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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Scott and Doc Butler, and others who somehow think this is fringe, not approaching mainstream, do you not recognize that Trump is still considered by many to be God's agent for Christian Nationalism?

And if he is replaced, it will be with another "agent", perhaps more effective.

Do you think Trump is fringe or mainstream?

Although his influence may be declining, the bulk of his base was Christians, and may still be.

Do you think for a minute that his messaging and rhetoric was not aimed directly at them?

Trump is still a viable candidate.

He is saying more and more the quiet part of Christian Nationalism, the stuff the believers won't say out loud, yet, until Trump legitimizes it. But all the undercurrent is there, with all the lies and conspiracy theories for loathing liberals, the culture war, for example.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4912b159132157e695f9

Trump's 2024 litmus test is worse than cruelty
5 hrs ago

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First it's the patriot certification test, then the litmus test, and so forth, all God's plan.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Scott,
I bet ME views you as a Christian Nationalist. I know he considers me one and our views on Christianity and the USA are pretty closely aligned.

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Originally posted by pointblank:
ME, I wonder if you realize that your views might just be, FRINGE views?

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Originally posted by Scott King:


You use, "many" and "may", is "many" 5 or 500k? Is "may" will positively, probably, likely, not likely or the slimmest of possibly?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Scott King:


You use, "many" and "may", is "many" 5 or 500k? Is "may" will positively, probably, likely, not likely or the slimmest of possibly?

I'm trying to make it as impersonal as I can, however I consider Lane the almost perfect example of a Christian Nationalist.

He has self-declared himself such with a multitude of posts in affirmation.

The C N have an agenda and have made it clear. I've shown how they go about it, and their agenda, and how even Christian orgs are opposed. The 1/6 event was a clue, and the same powers are still at it.

I can't even bring a horse to water, much less make him drink.

I'm just highlighting a national issue that is not fringe.

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You quote sources that are making a buck saying this stuff, and that qualify as agitprop.

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You are actively trying to demonize Dr. Easter here by labeling him with condemning loaded terms.

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To emotionally condemn without valid logical reason. To try and condemn by an appeal to emotion.

You labeled him with a emotionally loaded term.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do you approve or support what Michael Flynn is doing?

Why or why not?

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He has supported conflation of church and state and said that it should be declared that this is a Christian Nation, and thus supported by Govt, laws and culture.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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He has supported conflation of church and state and said that it should be declared that this is a Christian Nation, and thus supported by Govt, laws and culture.

And just for the record…this quote from you about me is inaccurate.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Just for the record:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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He has supported conflation of church and state and said that it should be declared that this is a Christian Nation, and thus supported by Govt, laws and culture.

And just for the record…this quote from you about me is inaccurate.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Ok, I can recognize a typo, so I fixed my quote and response. I certainly don't want to mislead by exploiting a typo.

BTW, now is a good opportunity, for the record, to set me/us straight on your views/position on the high-point aspects of the big issues I mentioned above.

Try to be concise, please.

For example:

1. Conflation of church and state

I have never stated that I want church and state to merge. I believe in “freedom of religion.” Rather, I prefer a more Libertarian stance on religion as it pertains to fed law — stay the hell out of it all together. If local communities want religion to exist within schools and local law enforcement, don’t try to stop it…stay out of it. The Constitution provides for “freedom of religion” NOT “freedom from religion.” If Gainesville, Texas wants to have a tablet of the 10-Commandments in it courthouse — so be it. If Gainesville ISD wants it’s principle to read a prayer over the intercom…stay away from it. Let local communities decide their civil liberties for themselves.

2. Declaration of Christian Nation (by whom)

The USA is a predominantly Christian nation and the USA was founded in Judeo-Christian principles — facts. I never stated I wanted a declaration of the nation as a Christian nation.

3. laws - the rule of law - the constitution - are they secular or not?

The Constitution and our laws are secular in the general definition of secular. That does not mean the Founders ‘intended’ that all religious beliefs be checked at the door of discussion and writing of law. Our laws must have a secular nature as the country is founded with the principle of freedom of religion and thus must be able to be enforced on man of any religion and not punish one religion with rules from another. I believe the Founders intended the Constitution and subsequent laws be generic — a better descriptor. The Founders themselves were faithful and never envisioned a society where God would be shunned.

And other Pontification as you wish. (Such as the evils of liberal democracy)

It is simple. Liberalism provided by the Democratic Party provides the stage upon which satan dances. They are enablers.

