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So, opinions please! The 420 grain CEB, or the 450 grain Barnes for my "soft" in the Lott? Is one better than the other, or just flip a coin. I have both on hand, and the Barnes cost a lott (pun) less. | ||
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My experience is that the Barnes hits harder.....but that's a pretty small sample. I've killed 3 buff with the 450 Barnes out of a Lott and only one with the CEB out of the same Lott....the bulls went down much faster with the Barnes. | |||
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What was the shot placement on the buff? I have been a big proponent of heart/lung shots with CEB 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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The CEB is my choice for the Lott. Guns and hunting | |||
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I guess we need to clarify which CEB bullets we are talking about. Bullets are tools. Use the right tool for the job. The right tool might be different for y'all based on the criteria. If you have not read the Terminal Bullet Performance thread, now might be a good time to settle in for a spell and get inspired. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I have shot all kinds of bullets out of all my Lotts.Although I have not done so enough to come to a definite conclusion,I have observed things. The 500gr TSX were the most accurate bullets I shot out of of my Ruger Lotts.The least accurate were brass monolithic solids.I might add that the TSX bullets were not accurate for long.It could be that when bore tolerances let up a bit, accuracy disappeared.Accuracy is the most important factor to me.Second is bullet toughness.There are other tough bullets out there that are accurate and stay accurate in my barrels.The best bullet I've found for my Lotts is the A-Frame.All my barrels will shoot it accurate enough and it is as tough as any.I also believe it is the easiest on my bores in that it has a pure copper(no gilding metal) jacket and has a lead core. I suggest you try both bullets you mentioned, shoot them for a while and then you will get a good picture as to which you will want to use. | |||
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Id opt for the Barnes based on if it ain't broke then don't go fix'en it..The Barnes has impressed me in the 458 Win. it turned it into a real rifle!  but I like a 500 gr. bullet in the .458 Win and up..Velocity means nada at Buffalo and elephant ranges, and its destructive to all bullets at those ranges.Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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One thing I,m pretty sure of is that the bullet that works perfect on a double lung shot is not likely the best choice on a full body penetration. IMO the North fork cup point comes the closes to that scenario..Ive recovered a number of them with a write up for Mike Brady the designer of the cup point. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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If those are the two choices then the Barnes. The CEBs have a basic flaw in that if they hit brush they are coming apart. I killed a lot of buffalo with them and have concluded that they can shove them. Or just load up some A-Frames.If there's something better for buffalo I don't know what it is. | |||
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The Barnes 450 grain TSX would be my choice without a doubt. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Not trying to start a pissing match but share knowledge and information, but... Are Barnes impervious to brush? How do they differ when hitting brush? Define "Come apart". Did you use tips in the CEB? What are you observations on flight path after hitting brush with both? What kind of shots did you take with the CEB's? Have you ever done a heart/lung shot on a buff with CEB's? What are your positive observations of CEB's? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Nothing is impervious to bush. You've got a prayer if the bullet is in one piece. They differ in that the CEBs break into 6 little pieces and one big piece on the brush and pepper the hide with little petals that do nothing. They're lucky to cut enough to bleed. Come apart means come apart before they get to the animal. See above. I didn't use the tips because they wouldn't fit in my magazine. Follow-up shots on wounded animals frequently involved shots through brush. A disturbing pattern quickly emerged where the CEBs seldom made it through and the others usually made it through. Due to the number of animals I was taking (111 in 7 days)I took just about every shot angle you can imagine. Heart/lung with a shoulder involved was the preferred first shot so yeah, I took lots of those. For positive: On clear first shots at shoulder/heart/lung they worked well. Just like a bunch of other bullets that work well. They also had plenty of penetration. Just like a bunch of other bullets that penetrate well. The hide on the other side is a great equalizer, almost all good softs stop there, almost all of the time. Negatives: They come apart on bush. They slow down faster than a thrown bag of leaves; so performance at ranges longer than powder-burn drop off radically. Conclusion; too much downside for no upside. They can shove them. | |||
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I would gather that the tips might have helped some of those shots through the brush, but that is conjecture. If you were to use the raptor where the COL would match your magazine length that may have changed your opinion perhaps. We hold our opinions with such high regard that we owe it to ourselves to examine our methods at times. Thank you for your candor. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I'd say use the one that shoots the most accurate in your rifle. But, I'm a little gun shy of the CEB Raptor bullets. They're very, very accurate from my gun but I had two of the 235 grain Raptor ER bullets (with the tips) fail on a bushbuck and a jackal in 2016. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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OK, this is asking for more details. How can a .375" big-game hunting bullet "fail" on a bushbuck or a little dog? (I wouldn't call deflection on a branch to be bullet failure, as I've seen all bullets do that.) +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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The American hunter is brain washed into light fast bullets that work on all our NA soft skin game, but tend to fail on thick skinned African DG like Buffalo, Hippo, Rhino and elephant.. I would not consider any bullet under 500 grs. on these animals. The Lott is awesome on these animals with a flat nose solid, a cup point or a Woodleih soft or solid, especially the 550 gr. Woodleighs.. Ive been appraised or de-appraised as old fashion for my stance on this subject, but Ive seen the mountain and hunted the big ones for a good deal of my life, Ive sat at the campfires of the best and discussed guns into the wee hours of the morning and took their advise to heart. Why then should I place my faith on my de-appraisers who are victims of gun magazines and internet blogs of unknown value. oh my goodness!  I will now grab my horse tied out behind the house and try to make a timely escape before I get lynched for my sick and disgraceful approach humor and a valiant attempt to keep this disgusting thread going..  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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