A few have already been sold to individuals through a dealer. Here's what one buyer found:

http://www.realguns.com/archives/134.htm

But look on the bright side....with no ammo or reloading components available, you will NEVER wear this gun out!!

Alberta Canuck, Thanks for that report. Most sense I've read on the 375 ruger. Probably another loading that adds no value. Nice rifle package however.

I thought the review was very thorough and fair. He didnt pull any punches but did tell what he liked.

Marketing for new product introductions, does not go well with many product, be they guns, cars, video games, whatever. Usually not timed right vs. advertising.

That said, I have a 375 H&H. Do i need anther big gun? Probably not. BUT like many, many, many gun owners, where does NEED come into play. The guy admitted up front that he chamber and rebarrels for all sorts of ridiculous rounds, so why not a 375 Ruger?

If you dont already own a 375 H&H and ammo and brass become available, its just another option to throw in the mix. Much like "boy I need a new medium bore gun". So you look at .308, .270, 30-06, alll the WSM's, etc, etc, etc.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride and have fun shooting.

I think it is pretty dumb for Ruger to release these rifles before the ammo is ready. This may be an over-reaction to all the negative press of the Gold Label, which took so long to get to market.

However, I do think the cartridge itself will be tremendous. Maybe not as a replacement to the 375 H&H, but as a source for a whole new class of cartridges which I think makes a lot of sense. I for one have never believed the ballistics would be better than the old H&H. It couldn't be, given the case volume. That is just as silly as the Holland claim of lower pressure for the 400 H&H than the 416 Remington. The appeal here, I think, is the availability of a case with the capacity of the full length H&H, the length and head diameter of a short magnum, with no belt and no rebated rim. Wildcatters and experimenters should be holding their breath for the cartridge to be marketed, whether the rifle is built or not.

Alberta: Thanks for the post. I can appreciate the new round feeding through standard length actions, but as to a meaningful increase in performance, I doubt it. This would have to be the result of Hornady's powder-blending technology and not safely duplicated by handloaders.

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
A few have already been sold to individuals through a dealer. Here's what one buyer found:

http://www.realguns.com/archives/134.htm

The first run of Ruger M77 Hawkeye African rifles have been delivered to dealers across the USA, in the latter part of December 2006. They were snapped up by willing buyers, who are now twiddling their thumbs waiting for Hornady to make the ammo available.

It is nice that Real Guns Joe is allowing us to link to his site to digest his excellent evaluation of the rifle in hand, and his guesstimations on the imaginary ammunition.

Thanks for re-posting that link.

Don't have a 375 Ruger but a mod 70 in 458WM will save the day and steal the show!

I think I'll go upstairs and hug my .376 Steyr Prohunter.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Don't have a 375 Ruger but a mod 70 in 458WM will save the day and steal the show!

Well . . . you can't be all bad. I hope it's a PF.

Don't want to hijack thread, but JAL how is accuracy with the 458WM out to 200 and 300m?

Maybe the dude could have waited a bit until he had ammo , so he coudl do a proper review?

At the Hornady booth at DSC the man behind the counter pulled out a .375 Ruger headstamped cartridge from his pocket to anyone who asked about them. Since I'm not interested I didn't ask about availability in retail stores.

ANOTHER ABSOLUTELY -USELESS- CARTRIDGE WHICH BRINGS -NOTHING - IN IMPROVEMENT.

IF YOU WANT MORE VELOCITY FILL YOUR 375 h&h CASE TO THE BRIM WITH THE POWDER USED IN THOSE NEW MINATURE CARTRIDGES -WSSM OR WHATEVER.

YOU CAN PROBABLY GET 6,000 FPS WITH THE NEW POWDER TECHNOLOGY . AND YOU DON'T NEED TO WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A NEW RIFLE.

