This is an e-mail from Purdey I received after inquiring about them building me a bolt rifle in 375 Ruger. I have edited it ONLY to remove my personal information...so either it is the end of the world as some people know it (no names need be mentioned) or it makes the 375 Ruger...dare I say it.....a "REAL, VALIDATED, GENUINE, DG RIFLE CARTRIDGE"....oh my, duck, the you know what is about to hit the fan....
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From: Nigel.Beaumont@james-purdey.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:13 AM
To:
Cc: Linda.Corkill@james-purdey.co.uk
Subject: Bolt Rifle


Dear Mr
Please find my comments in highlight in your text below.
Kind regards
Nigel Beaumont.

NIGEL BEAUMONT.
+44 (0) 7770818824 mob
+44 (0) 207 4991801

James Purdey & Sons Limited registered office: 57-58 South Audley Street, London W1K 2ED number: 208758 England



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Linda Corkill
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Nigel

This seems to be the week for bolt action rifles.............................



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Sirs:

After having researched all of the best makers located in London and surrounding areas, I have chosen your company to inquire about having a rifle built for myself.Thank you for considering us. We are meking bolt rifles in all calbres
I am interested in a best quality bolt gun, using a Mauser M98, or similar, action for this rifle.We would only make these calibres on square bridge Mauser actions. These are of course new made. I would like to have it weigh in at between 8.5 and 9 pounds unloaded.This weight would be possible. I would like to have a 26\" length barrel, equipped with open sights. Those sights would consist of a one standing, two folding rear sight, cut in a shallow \"V\" shape. The foresight would be a banded style with a 3/32\" diameter ivory bead, and if possible, a fold up \"night\" sight for shooting in less than ideal conditions. The barrel should also have a banded forward sling swivel. I would prefer to have a magazine capacity of 5 cartridges plus an additional one in the chamber.
I would like a fairly straight grained piece of darker walnut for the stock, with an ebony, or similar, forend tip, 90 degrees to forend. Checkering should be a minimum of 22LPI, although I would prefer 24 LPI. These particulars are all possible I would also like a Silvers butt pad installed.O.K. I realize if I go through with this project that stock measurements will be necessary.
As for caliber, I would be very interested in the new 375 bore Ruger cartridge, just recently introduced. I would prefer the Ruger cartridge as it is shorter and would better fit a standard length Mauser M98 action. I will use this gun as an open sight only, with no need for provisions for telescopic sight.
Thank you for your time, and please let me know if this is a project that is at all possible. Again, thank for your time and consideration.



The price for the rifle would be £19,500.00 with standard engraving with a 50% deposit.( As yet you have not mentioned the engraving pattern you want. Special engraving will be an extra £2,500.oo approx). Delivery would be 1 year. I hope this is of help and please do not hesitate to get back to me if it is of interest.

As this is an open sight rifle your measurements would be relevant. However unless you are over 6 feet tall the rifle will have a length of pull between 14 1/4" and 14 1/2".



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damn! where is the crow eating icon!

Purdey's will make you nearly anything you like - we all knew this.

I hope to hell you didn't "waste" Mr. Beaumont's time for the sake of argument on this forum.

I suppose you wouldn't do something that inconsiderate, ergo irresponsible. Of course you wouldn't, silly me!

So, I personally can't wait to see your new rifle...This sounds like a cool project...Post pics as soon as you get it.

Regards and congrats,

Jeff

Well,well,well, its interesting what a simple direct enquiry will do...
Purdey is out of the closet!!!
a sad day, for some
But great news for 375R.
Congomike, If you had not made that enquiry, I was going to put the idea forward to MYTH BUSTERS, now ya gone and taken all my fun away!

serious move...Mr CM

Looking foreward to see it...as Purdey allways makes some of the finest guns in the world.
I would be so thrilled and impatient if I had ordered and gun from a london Top Gunmaker...perhaps everybody ought to do it atleast once in their life...if they like a fine gun ofcouse...

Wow.............I thought that no "top maker" would make a rifle in 375 Ruger

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Originally posted by congomike: I would like to have a 26\" length barrel, equipped with open sights.

