These are fights between domesticated buffalo bulls. These buffalo were the type taken to Australia 150 yrs ago, where they have become wild--and grown larger horns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=291P4wqQmFM

wow - thanks for that - there are some cool videos on there with the fighting. These are scenes I have witnessed many times in the field.

We had Petersens hunting TV show out here this year and they filmed a huge fight out on our floodplain. I am sure that will be included in the TV show when it goes to air next year.

Cheers
Matt

Ah! Quaint Vietnam and its peoples

Looks like the kinda thing Michael Vick would get off looking at.

I know that animals like these fight on their own but I'm disgusted when humans stage such events.

BTW I am half Vietnamese so please don't tell me I don't understand their culture.

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Originally posted by The Slug:
I know that animals like these fight on their own but I'm disgusted when humans stage such events.

BTW I am half Vietnamese so please don't tell me I don't understand their culture.

Might it be different if you didn't have TV, the Internet, and the mall?

These fights don't even involve death (unless the loser gets slaughtered for food) or even much blood (both as opposed to dog-fights).

A review of the entertainments of the ancient Romans, or the Zulus, or some current Moslems, or any of numerous others examples should make bull vs. bull seem very innocuous.

It has nothing to do with the things you mention. I kill animals and go fishing for food but I also show respect. There is no respect or honor in these games. I also detest bull fighting, cock fighting, etc. It's not because I'm some overly sensitive metrosexual. It's because I believe all life has value and should be respected. Simple.

P.S. I don't give a shit what the Romans or Zulus did. I live today.

Get the hell outa here - that stuff is as harmless as a horserace...

So you're half Vietnamese - so what? What does that have to do with the animals???

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Get the hell outa here - that stuff is as harmless as a horserace...

So you're half Vietnamese - so what? What does that have to do with the animals???

Being Vietnamese means that I understand their culture. It doesn't mean that I agree with it. No, this isn't as harmless as a horse race. I've seen these buffalo fights in person and many of them are gored and severely injured for the amusement of the onlookers. Not cool in my humble opinion. If you want to slaughter them, fine. Don't stage gladatorial combat with them to get your rocks off.

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I've seen these buffalo fights in person and many of them are gored and severely injured for the amusement of the onlookers. Not cool in my humble opinion. If you want to slaughter them, fine. Don't stage gladatorial combat with them to get your rocks off.

I don't think it was staged I think it was the real deal. "Life as a bull buffalo" ol # 07 was figuratively speaking getting his "rocks off".

So do ya think National Geographic ought to stop showing the North American big horn sheep squaring off and slamming their skulls together with the equivilent force of a 338 win mag?

God gave em the horns and the balls and the nature to push and shove and oh yeah on ocassion gore and injure in which case they become bologna in captivity and tiger food in the wild!

I watched two pronghorns square off one day one was wide and flared cutters the other more typical heart shaped, both nice 15+ and I couldn't decide which to shoot so I watched and shot the winner!

Same thing happened while hunting rusa stag. Now you want to see some testosterone induced battle rusa wallow and roll until they look like a couple monsters from the boggy lagoon and then square off and beat each other clean!

Life is good......... and even better on top of the food chain!

I fully expect animals to fight in the wild. I just have a problem with humans staging the fights for their own pleasure. I love watching the films of big horns squaring off for dominance but I wouldn't watch it if some rancher placed 2 of them in a pen and instigated the action.

I would say to you that these buffalo have been beasts of burden and are usually confined, in some manner, their entire life, and here they are finally getting to do something THEY really enjoy, too.

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if some rancher placed 2 of them in a pen and instigated the action.

What do you think...the wispered into #7's ear...no 5 called your momma a fat cow?

I didn't see any instigating! Other that the "ranchers" trying to instigate the end to the ruckus when #5 turned tail and ol #7 still wanted a little more of what looked like his own volition!

You love watching big horn sheep and these guys like watching buffalo the only difference is you watch from your couch and they watch from the bleacher seats!

And Mike Vick likes watching too. Are you okay with dog fights? A pen is not a natural environment. Animals fight for a reward at the end for the one that proves dominant. What do these beasts get? Slaughter, that's what. Go get your rocks off if you choose but I'll stick to something a little more natural.

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And Mike Vick likes watching too. Are you okay with dog fights? A pen is not a natural environment. Animals fight for a reward at the end for the one that proves dominant

Now I'm confused.

First. I don't know or care what Mr. Vick likes,

Next are you anti penning of these stock/draft animals?

And finally which bull do you think will be most likely to be used as the farms herd bull?

Personally; I don't see this as a fight or blood sport. I think 2 bulls pushing and shoving is closer akin to 2 horses in a pulling contest, or even a horse race, or dogsled contest.

So comparing it to dog fighting is like comparing sumo wrestling to knife fighting or dueling.

Mike

madabula, exactly.
Anyone who thinks this, or even spanish bull-fights or cock-fights, is in the same "evil"-league as dog-fights simply doesn't understand exactly who dog-fighters are. Ask any cop who has dealt with the dog-fighting group, and he will tell you they are as bad as it gets. The final end-product/goal for most bulls and cocks, is their death and preparation as food for humans. The end-goal of a dog's life (at least in western culture)is as a friend, companion, and protector. The difference in what our feelings toward their deaths should be is obvious. The fans of these bull vs bull, and of cock-fights, and of spanish bull-fighting are just every-day folks who are watching those activities instead of, say, pro-football on TV. If the Slug doesn't want to watch, that's his business; if he's trying to equate these things to dog-fights, he just doesn't have enough information. Dog-fighters are not "every-day" folks, and killing our friends/protectors is vastly different than killing our food animals.

Also, the bulls and cocks involved are given a privilege not received by their brethren who have gone to an abbatoir in their first year of life--they have been allowed to live to maturity, and can continue to live if they win. If any of us were allowed the choice between being made into a burger in our youth (with no chance of escape), or becoming a gladiator in our maturity and allowed to breed if we survived, the choice would be obvious.

....I agree with the Slug .....it,s like the kid who enjoys pulling the wings off bugs ....People in different societies ., view different things differently ..Doesn,t make it right .,.,.,People have been being barbaric since the beginning of time so that is not a good reason to do it ..........Course lots of people will but that doesn,tmake it right either ....Animals do all kinds of animal things .,., Humans arn,t animals .,.,