THERE IS NO NEED OR USE FOR EITHER THE RIFLE OR CARTRIDGE - JUST SOMETHING " NEW " TO SELL TO THOSE WHO DON'T OWN A DECENT RIFLE IN A DECENT CALIBER. IF THEY DID, THEY WOULDN'T WASTE A SECOND ON A RIFLE THAT REPEATS WINCHESTERS MISTAKE OF -NOT - USING A MAGNUM ACTION FOR THEIR 458 WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE.

PROBABLY SOME OF THE OUT OF WORK WINCHESTER PEOPLE TOOK THEIR "BRILLIANT IDEA " TO THE RUGER COMPANY WHO WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO PURSUE IT !

OLD BILL RUGER IS PROBABLY ROLLING OVER IN HIS GRAVE TO SEE SUCH NONSENSE !

tomo...

i hope your blood preasure is o.k.

the 375 ruger is a recipe for success

people will be able to buy a $200 chambered barrel and turn a worn out 7mag into an awesome world hunting gun.

that is a recipe for success

who wins?

the happy owner
custom gun makers
gunsmiths
hornady
ruger
the economy of the gun world
p.h.'s
guides
hotels on and on

quote:

Originally posted by tomo577:
ANOTHER ABSOLUTELY -USELESS- CARTRIDGE WHICH BRINGS -NOTHING - IN IMPROVEMENT.

IF YOU WANT MORE VELOCITY FILL YOUR 375 h&h CASE TO THE BRIM WITH THE POWDER USED IN THOSE NEW MINATURE CARTRIDGES -WSSM OR WHATEVER.

YOU CAN PROBABLY GET 6,000 FPS WITH THE NEW POWDER TECHNOLOGY . AND YOU DON'T NEED TO WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A NEW RIFLE.

THERE IS NO NEED OR USE FOR EITHER THE RIFLE OR CARTRIDGE - JUST SOMETHING " NEW " TO SELL TO THOSE WHO DON'T OWN A DECENT RIFLE IN A DECENT CALIBER. IF THEY DID, THEY WOULDN'T WASTE A SECOND ON A RIFLE THAT REPEATS WINCHESTERS MISTAKE OF -NOT - USING A MAGNUM ACTION FOR THEIR 458 WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE.

PROBABLY SOME OF THE OUT OF WORK WINCHESTER PEOPLE TOOK THEIR "BRILLIANT IDEA " TO THE RUGER COMPANY WHO WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO PURSUE IT !

OLD BILL RUGER IS PROBABLY ROLLING OVER IN HIS GRAVE TO SEE SUCH NONSENSE !

Maybe you should not buy one...

quote:

Originally posted by tomo577:
ANOTHER ABSOLUTELY -USELESS- CARTRIDGE WHICH BRINGS -NOTHING - IN IMPROVEMENT.

Tom,
first, turn off the caps.. it's shouting and rude.

second, it DOES things.. take a mauser 98 and out a 375 on it... you cut the heck out of the action, and pay through the NOSE for a custom bottom metal.

in fact, the ONLY CRF actions suitable, off the shelf and mass marketed, for a 375HH are the winchester and the CZ,,, (i don't count the ruger RSM, as it's $$$$)

EVERY 7remmag action can thake this round.

EVERY arguement for the 404 jeffery vs the 416 rigby (shorter bolt throw, lighter action, trimmer stock) apply here.

if you don't like it, vote with your wallet.

myself, it has a place in my gunsafe and shooting collection.

in short, thanks for the opinion, but stop trying to shout it down our throats.

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Originally posted by Gatehouse:

quote:

Originally posted by tomo577:
ANOTHER ABSOLUTELY -USELESS- CARTRIDGE WHICH BRINGS -NOTHING - IN IMPROVEMENT.

IF YOU WANT MORE VELOCITY FILL YOUR 375 h&h CASE TO THE BRIM WITH THE POWDER USED IN THOSE NEW MINATURE CARTRIDGES -WSSM OR WHATEVER.

YOU CAN PROBABLY GET 6,000 FPS WITH THE NEW POWDER TECHNOLOGY . AND YOU DON'T NEED TO WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A NEW RIFLE.

