understand what your reading? Your replies make nearly no sense at all! Drugs?stupidity? Internet Google expertise? No offense but I doubt you have even the remotest knowledge of anything related to firearms period. Your ability to TRACK a vein of thought is let us say obviously "limited in the exteme". Please spare us your knowledge and insight". If you are for real please educate us by posting some pictures of your .375 African battery and perhaps some real animal pictures taken with those same guns. Come on, Show us your stuff!!! If they don't exist please just shut up. If that wasn't kinder and gentler. I could carfe less!-Rob