Is it close ? SxS 45-70

10 May 2005, 10:33

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Item # 89980 MSRP $559.00
Mfg Remington|Spartan Gunworks Your Price: $484.94
Model SPR22 Side by Side Rifle Sale Ends:
Type Rifle Quantity: 0
Caliber: 45-70 Finish Blue
Additional Specifications
Action: Side by Side
Stock: Walnut, Satin, Checkered, Pistol Grip
Capacity: 2
Receiver: Blue
Sights: Open Sights
Barrel Length: 23.5" with 11mm Scope Rail
Overall Length: 40.5"
Weight: 7.5 lbs
Butt Plate Recoil Pad: Black Rubber Recoil Pad
Additional Features 1: Extractor, Double Trigger, Sling Swivel Studs
Additional Features 2: Length of Pull 14 1/4"

10 May 2005, 15:48

jeffeosso

damn close... they got any in stock

jeffe

opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com

10 May 2005, 19:19

Fjold

I saw them listed for $502 at another website but no quantitiy on hand and a call to them revealed that they were anticipating delivery in late fall.

Frank

"I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money."
- Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953

NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite

15 May 2005, 16:43

Smoker*

Hey Guys,

I called my gunsmith, Bill Moyer in Carlisle, PA. He said pretty much the same as what Fjold said except that he thinks he will be able to offer a better price than what RMiller stated.

I've had a few custom rifles built by him and he is absolutely honest. I told him to order one for me.

Does anyone know or has has anyone heard about the strength of the actions on the 45-70s? The Spartan page said that you should follow the SAMMI specs. for loading but ...if it is the same action as will be on the 30-06, maybe the rifles could be loaded a little hotter...

If anyone has any info. please share it!

Thanks,

Smoker

17 May 2005, 18:49

El Deguello

quote:
Originally posted by Smoker*:
Hey Guys,

I called my gunsmith, Bill Moyer in Carlisle, PA. He said pretty much the same as what Fjold said except that he thinks he will be able to offer a better price than what RMiller stated.

I've had a few custom rifles built by him and he is absolutely honest. I told him to order one for me.

Does anyone know or has has anyone heard about the strength of the actions on the 45-70s? The Spartan page said that you should follow the SAMMI specs. for loading but ...if it is the same action as will be on the 30-06, maybe the rifles could be loaded a little hotter...

If anyone has any info. please share it!

Thanks,

Smoker

Yes! According to Remington, they will NOT guarantee them as safe for use with any ammo developing OVER 28,000 PSI .... This is SAAMI max for a factory-loaded .45/70.

I believe this may be a chamber-wall thickness limitation, rather than an action-strength issue, since the '06 barrels will have much heavier chamber walls.

18 May 2005, 10:40

416SW

back thrust is a product of pressure and rim/body size, don't forget this is there sxs shotgun action, Baikal that is.
Their page obviously hasn't been updated for a while.
Baikal

19 May 2005, 17:50

jeffeosso

okay.. just to check...
i weighed the crackhead bigbore (45/70 handirifle, loaded hot)

it's 6# 8.3 oz...

so, the remington at 7.5# would be REDUCED recoil compared...

dang it, i'll take one

jeffe

19 May 2005, 19:15

Brent

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
so, the remington at 7.5# would be REDUCED recoil compared...

dang it, i'll take one

jeffe

There is a pallet of them sitting in a warehouse in Central Iowa. Should be available soon or sooner.

Brent

19 May 2005, 20:34

Wannabe

I would be very interested in the impressions anybody who gets one of these rifles has. Anytime I see something that is much less than I would otherwise expect, I am suspicious to say the least. My opinion of the Russian manufactured firearms has been pretty low. I figured that one of these guns might be a good purchase as "fun gun" but little else. Who know's? I've been wrong before.

19 May 2005, 20:54

Savage99

http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_product.asp?dealer_id=230007&item=89980&instock=all&manufact_combo=None&mod_ser_combo=None&category_combo=None&model=None&g_type=None&act_type=&finish_type=None&calib_combo=45%2D70&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=None&left_handed=&youth=&Offset_rec=0&num_rec=50&item_num=

20 May 2005, 17:05

Savage99

Elmer Keith is quoted as having asked "What's it good for?"

The rifle above interests me as a low noise short range deer dropper. I want a rifle that will not be heard much, not shake windows and yet penetrate the base of a deers neck/shoulder and drop it. I see a 405 gr hard cast bullet with a flat nose as doing that at modest velocity.

Maybe it won't be a "whisper" but it may just sound like a distant shotgun pop.

That's a good enough reason for me.

Also I was not looking forward to heavy recoil and my application and load will not generate a lot of recoil.

20 May 2005, 23:25

boom stick

i want to buy one and see if garrett hammerheads will work...behind a protective shield that is...

i wonder about taking the 30-06 one and rechamber it in 375 or 411 hawk...now thats a thought...can it be done???

25 May 2005, 18:43

SwiftShot

That would be a nice rifle but a side by side in will it handle the garrett loads.

25 May 2005, 18:51

deciple-of-keith

Oh please God hear my prayer please send some To auz

As I'm lookin for a new Fun Gun to use on Camel

27 May 2005, 09:14

idahoelk101

I saw the Spartan shotgun in Kmart the other day. I was suprised at the wood quality. A fair ammout of color and nice streaking. I wonder if they will be using the same quality of wood on these?

27 May 2005, 18:47

ROSCOE

Brent,
What is the news with the Pallet in Iowa. Ready to sell yet? Put me on the list if you have any to offer.

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27 May 2005, 18:57

Brent

Roscoe, I'm not selling them. All I know is that a buddy that works for the national distributor for these things has a pallet of them in the warehouse. I imagine they will be going out at any moment.

Brent

27 May 2005, 19:38

Roger

Brent,

Your buddy didn't hapen to notice where they were being trucked to, did he?

Roger QSL

27 May 2005, 19:50

Brent

quote:
Brent,

Your buddy didn't hapen to notice where they were being trucked to, did he?

Roger QSL

Nope but I can ask what's happening. I imagine they will show up everywhere.

Brent

27 May 2005, 20:20

fla3006

quote:
idahoelk101: I saw the Spartan shotgun in Kmart the other day. I was suprised at the wood quality. A fair ammout of color and nice streaking. I wonder if they will be using the same quality of wood on these?

The various Spartans on display at the NRA show all had fairly decent wood, including the double rifle.

28 May 2005, 07:27

RIP

If it's closing time at the local gun pub, AND if I have been sniffing enough Hoppe's No.9, AND if I spot one of those on the shelf, she just might go home with me.

This happened recently with a T.T.N. Model 1878 Old West shotgun ... It is a rebuilt Chinese shotgun with a barrel extension as a sort of third fastener, hammers bent inward a bit for simultaneous cocking with one thumb, new mainsprings, new gold bead, nice walnut, steel buttplate, 18-1/2" SXS barrels choked straight cylinder, for 12 guage 3" cartouche ... would make Elmer Fudd or Doc Holliday proud.