THERE IS NO NEED OR USE FOR EITHER THE RIFLE OR CARTRIDGE - JUST SOMETHING " NEW " TO SELL TO THOSE WHO DON'T OWN A DECENT RIFLE IN A DECENT CALIBER. IF THEY DID, THEY WOULDN'T WASTE A SECOND ON A RIFLE THAT REPEATS WINCHESTERS MISTAKE OF -NOT - USING A MAGNUM ACTION FOR THEIR 458 WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE.

PROBABLY SOME OF THE OUT OF WORK WINCHESTER PEOPLE TOOK THEIR "BRILLIANT IDEA " TO THE RUGER COMPANY WHO WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO PURSUE IT !

OLD BILL RUGER IS PROBABLY ROLLING OVER IN HIS GRAVE TO SEE SUCH NONSENSE !

Maybe you should not buy one...

Maybe I should not buy one either

yer half right Jeffe. It does have a place in your collection. Right alongside an original Henry rifle in 44 rimfire...ooops, forgot, you CAN buy ammo for the Henry...it's just expensive. Got to side with the other group on this one. This is funnier than the guy who came into a Kawasaki dealership I was working at while going to school bacy in the mid-seventies, and wanted us to "...put a cam..." in his 750 triple (two stroke). What did he think I would do...stick it in the airbox or under the seat? This rugger is the safest firearm ever produced in the US...at least until you can buy ammunition and actually SHOOT!!! the darn thing. Another week and Jay Leno will be using this on his monologue...

Rich
-just alittle more

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
yer half right Jeffe. It does have a place in your collection. Right alongside an original Henry rifle in 44 rimfire...ooops, forgot, you CAN buy ammo for the Henry...it's just expensive. Got to side with the other group on this one. This is funnier than the guy who came into a Kawasaki dealership I was working at while going to school bacy in the mid-seventies, and wanted us to "...put a cam..." in his 750 triple (two stroke). What did he think I would do...stick it in the airbox or under the seat? This rugger is the safest firearm ever produced in the US...at least until you can buy ammunition and actually SHOOT!!! the darn thing. Another week and Jay Leno will be using this on his monologue...

Rich
-just alittle more

PS: that short stroke 404J case that's 2.86" long, I can see a tremendous advantage over that long stroke 416 Rigby case and it's 2.90"oal. Yer slippin man!

You guys with vaults full of CF Winchesters in .375H&H better start bashing Ruger now, or it might cut into your profit marigin! That Ruger looks like handy, svelte rifle and ammo will be available. If Hornady does not make it Federal will.

Tomo has the right idea. In sporting arms just keep .275 or .300H&H and .375H&H. all others should be nixed! Rodents aren't worth a bullet, so there is no need for varmint caliber. The 577, now there is a useful one. West of Erie Pa must be good elephant country.

How is .375 ruger different from .376 steyr? They both claim .375 H&H performance from a shorter action. Is there something special about the ruger round that will keep it from flopping?

Big difference, the Ruger 'African' actually looks like a classic sporting rifle. They're not fugly 'Scout' rifles nor civilian version of SSG69.

Got some bad news for you paolo...the cartridge case is copyrighted/patented. NOOOOOObody will be making this brass without the OK from Hornady. That ain't gonna happen before they sell out their annual run and recoup their investment.

Rich
DRSS
I got brass and dies for all of my firearms

I had long talks at SHOT with both Ruger and Hornady. The African rifle does look like a winner and the Alaskan one could be except for the fat Hogue stock with flat forearm and tight pistol grip. they may be just the thing for varmit rifles but not for dangerous game rifles.
Hornady says they plan on starting to build ammo in two weeks. John Barsness also purchased one of the early rifles and should be receiving ammo as soon as it comes out and will be testing it.
Hornady and Ruger are only claiming 70fps gain over the 375 H&H with the 20" bbl. this is of no significance at all. If the round makes it my prediction is that it will be due as much to the Ruger rifle as the cartridge.

quote:

EVERY 7remmag action can take this round.

