and all the gun nutts rejoiced.

guns & ammo published the .532 casehead. also more case volume than original 375 h+h. also stated the shorter fater more efficient case design helped outperform the original h+h. the interesting thing i thought was the sub cal neck length...those cal or sub cal length necks are becoming vogue

dave scovil previously published a 522 casehead, .314 neck length .510 shoulder dia 2.568 long 2.178 base to shoulder and a 60,000 psi case.

soooooo just revise those figures with a .532 casehead and we now know what it will look like

I think I'll wait till I can measure one. Seems like nobody has the same numbers and they all had one to measure from. John Barsness of Rifle claims Scovil had a Ruger case to measure from and those numbers are accurate. Personally, I can't believe they would make it .522, so I'm holding out for reality.

How long before this cartridge withers and dies like the 375 RUM?

grains...

you may not like the 375 but...

the 416 taylor had lots of staying power even though a wildcat...

this will be the new 416 taylor...

it will be debated here on a.r. for many years

i think it will retire the 416 rem mag...

so i think it has staying power

Honestly Dan, I'm kind of hoping this one will make it. If Ruger gets off their ass and markets it well, they may have a fighting chance. Its got some good things going for it. It all depends on how sucessful Ruger is at convincing the shooting world that we all need one.

Time will tell one way or the other I suppose.

I think that the market has been so inundated by new cartridges the past few years that it is hard for anything new to get traction. And unless there are a LOT of rifles sold in that caliber, production of factory ammo will stop (except for the custom ammo shops like Superior), and that will be the end of it.

It would have been nice if Ruger would have taken the necessary steps to chamber the standard 77 for the 375 H&H. I think Scovill han a 338 win mag converted to 375 H&H with off the shelf parts (except the barrel)and a minimum of fuss.

I'm going to have to agree with 500 on this one! There will not be a lot of old time users of the old 375H&H convert to the wet behind the ears 375 Ruger to have any impact on the market!

When you are trying to unseat a cartridge like the old 1912, 3, six bits that has the following it has from both young, and old, you better have something! IMO, like 500 says, the hotshots seem to wither on the vine, and turn to shriveled up memories, in a couple of years, if they get out of the gate at all! None of the hot 375s have made much inroad on the old war horse, and I don't see the new one getting the job done either! SORRY, boys! Same song , different verse!

I'd like to be a bit more optimistic.....

It's a fact that even the 375 H&H is a small seller as popular as it is....30-06 sales may be 1000-1 over it!!

So we're looking at a small market for starters and the lions share is currently owned by the old H&H round.

If the 375 Ruger is successful it will be because a lot of 7mm mags got rebarreled and not because of Ruger's marketing and sales.

The Ruger round has to steal a lot of territory from the 338 magnum as well.....another easier said than done task.

That said, I'm optimistic for this newcomer.....and only time will tell!

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Originally posted by MacD37:
I'm going to have to agree with 500 on this one! There will not be a lot of old time users of the old 375H&H convert to the wet behind the ears 375 Ruger to have any impact on the market!

When you are trying to unseat a cartridge like the old 1912, 3, six bits that has the following it has from both young, and old, you better have something! IMO, like 500 says, the hotshots seem to wither on the vine, and turn to shriveled up memories, in a couple of years, if they get out of the gate at all! None of the hot 375s have made much inroad on the old war horse, and I don't see the new one getting the job done either! SORRY, boys! Same song , different verse!

Yep, It's not like the 300WSM where there are alot of people who will buy it for deer and elk hunting. .375 is a caliber for a small group of serious shooters it's not a plain jane caliber that everyone has or wants. I worry that the cartridge will go the way of the 8mm Mag but hopefully it will spawn a few worthy cartridges in other calibers. (i.e. 404 Ruger, hint, hint)

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Originally posted by 500grains:
How long before this cartridge withers and dies like the 375 RUM?

like all those new fangled rounds..
like the 458 lott

and the 500 A2...

yep;..

jeffe

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by 500grains:
How long before this cartridge withers and dies like the 375 RUM?

like all those new fangled rounds..
like the 458 lott

and the 500 A2...

yep;..

jeffe

no wait.. dan's almost being honest here... from this statement, he has no intention of owning a 375 ruger....EITHER as he doesn't own the lott or the 500 a2, though he does sing their praises.

I seen something interesting at local Gander Mtn. Like 'beltless' .350RemiMag only bigger (longer). The boxes were marked .376 Steyr. Cute cartridge.
I will probably pass on the Ruger and stick with my Heym by using .375H&H HE loads from Hornady if I want extra speed. I hope they don't nix that load.

I agree with 500 Grains on this one, but I admit a very strong bias in favor of the classic over the passing fad. The same guys that prefer a plastic-stocked 7mm-08 over a walnut-stocked 7X57 will be all over this cartridge.