Hornady says the 375 Rooger will better the H&H with a 20" barrel length. Why have Purdey hang such a long pipe?

quote:

Originally posted by Iron Buck:
Wow.............I thought that no "top maker" would make a rifle in 375 Ruger

l
Nope...but your are now going to see one now..that´s for sure with leathercovered butt,
intergral scopemount milled in bridges, the finest gunwood ever imagined..and perhaps some slight touches of english scroll..all cased in oak & Leather in the finest style of the british gunmaking trade......

All this proves is that Purdey will be delighted to continue shearing the sheep for as long as Purdey can keep them in the pen.this is not a vote for anything but your check&they have double the cost of the gun with your deposit.anyone would be ecstatic with that deal

quote:

Originally posted by KimR:
All this proves is that Purdey will be delighted to continue shearing the sheep for as long as Purdey can keep them in the pen.this is not a vote for anything but your check&they have double the cost of the gun with your deposit.anyone would be ecstatic with that deal

While this may be true.....it had been suggested that they WOULD NOT make a 375 Ruger at any cost. So......it proves something else as well

it proves that whoever made the suggestion has not had much exposure to the British gun trade"professionals"once was offered a sidelock Rigby 410b with a set of Rigby DR bbls in 38-72does that confer some mystical power to that chambering??

quote:

Originally posted by congomike:
... As for caliber, I would be very interested in the new 375 bore Ruger cartridge, just recently introduced.

...

please let me know if this is a project that is at all possible.

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The price for the rifle would be £19,500.00 ...

James Purdey & Sons Limited

Oh my...


Puts "Asked and answered" to that question, doesn't it?

jeffe

Isn't Purdey that shotgun company?

Even Purdey likes the .375 Ruger. A new "classic" is born! I am nostalgic already.

Great photo album, Charles.

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:

Great photo album, Charles.

Thank you sir.

congomike

Here is what to do next

Contact Wby Custom Shop and ask them about doing a 375 Ruger. Tell them you want the rifle to be of the same lines as the previous High Gloss Royal Custom but their special select French and their Number 3 contour with Kreiger cut rifle barrel and action work option and 24 inch and no muzzle brake. You also want Number 7 Inlays added in the same position as on their Crown Custom. Make sure you tell them that you understand the rifle will have to be purchased through one of their dealers but that you would like to know the manufacture's recommended retail price and availability in the 375 Ruger and approximate waiting time.

Also ask them about availability of doing the 375 Ruger in their Safari style model but with the special select French and Kreiger cut rifle Number 3 barrel.

Now for the good part. I think you will get a "No" from Wby. If you do then you submit to Ruger that the Purdey will do a 375 Ruger but the home of whorehouse rifles will not. They can then use this in their advertising. Maybe you will get a dollar or two

Mike

Thanks all for the mostly positive and humerus posts...as for "wasting someone's time" well, I guess I am guilty.
First of all, this e-mail followed a phone call where I made it clear that I was mostly window shopping and was interested in what a Purdey rifle would cost. Nigel was very generous and told me to e-mail my specs and he would send me a quote..so going in, he knew I wasn't real serious about this...just looking for information.
And yes, when I bought my wife her new truck, I "wasted" one salesman's time when I didn't buy the first truck he showed me, and even went somewhere else to buy it...and this one I really feel ashamed of...I was at a restaurant, ordered dinner and an apetizer, then had the nerve and gall to call the waiter back and cancel the apetizer!!! I fell totally ashamed, to this day for wasting the waiter's time!!

quote:

as for "wasting someone's time" well, I guess I am guilty.
First of all, this e-mail followed a phone call where I made it clear that I was mostly window shopping and was interested in what a Purdey rifle would cost. Nigel was very generous and told me to e-mail my specs and he would send me a quote..so going in, he knew I wasn't real serious about this...just looking for information.

I think what you did is called "making an inquiry"

perfectly legit, and handling these is part of what Mr. Beaumont's duties are, at the risk of speaking for him. I wonder what percentage of all inquiries result in a sale?

So, what's next?

A call to Aston Martin asking them to make you a DB9 with a Honda engine?

Kudos to Purdey for politely responding to an inquiry that on its face is obvious B.S. But perhaps I missed something. Did the email say, "We
will be happy to chamber your rifle in .375 Ruger"? Or did they ignore the caliber portion of the inquiry?

