Jesus was Semitic. So he would fit phenotypically within what one sees in Jewish and Middle Eastern groups. Quite a wide variation, and classically considered caucasoid/white by the government (for what it’s worth).

Shorter, relatively straight dark hair, brown eyes, lighter skin tones that can darken substantially with sun exposure (so probably would be very dark brown on sight).

That’s if it’s a genetically likely local situation.

Yes, the renaissance artwork where he looks like a Northern European is all artistic license… but I saw pictures of him depicted as black in Ethiopia.

I think the idea that “he looked just like one of us” is a perfectly reasonable viewpoint for any culture, because he did. Son of god made into man- he could look however he felt necessary.


All the arguments “he was black” or “he was white” are really is an attempt to utilize religion for a political purpose. Practically, he was every man.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Jesus was Semitic. So he would fit phenotypically within what one sees in Jewish and Middle Eastern groups. Quite a wide variation, and classically considered caucasoid/white by the government (for what it’s worth).

Shorter, relatively straight dark hair, brown eyes, lighter skin tones that can darken substantially with sun exposure (so probably would be very dark brown on sight).

That’s if it’s a genetically likely local situation.

Yes, the renaissance artwork where he looks like a Northern European is all artistic license… but I saw pictures of him depicted as black in Ethiopia.

I think the idea that “he looked just like one of us” is a perfectly reasonable viewpoint for any culture, because he did. Son of god made into man- he could look however he felt necessary.


All the arguments “he was black” or “he was white” are really is an attempt to utilize religion for a political purpose. Practically, he was every man.

Another good post.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Jesus was Semitic. So he would fit phenotypically within what one sees in Jewish and Middle Eastern groups.

I think the idea that “he looked just like one of us” is a perfectly reasonable viewpoint for any culture, because he did. Son of god made into man- he could look however he felt necessary.

Practically, he was every man.

So, he was a Cameleon, or shape-shift·​er?

So, which image do you ID with?

https://www.google.com/search?...w=1489&bih=841&dpr=2

https://www.google.com/search?...HS9KBUwQ2-cCegQIABAA

As a child I attended a small primitive Baptist church. It's still there, about a mile down the road from here. Some of the congregation brought one of those velvet carpet things and nailed to the wall in the church. It was an image of (white) Jesus on a purple velvet rug. I'll never forget it. The rest of the congregation didn't have the gall to object. The same store also sold velvet Elvis rugs.

https://www.google.com/search?...mgdii=FSJQXLwV8XMJGM

https://www.collectorsweekly.c...world-loves-to-hate/

Scroll down to fourth image:

“It’s a powerful medium. Something about it just grabs people by the short hairs.”

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What about Him being the original liberal?

Likely close to what he looked like.

The six oldest images of Jesus

Okay. Can't argue with that. It's as good as any, better than some, especially the velvet Jesus of my youth.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I'm undecided about Scott, but I'm definitely decided about you.


So, tell me why you don't fit the definition of a Christian Nationalist?

I am who I am and am uncaring of your view of me.

But I will say:

1) I believe in the America/Americans first policy.
-The USA needs to put its citizens first
-The USA gvt needs to look after our interests first and foremost in world affairs.
-I believe that may qualify me as a Nationalist.

2) I am Christian
-I put the teachings of Jesus Christ above all of man’s law
-I consider my faith in deciding all decisions in my life.

Thus, you tell me what I am.

Hmmmm...


So long the secular laws doesn`t coalite with Gods laws you are also to obey those too.( read Romans 13)

This socalled "Christian nationalism" is somewhat invented. Some "christians" believe they can establish the kingdom of God here on earth. The bible clearly states it won`t happened. If somebody tries to its not of Christ.

I have always wondered about something. Maybe its just Hollywood( I watch Hollywood movies).
In america courtrooms when someone are to take the witnessstand they swear on the bible. It this really true?. If so it isn`t of Christ.

I'm still wanting Kabob to tell me if he is afraid of Mormons.
I would think any group that thinks a man should have four wives would be scary.

and worse, IF-
the 4 were all redheads

quote:

Originally posted by jens poulsen:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I'm undecided about Scott, but I'm definitely decided about you.


So, tell me why you don't fit the definition of a Christian Nationalist?

I am who I am and am uncaring of your view of me.