Originally posted by 500grains

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I think that the market has been so inundated by new cartridges the past few years that it is hard for anything new to get traction. And unless there are a LOT of rifles sold in that caliber, production of factory ammo will stop (except for the custom ammo shops like Superior), and that will be the end of it.

Originally posted by 500grains

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your post can be summed up as "Guys used slow twists in the past, so it must be the right thing to do."

So I guess you could sum this one up as "Guys used the 375 H&H in the past, so it must be the right thing to do."

Calibres with very small markets only continue to exists if they are priced well above the average, thus a small number of sales for rifles and components will do the job.

The market for 338/06 and 35 Whelen will be far bigger than the 375 H&H but those two calibres will only bear 30/06 type pricing. How many majors make ammo and rifles in 338/06?

The market for the various 378 based Wbys is obviously very small and doubly so for the 378 and 460. But they continue along their merry way because the pricing means Wby does not need to sell many rifles, ammo or brass in these calibres.

In addition, we are all dreamers and a CZ 375 can become one of those flash custom rifles. On the other hand, I would imagine the market for top end custom guns in 375 Ruger will be somewhere around zero.

Those who say the 375 Taylor and 416 Taylor have been a success, I think, are forgetting that such success is limited to forum users etc. To my knowledge no major makes either ammo or rifles for either calibre.

Jeffe mentions the 500 A2 in what think was an endorsement of its success. Again, it is a forum wonder only. If there was any real market for the 500 A2 we would have seen a 500 Wby.....a very easy job for Wby since the 460 already has sufficient barrel contour.

Mike

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
...I would imagine the market for top end custom guns in 375 Ruger will be somewhere around zero.

Jeffe mentions the 500 A2 in what think was an endorsement of its success. Again, it is a forum wonder only.
Mike

Mike,
I disagree on the 375 ruger an custom shops. Then again, there where quite a MANY custom 300 rums' made the first couple years. The 375 ruger will allow a guy to make a GREAT 4-7.5k rifle, and get either more rifle for the money, or a "thousand dollars" better piece of wood than if he built a 375HH ... yeah, really.

As for me mentioning the 500 a2... has nothing to due with popularity. has EVERYTHING to do with dan's endorsements of the the round... and your counterpoint actually affirms this.. the 500a2, with whatever twist it might have, is a clase in the pan and there are very few rifles chambered for it.. and (since we must exclude A2 rifles) only a couple nice looking ones.

jeffe

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I disagree on the 375 ruger an custom shops. Then again, there where quite a MANY custom 300 rums' made the first couple years. The 375 ruger will allow a guy to make a GREAT 4-7.5k rifle, and get either more rifle for the money, or a "thousand dollars" better piece of wood than if he built a 375HH ... yeah, really

You are probably right, depending on what is meant by a top end custom gun. But I would bet on the top end stuff....Echols/Miller with wood, Ryan Breeding, Purdey etc or where someone is using a GMA or H&W action then the 375 Ruger will be like rocking horse shit

While the top end stuff makes up .0000000000000001% of the market it does influence people's choice lower down the scale.

Assuming .532 head and also assuming same length and taper as 338 Win then that makes for about an 8% increase in case capacity over the 338. That puts it at around 375 H&H and of course less than the 375 Wby/AckImp. For those who want bang for the buck then the CZ 375s take a lot of beating and of course can be rechambered to 375 Imp and still use the standard 375 brass.

But time will tell.

Mike

I could be wrong, but I'll bet the .375 Ruger sells well. I also don't see any comparison with it and the RUM. One actually makes a nice round for a standard action, the other was built in a rifle not suitable for a DGR, and offered no advantage over the H&H except velocity.

From the left handed poor boy in the crowd I am looking forward to the 375 Ruger. I already have a 375 barrel in the shop and am looking for a LH 7, 300, or 338 mag to rebarrel. Magnum LH actions are out of my financial reach and have been looking hard at the 376 steyr, and then the 375 ruger arrives and blows it away from what I hear, so am waiting for its arrival like a kid waiting for christmas.

Eterry

Althought the idea of a powerful, standard length magnum appears sound to all of us rifle loonies, so did the very similiar and excellent 9.3x64 Brenneke and 358 Norma and where are they now? There are a few vocal fans beating their drums but serious hunters who need such armament simply buy .375 H&H's and go hunting, secure in the knowledge that if they run out of ammo they can pick up another box at the local market anywhere from Arctic Village to Zambia.

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Althought the idea of a powerful, standard length magnum appears sound to all of us rifle loonies, so did the very similiar and excellent 9.3x64 Brenneke and 358 Norma and where are they now? There are a few vocal fans beating their drums but serious hunters who need such armament simply buy .375 H&H's and go hunting, secure in the knowledge that if they run out of ammo they can pick up another box at the local market anywhere from Arctic Village to Zambia.

Phil Shoemaker

Unfortunately that won't win you this year's science award

My bet is is that the strong 375 Ruger supporters will restrict their support to the forums.....as opposed to dollars paid out.