Well, the way I read the e-mail, is that I inquired about a bolt rifle chambered in 375 Ruger, and they gave me a price.......I guess if I go into a gun store and ask if there is a Smith and Wesson revolver available in 44 magnum, and then ask what the price is, and they quote me a price, I would think logic would dictate that it is indeed available...after all how can you logically quote a price on something that doesn't exist, or in the case of Purdey, they won't constuct? Unless, in the case of Purdey, do you send them the 40K for a rifle and let them decide what caliber it is going to be? Personally, if I was going to, which I never would, spend that much for a bolt rifle, I WOULD REALLY LIKE A SAY IN WHAT CALIBER IT WILL BE CHAMBERED FOR, but then again, I guess I am a bit picky in that area........

Mike,
You used the web inquiry form and it didn't ask for a credit card number, right?

Seems that reasonable questions are answered in the old fashioned, english way...

Gratis....

you did good, and purdey, like d'arcy, answered the question the way that everyone knows they will...

"yes, please send a desposit"...

LOL.. kind of reminds be of the borat movie, where he sees the pamela sex tape.. he gets sick that his idol isn't a "veeghin"

I think what 500brains is saying, is that Purdey will quote you, but not build you a 375ruger,.... until they get his approval.

Swallow a couple of these 500gns, and C how ya feel in the morn' champ!

Woodoff,

What I am saying is that it is a typical salesman's trick to get the customer emotionally invested in the product, and convince him to switch the order over to what the exact product that company offers after all other details have been specified.

But I doubt that is happening here as Purdey could tell the inquiry was not of substance and therefore the reply was a courtesy only.

quote:

Originally posted by Woodjack:
I think what 500brains is saying, is that Purdey will quote you, but not build you a375ruger, until they get his approval.

LMAO! That's funny!

The difference between Purdey's building a .375 Ruger or not is about 200 USD, the cost of a reamer!

Send them a 20K deposit and I'll guarantee you'll have a rifle in the making.

JW

Of all the threads over all the years that have been about getting a rifle made I think it is reasonable to say that this one can go in the "definite basket" for not going through to conclusion.

I am still betting Wby won't do one.

Mike

I think superspeed and 500Grains are the same poster. They are the only 2 stupid enough to try and drag this thing out. YOU HAVE BEEN PROVED WRONG ON EVERY COUNT,JEEZ. How bilnd are you 2. 500Grains that stupid picture you have up on your posting avatir shold be changed to Goofy from Disney. I know you are trying to imply you are as smart as Sigmund F, but he was a coke addict, is that your problem too.

beachbum

You have just stretched the thread one post longer

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
... it is a typical salesman's trick to get the customer emotionally invested in the product, and convince him to switch the order over to what the exact product that company offers after all other details have been specified....

But I doubt that is happening here as Purdey could tell the inquiry was not of substance and therefore the reply was a courtesy only.

An supposedly esteemed image company like Purdey playing such common trashy sales tricks?
truelly I find it Odd that such a suggestion would come from you.
But if they have indeed resorted to playing cheap tricks, why would they not also break tradition and chamber 375ruger?.

What mystical powers do you have that enables you to "know" what Purdey is thinking, to say; "Purdey could tell the inquiry was not of substance and therefore the reply was a courtesy only"...??

A reply is courteous thing to do regardless of whether customer is considering $50 Leupold rings, Mcmillan stock,or a Purdey.
But I have noticed on several occasions that a number of US companies dont reply. However I have always received a courteous,prompt responce from the premier Euro and British gun companies I have contacted.

They (Purdey), be appointed to the Royal family to provide their fine weapons and thats great for their Co.image, just like the King has a Queen for public appearance purposes and to provide an heir, but we all know its the blow-in wench chamber maid that he most enjoys in his bed at night.

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But if there are resorting to playing cheap tricks, then theres good chance their chambering 375ruger also.

Woodjack,

Come on now, you don't really think the 375 Ruger is that shitty

Mike

There is a difference in getting an inquiry from Purdey to build a rifle and then to reject it because Hartmann & Weiss or H&H are giving a better deal....If CM goes to a gunbubba to have a $4k rifle build only ... I would say he has waisted somebodies time because he knew from the beginnig that he wasn´t prepared to spend
$35-40K on a boltgun anyway...he was just fooling. But CM must have had his financial reasons for not taking the stand to buy one