You have the podium, Sir.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Why are they selling Jesus?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...43a09bc9fe206b1a3c6c

Mysterious donors are paying millions to run commercials for Jesus during the Super Bowl
Story by Chris Morris • Yesterday 12:04 PM


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And this is right out of Steve Bannon's playbook, quash the deep state written all over it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4a51a5973b3207e9d998

Conservative Groups Are Building An Army Of Personnel To Take Over The Government
Story by James Lynch • Yesterday 5:38 PM


Be certain that the Christian Nationalist agenda is all over this:

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Chretien writes. “More and more of our politicians are willing to use the government to achieve our vision, because the neutrality of ‘keeping the government out of it’ will lose every time to the left’s vast power.”

Reactionary to the left???

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Project 2025 is creating a detailed policy book, online personnel database, interactive training sessions and a day one implementation plan for conservatives to govern effectively. More than 350 leading conservatives have contributed to the policy book, which “outlines a vision of conservative success at each federal agency during the next administration,” Chretien detailed.

The second initiative, a “conservative LinkedIn” will launch in March and give conservatives an opportunity to contend for government roles.

Project 2025’s third proposal is a “Presidential Administration Academy” designed to “turn future conservative political appointees into experts in governmental effectiveness.” A deep knowledge of how to use power will prevent career federal bureaucrats from “tripping us up,” Chretien believes.

The final pillar of Project 2025’s vision is a plan to turn detailed policy ideas into “an implementation plan for each agency to advocate to the incoming administration” and effectively use the government to solve problems. It will ensure the next conservative administration is ready to counteract the “permanent political class” in two years, Chretien says in the editorial.

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Good and effective governance is generally desirable, but that's not what they are talking about. They are talking about weaponizing government for effect, for the agenda, which in part is the furtherance of Christian Nationalism, gutting environmental protections, etc. To understand this, look at Steve Bannon's messaging re the deep state, etc. They want it to seem innocuous, using words like good governance, effectiveness, using power, implementation, solve problems, counteract, etc.

Be certain that it's all part of the far-right agenda. Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn and many others say it loud a clear.

Propaganda - selling Jesus - is all part of it.

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https://www.thenation.com/arti...ve-bannon-january-6/

Steve Bannon’s Endgame
Despite facing legal defeats, Trump’s former adviser is scheming Trump’s return—and Trump’s revenge.

Bannon knew what was coming on the eve of President Donald Trump’s violent coup attempt. And he knows what’s coming now as he promotes a “populist revolt” that he predicts will see an army of partisans flooding polling places this November to usher in a new era of right-wing extremism.

Reveling in the details of a recent Axios report on how Trumpers “are preparing to radically reshape the federal government if he is re-elected, purging potentially thousands of civil servants and filling career posts with loyalists to him and his ‘America First’ ideology,” Bannon is issuing new calls to action.

He wants people “stepping forward and say[ing], ‘Hey, I want to be one of those 4,000 shock troops,’” he said on his popular podcast, Bannon’s War Room.

If Republicans take charge of Congress and statehouses this fall, they will follow a playbook outlined by Bannon and promoted by Trump. Bannon is already talking about impeaching Joe Biden and investigating the members of the January 6 committee. Last December on his podcast, he announced, “We’re going to hit the beach with the landing teams and the beachhead teams, and all that nomenclature they use, when President Trump wins in 2024—or before.”

The “or before” is an ominous reminder that Bannon is no newcomer to authoritarian politics. The extraordinary hearings of the January 6 committee confirmed that Bannon continues to serve as Trump’s savviest—and most Machiavellian—coconspirator.

But Bannon didn’t disappear from Trump’s orbit. He decamped to Europe and joined far-right partisans in building the infrastructure for the “global populist movement,” hailed Hungary’s Viktor Orbán as “the most significant guy on the scene right now,” and sought to establish a “gladiator school for culture warriors” in a former Italian monastery. Back home, he allegedly sought to defraud Trump supporters who wanted to help pay for the president’s border wall.

But the side hustles were just distractions from the real project: remaking the United States as an “America First” enclave where racism and xenophobia are normalized and where Trump and his minions utilize the authoritarian power of government to punish their enemies and reward themselves.

When pundits talk about the 2022 and 2024 elections, they need to recognize—as Bannon does—that the results will determine whether an already battered republic will be handed over to the far-right political project of Donald Trump and Steve Bannon.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...cracy-threat/638443/

AMERICAN RASPUTIN
Steve Bannon is still scheming.

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/p...nationalist-movement

Army of God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdypIYfTU1U

weaponizing prayer