But I will say:

1) I believe in the America/Americans first policy.
-The USA needs to put its citizens first
-The USA gvt needs to look after our interests first and foremost in world affairs.
-I believe that may qualify me as a Nationalist.

2) I am Christian
-I put the teachings of Jesus Christ above all of man’s law
-I consider my faith in deciding all decisions in my life.

Thus, you tell me what I am.

Hmmmm...


So long the secular laws doesn`t coalite with Gods laws you are also to obey those too.( read Romans 13)

This socalled "Christian nationalism" is somewhat invented. Some "christians" believe they can establish the kingdom of God here on earth. The bible clearly states it won`t happened. If somebody tries to its not of Christ.

I have always wondered about something. Maybe its just Hollywood( I watch Hollywood movies).
In america courtrooms when someone are to take the witnessstand they swear on the bible. It this really true?. If so it isn`t of Christ.

The Bible is not used in KY to swear witnesses nor to take Oaths of Office. You are not asked, “ So help you God.”

If you ask for a Bible to take an oath of office, you can. This is not required.

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Originally posted by theback40:
I'm still wanting Kabob to tell me if he is afraid of Mormons.
I would think any group that thinks a man should have four wives would be scary.

I would think any man who can survive 4 wives is pretty scary!

After 3 pages nobody has answered the question. Does anyone ever wonder why I'm scared of Christian Nationalism?("Magic Enema"). No, I haven't given it any consideration whatsoever.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
After 3 pages nobody has answered the question. Does anyone ever wonder why I'm scared of Christian Nationalism?("Magic Enema"). No, I haven't given it any consideration whatsoever.

Somewhere there must be a joke about a mormon explaining something to his four blond wives!

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by carpetman1:
After 3 pages nobody has answered the question. Does anyone ever wonder why I'm scared of Christian Nationalism?("Magic Enema"). No, I haven't given it any consideration whatsoever.

Okay, that does it. I've been thinking of changing the OP premise anyway, just because numbnutz are out there.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Somewhere there must be a joke about a mormon explaining something to his four blond wives!

There is a parable:

The Eight Cow Wife: A Toxic Iconic Mormon Parable
BY
CHIAROSCURO
FEBRUARY 22, 2020

https://exponentii.org/blog/th...onic-mormon-parable/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN31v9dt7OQ

Johnny Lingo 8 Cow Wife

This is a pared-down-for-purposes-of-hilarity cut of "Johnny Lingo", a Brigham Young University production that uses a faux polynesian community to demonstrate the hidden value of women... in units of cows. Appalling and jaw-dropping, sure, but also absurd!
So sit back and let the LDS church teach you about gender values... but in a more efficient format than the original film.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7cMpuLGW-4

The Legend of Johnny Lingo | 2019 Trailer

I get the thought behind the new title... but the grammar is bad.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I get the thought behind the new title... but the grammar is bad.

It's the thought that counts.

Grammer? Try to fit a thought within the constraints of a title in this forum.

It's either click bait or get creative. Often complete sentences don't fit, so I drop some words.

Actually, the new title is a complete sentence.

Give me your suggestion as to the wording.

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Okay, taking your suggestion about grammar, I changed the title again.

Is that okay with you now?

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Some alternatives:

As a patriot, do you think reason exists to be afraid of Christian Nationalism?

As a patriot, are you concerned about Christian Nationalism?

Are you concerned about Christian Nationalism?

Is Christian Nationalism a problem?

and so forth.

What do you say?

Looks fine to me.

"Do patriots have reason to fear Christian nationalism?"

May not be the thought you want to express, but it's more succinct.

I thought “patriot” was a naughty word these days…to you liberals.

No, we are the true patriots. It's "nationalism" that's the dirty word.

Thanks. I really like it.

It is the thought I want to express.

It is properly "loaded".

I find it humbling sometimes how I try to use words correctly and concisely, yet others are obviously better gifted.

The same goes for practically anything, even professionally and trained and experienced.

I have been humbled many times.

So, notice that I changed the title, using quotation marks to give credit to you.

Well, I am loyal and devoted to my country.

I also remember when that was publicly celebrated.

It is still publicly celebrated. One recent event was on 1/6/21.

Then we had a series of small celebrations each time the 500+ self-deemed patriots were convicted.

We're overdue for the BIG one.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Thanks. I really like it.

It is the thought I want to express.

