Wow, I thought I was bad for using a 375 RUM for deer. Interesting though, I guess.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tp...19104082/m/960109673

.375 H&H on deer this year

I used a 50-110 this year. Have used a 416sw in the past. Does that make me bad?

Use what you want I reckon, as long as it isn't under gunned, or destroying all the meat.

I have mangles plenty of deer with the obsolete 45/70. This type of hunting requires careful shot placement if you are going to eat anything.

The best medicine is something on the order of a 6.5 or 270 caliber. You can, as the old-timers say "eat your way right up to the hole."

I think he was a little undergunned.

Dave

My dad gut shot a deer with a 375 H&H. It blew his intestines through his side and he puked a bucket of blood all around him before falling. Talk about overkill.

Any bullet fired from any caliber of decent size, suitable for deer or other big game has the potential if improperly placed, of causing a truly horrendous wound.

A 243 bullet that slices across the gut of a deer can spill the intenstines out on the ground and the deer will not have a good day. A close range hit from a 30/06 can blow intenstines out the other side and the deer can puke a gallon of blood and caliber has very little to do with it.

I could go on, because I have seen alot of poorly placed bullets in 20 plus years of hunting big game and have helped recover or put down animals that were suffering due to poor shot placement or what could be attributed to plain bad luck on the part of the shooter or bullet failure and the vast majority of those rounds were the standards .243, 270, 308, 3006, 303 etc with magnums making the scene relatively later and as experience has borne out the bigger gun does not make up for the lack of skill of the shooter.

A 50 cal HPBT at 750 meters shouldn't do any more meat damage than a sabot 50 cal 12 ga slug like the Remington copper one or Federal's at 30-50 yds. APIT is another story. You don't see the flash 'cause it's internal but you sure see some result.

Meat damage is almost primarily a function of velocity.

A .270 shooting a 130 gr bullet at 100yards will do FAR more meat damage than a .375H&H or a .45-70 ETC.

This elk was shot at around 80 yards this year . The rifle is a .375H&H firing a 270 gr Barnes TSX @ about 2650FPS.

The .375H&H is a very meat friendly round as is a .45-70 or a .30-06. Meat damage really starts to get bad at something over 3000 FPS.

There is a mispercetion about big rounds "blowing" stuff up. It is actually the smaller hyper velocity rounds which "blow" stuff up.

There are many other factors as well such as bullet construction shot placement ETC..

Notice how clean and how small the blood shot area is. This typical performance with this bullet caliber velocity set up

Entrance wound.



Exit wound.

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i've got rabits and quail in my backyard...maybe a howitzer isnt a bad idea after all....as a wise person once said " a 2" pecker will work but who wants one"

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Originally posted by ALF:
Surestrike:

Bloodshot meat is not velocity related but rather a function of projectile behaviour in the form of deformation, fragmentation and instability. Usually these are brought about by or accociated with velocity. But velcoity per se is not the culprit.

Why can we say that:

If we use non frangible, stable, non deforming projectiles and fire them at varying velocity; low vs ultra high and even beyond that ie supersonic in tissue the wound profiles are essentially the same showing that velocity is not the key. ( this test has been done in the lab so the the whole Weatherby add campaign of the 50's amnd 60's were actually wrong)

This is true. check out Gerard's website for GS custom bullets. He has carcasses of I think antelope getting shot at a muzzle velocity of over 3000fps, and there really was no bloodshot meat.
http://www.gscustom.az