Actually, I heard on the grape vine that Wby may discontinue the 378 because of the 375 Ruger.

Mike

I really want one, preferrably the Alaska model, to play around with different load levels from a .375 Winchester copy with N110 or Blue Dot up to the big full-power hog humper for those driven hunts.

Ruger manufactures nice and affordable rifles.

Hope they make it over here in that caliber soon!

I want a 416 Ruger and decient priced brass.I have 6 416 rem mags and a bunch of brass.My only complaint about the 416 rem mag is the ultra thin brass that in bulk you can loose up to 10% of your useable brass.I would love a shorter throw 416 ruger in stainless.I like the 375 but I dont want to have to buy the different bullets and such.I finally got a 416 rem mag stainless made.I do have a hard time with magazine springs going bad in my Remingtons.I had a gun smith put in Weathrerby springs and that fixed that problem.I have never hsad my winchest model 70 fail to feel nor a Ruger model 77.I will buy two Ruger 416 stainless rifles if they ever make them.I think it needs a 22" barrel and their laminated stock.I have two Remington 416 BIG GAME rifles that I love they are only 9 pounds scoped and loaded with 22" barrels .They carry and shoot very good rough guns.The Rugers will only be alot tougher and better.

f.w.i.w.f.y.i.

https://www.hornady.com/shop/?ps_session=48ac6d5af49a25...3e23134fe071652b2a18

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Althought the idea of a powerful, standard length magnum appears sound to all of us rifle loonies, so did the very similiar and excellent 9.3x64 Brenneke and 358 Norma and where are they now? There are a few vocal fans beating their drums but serious hunters who need such armament simply buy .375 H&H's and go hunting, secure in the knowledge that if they run out of ammo they can pick up another box at the local market anywhere from Arctic Village to Zambia.

Sound advice on the 375H&H. The Honeywell spin-off ATK is the largest producer of ammunition in America. They produce 22 different loadings for the 30-06, 7 different loadings for the 375H&H, and 4 different loadings for the 458W. There is not much you can't do with those three.

On the other hand, I wouldn't write off a cartridge based on what ATK didn't produce. Our largest ammunitions manufacturer makes zero 35Whelen/350RM, no 376Steyr, no 9.3x62, no 9.5x62, no 9.3x74R, nada 405W, no 450Marlin, no 450/400NE, and only 2 loadings for the 458Lott. Oh, I almost forgot. How about "the graceless but efficient" 505Gibbs that Hemingway purchased from Abercrombie & Fitch and eventually made famous after he put it in his short story. Yep, no 505GIbbs whatsoever.

Mr. Shoemaker, you may not be a fan of all the cartridges I listed, but I suspect you may think highly of quite a few of them. Your' words carry great weight and wisdom. All I ask is that writers such as yourself give the 375Ruger a fair shake and let's see where the chips fall. Ruger and Hornady have done an excellent job in bringing out old, different and new cartridges to help slake our lust for such unique and oddball firearms. When Hornady/Ruger offers such a gift horse, why are we so quick to look in the horses mouth??

regards,
GVA

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:


My bet is is that the strong 375 Ruger supporters will restrict their support to the forums.....as opposed to dollars paid out.

YEEEEEE HAAAAAAW!

Never a truer statement.

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Originally posted by 500grains:

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:


My bet is is that the strong 375 Ruger supporters will restrict their support to the forums.....as opposed to dollars paid out.

tell me again about your 585 nyati dan?

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Originally posted by 500grains:
One defense mechanism of the human psyche is to ridicule that which we do not understand, and I see evidence of it in this thread.

YEEEEEE HAAAAAAW!

Never a truer statement.

here's a funny thought.. if i quote him, is it still false?

My support ? I put in my order with Ruger two months ago and even talked to gunsmith Lon Paul about building a top shelf rifle on the caliber (he calmed me down some and we decided to take a wait-see approach)- how is that for support.
I wasn't kidding when I said "all of us gun loonies". Still, the reality of it is that it is hard to beat a round with the performance and head start that the H&H round has.
The Ruger is based on the old 35 Newton case and that is another great round that due to fate, poor timing and bullets failed to make it.

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35 Newton case and that is another great round that due to fate, poor timing and bullets failed to make it.

no its making a comeback...brass is being produced by jamison...

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Althought the idea of a powerful, standard length magnum appears sound to all of us rifle loonies, so did the very similiar and excellent 9.3x64 Brenneke and where are they now?.

In my gun cabinet.
As for buying a 375 Ruger, why not! My 9.3x64 dies were $240 Cdn to my door alone not to mention buying the Brno rifle, paying the 'smith for the barrel, getting the stock inletted etc. So shelling out a few hundred for a stock rifle in a hard hitting caliber is no big deal. This way I can try out the Hornady dies, I figure they'll be first.