It is properly "loaded".

I find it humbling sometimes how I try to use words correctly and concisely, yet others are obviously better gifted.

The same goes for practically anything, even professionally and trained and experienced.

I have been humbled many times.

So, notice that I changed the title, using quotation marks to give credit to you.

One of the tricks about editing is that it's always easier to spot flaws in someone else's work than in your own. Self-editing is one of the hardest things I know.

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One of the tricks about editing is that it's always easier to spot flaws in someone else's work than in your own. Self-editing is one of the hardest things I know.

Exactly. Thus, there are those who make a living editing other's work.

Magic Enema--You changed the title AFTER my post. That is dishonest. Wouldn't want to do business with you.

Then don't do "business" with me.

You are twisted.

It's clear that I changed the title of this thread due to your post.

I don't want to give you credit for anything, but in this case, you earned it.

When dealing with numbnutz, clarity is everything, for the sake of others.

OK, do patriots have reason to fear Christian Nationalism?

No.

That you felt the need to change the topic title to this is plenty of evidence of that.

I still feel its a fringe group at this point, as are the multinationalists... maybe bigger than those, but still fringe, and unlikely to gain any traction.

I'm not so sure. Nationalists give patriots a bad name.

quote:

Originally posted by carpetman1:
Magic Enema--You changed the title AFTER my post. That is dishonest. Wouldn't want to do business with you.

I don't see your beef. You pointed out a flaw in his thread title, so he changed it. No one is deceived because the tracks are plain to follow.

ME accused Christianity of trading in fear.

His sole purpose with this thread was to sell fear.

He's not much of a salesman then. I didn't feel afraid. Did you feel afraid?

Rather than being afraid, I'll keep a wary eye on the Christian nationalists. I can't think of a more deadly combination. Malignant nationalism powered by religious fervor.

No sir…no fear here.

Kabob still wont tell us if he fears mormons, and there version of the same thing.
How about girl scouts? Do they make you tremble Kabob?

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
OK, do patriots have reason to fear Christian Nationalism?

No.

That you felt the need to change the topic title to this is plenty of evidence of that.

I still feel its a fringe group at this point, as are the multinationalists... maybe bigger than those, but still fringe, and unlikely to gain any traction.

I didn't change the topic. It's still the same as initially intended. It's not the evidence you claim.

I used the word "patriots" as a loaded thought. It's like the word sincere. One can be a sincere pseudo-patriot, and end up being rightly convicted of insurrection, seditious conspiracy, etc.

I changed the title mostly because it initially involved me personally, and some focused on that. I wanted to focus on reasons to fear Christian Nationalism in the big picture, by real patriots.

So, my initial title mislead. Some are too anxious to make it personal, because they are nasty.

I take exception to the claim that Christian Nationalism is fringe. DJT couldn't have been elected if not for C N. I could look it up but as I recall something like 80 percent of Christians at one time supported Trump. That's not fringe. If it is then Christianity is fringe.

Christ groomed and exploited the savior proclivities in human nature. "I alone can save you, or fix this". Sound familiar? DJT portrays the savior syndrome very well. "I alone can fix this"; end the war in Ukraine, the economy, restore the power of church, quell the evil democrats. That's why he appeals.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...479bab8230cfb56294d7

Donald Trump Prophet Predicts Death of Democrats: 'You Will See Many Die'
Story by Gerrard Kaonga • 1h ago

Umm you did change it.

Initially it was your personal belief.

Now playing it’s all patriotic folks (notably you can be a patriot of another nation, Saeed is an Emirati patriot.

If your implication is only regarding the US, then my answer still stands.

The way you changed things also implies you are the standard of patriotism. While you served in time of war (and thank you for that) and I don’t doubt your patriotism, it’s rather galling to have you assume anyone who doesn’t agree with you is not patriotic, at least by your implication.

As I dont know a single christian nationalist, I assumed Kabob was true to his topic that he was afraid. He uses the term fear, and scared in so many of his posts, it's a natural assumption.
I think there are a few sects, christian, mormon, muslim and so on, that would like the country to fall under their beliefs. None have a chance in hell (pun intended)of getting a majority to go along. Not only am I not afraid of it, I dont have the slightest concern.

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Originally posted by theback40:
. . . I dont know a single christian nationalist . . .

Then you need to acquaint yourself with several of the folks on this thread . . .