Jeffeosso,

Does that mean I can chamber my 7mm remmag BAR to this round or do you think adjusting the mechanism to make it function reliably would be a nightmare?

If feasible, it might make a helluva bear gun.

I doubt that Ruger had to invest much to produce the .375 rifles if they were already headed down the path to the Hawkeye.

Differences from the standard Hawkeye
1. Barrel channel
2. Roll marking on the barrel
3. New reamers required for the chamber
4. New label for the boxes
5. Unique rear sight

Why do I mention this?

I suspect mass producing a new cartridge case and the production tooling for loading it is a lot more time consuming and expensive than setting up to produce the new rifles.

My question is
How did they proof the new rifles if there are no cartridges or brass available?
Something is strange there?

quote:

Originally posted by 458Win:

Hornady and Ruger are only claiming 70fps gain over the 375 H&H with the 20" bbl. this is of no significance at all.

That would still be hype. They should probably claim about 70 fps advantage with the same barrel length as the .375 H&H:

300 grainers in 24" barrel:
.375 H&H = 2530 fps
.375 Ruger = 2600 fps

Those would be closer to the real numbers for the handloader with the "average" rifle. Forget the "Heavy Magnum" voodoo loads which would still be equivalent to the same discrepancy level between the two cartridges.

There is brass and there is pressure and velocity data at Hornady, I'll bet. I'll also bet the factory loads will soon be accumulated into sufficient quantities to ship, if they ever finish stuffing with the bullets.

PAOLO 9,5 X 73

YOU ARE RIGHT A 275 MAUSER IS A PERFECT VARMINT CARTRIDGE. "GET AS CLOSE AS YE CAN LADDIE , THEN GET 10 YARDS CLOSER " SAYS IT ALL

ISN'T IT A BIT UNSPORTING TO VARMINT SHOOT AT 300 YDS WHEN YOU COULD HAVE THE FUN OF SNEAKING UP ON THEM THUS IMPROVING YOUR WOODSMAN SKILLS ?

OR ADD A NICE 22 -250 TO THE LIST AND BE DONE WITH IT.

MY 577 DOES AN ADMIRABLE JOB ON BOTH BUFFALO
( AS IN AFRICA ) AND BISON AS IN THE OLDE WEST.


THERE JUST ISN'T ANYTHING IT WON'T STOP. THE NEW 375 RUGER CAN'T SAY THAT, CAN IT ?

SO WHAT GOOD IS IT, REALLY ?

A QUESTION - LYLE DEAKINS AND DAVE DAVISON INVENTED THE 9,5 X 74R YEARS AND YEARS AGO. WHAT IS WITH YOUR 73 CASE ?? WHAT IS IT BASED ON ?

Personally I find it nice to have 375 H&H power in a 30-06 length cartridge. It also seems to me that if a cartridge like the Ruger could spawn other rounds that make alot more sense than the 7RemMag, 338WinMag, or 300WinMag. Sorry if I step on toes with that comment, but it is true. The 375 Ruger case is what the Wizzums should have been. So what is good is it really? (notice I am not shouting back)... well It has standard 30-06 length, no need to open the bolt face like some newer magnum cases, doesn't have a rebated rim like some other newer magnums, and it at least (even if you don't buy the hype, which I don't) will match the ballistics of the venerable 375 H&H. If you have an H&H and love it fine. I am not bashing the H&H, but I am kind of wondering why the Ruger is being bashed before it even has a chance to prove itself. What is about this cartridge that is bad. Please don't don't answer with the often heard "it is not needed". Really, someone who is bashing the Ruger please tell me what is technically "wrong" with this cartridge. Yes I do understand ammo is not available at the moment, but do really think it isn't coming? So, to reiterate.... What is technically wrong with the 375 Ruger?

I have one of the Ruger African Hawkeye .375 Rugers too, I got on Ruger's list when they announced the rifle, and it arrived here sooner than I expected. Hornady says some ammo is "in the mail".

I took a .376 Steyr ProHunter to Zim in '01, and the rifle/ammunition situation was the same then as now. The rifle maker had the rifles out there before Hornady had much ammo ready. As I recalll my ammo order arrived Thursday afternoon, and I flew to Africa on Tuesday morning.

My .375 Ruger Hawkeye African model arrived during the week two weeks ago, and I picked it up Saturday. Fortunately the Ruger Frontier I had requested came in earlier, and I was able to pick up the two rifles on the same California transaction, and did not have to do a second 10-day wait. I had asked Ruger to send the .375, and they promised to do so as soon as one was available. The Ruger Frontier I had requested previously.

Some differences to add. My rifle has a 22.75" barrel length and a 13.5" length of pull (most excellent for me). The model is HM77RS in Ruger catalog speak, and the finish is identified as Hawkeye Matte B. Model number is 07129.

The manual has no directions for trigger adjustment, only a blanket provision against any rifle modifications (most definitely to include bedding). The manual identifies the trigger as the new LC6 (TM), while the Frontier's trigger is identified as a fast lock-time steel trigger mechanism. The two are visibly different.

I weighed a few pulls with the Lyman electronic gauge and got a 6# average, with individual readings from the high 4s to the mid 6s. The pull was heavy, but crisp. The safety is the same as the Mark II.

The stock is cut for the iron sights, and the rifle comes up nicely for me.

The appearance is really nice for a recent factory rifle, and the understated Ruger eagle on the steel floorplate is OK. The wood is plain, but it shows enough grain in the butt stock to be attractive. So far only the grip cap is plastic. The manual says the wood is American black walnut.

I will practice mounting the rifle a la Jeff Cooper, and engaging any zeros or letter ohs that appear on the TV by dry practice and running the bolt. I will check the trigger again after that drill.

Overall, I am pleased with the rifle so far.

jim

quote:

Originally posted by tomo577:
MY 577 DOES AN ADMIRABLE JOB ON BOTH BUFFALO
( AS IN AFRICA ) AND BISON AS IN THE OLDE WEST.


THERE JUST ISN'T ANYTHING IT WON'T STOP. THE NEW 375 RUGER CAN'T SAY THAT, CAN IT ?

SO WHAT GOOD IS IT, REALLY ?

Tom
really, turn the caps lock key off. It's RUDE.

Your 577 is a PERFECT comparison for the 375 ruger... what does a 577 3" NE "do" that a 577 3 1/4 BPE didn't?

The question is, of course, when is inovation worthwhile?

The 577 NE, 750gr at 2050, or 7000 FPE is magical...

and been done for 100 years...

and my 550 express, which has a better SD, matches it in a $1000 bolt gun, not a 15k double.

better? from a cost perspective, YES...

just like the 375 ruger..

even if it "just" matches the 375 it makes sense.

like putting nitro powder in the 577 Case. it aint no "better" than the 577 BPE (of course it is, and so is the 375 ruger)

in other words, again, your opinion is respected, but don't try to force it down others throats...

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by tomo577:


A QUESTION - LYLE DEAKINS AND DAVE DAVISON INVENTED THE 9,5 X 74R YEARS AND YEARS AGO. WHAT IS WITH YOUR 73 CASE ?? WHAT IS IT BASED ON ?

9,5 X 73 is the 375 H&H

isnt the 9,5x73 the miller greiss magnum???

That's what I would think too. Both are 9.5x73mm. Just shows the imprecision of the metric nomenclature by the bullet diameter and brass length numbers alone. To be more precise, would not the .375 H&H with 2.850" case be better signified by "9.53x72.39mm H&H" ???

This works for me:
.375 H&H
and
9.5x73mm MG (the original .375/404J-Saeed from before the "Roaring Twenties," a me-too cartridge that did not catch on as well as the .375 H&H)