Why do they have to even vote on this?

The public have a RIGHT to know.

EVERYTHING!

No redacting!

Trump is worried.

This Epstein thing is a gift that keeps on giving. Trump will try all sorts of distractions but I doubt this is going away.

He managed to get past the pussy grabbing tape, but can he get past Pedophilic pussy grabbing?

https://youtu.be/hAlZKDJL89U?si=ITNQTPaN9go895Hz

Trump's Behaviour Around The Epstein Saga Suggests He Is Hiding Something Big

https://youtu.be/47AecsTF1ew?si=d3r9wuVj4S0jEpCe

Now Trump is Really Scared By Epstein: Michael Wolff | The Daily Beast Podcast

https://youtu.be/XlRejszaTBk?si=-89LHE_9sbwMXh7B

'Disconnected': Does Trump realize just how bad the Epstein fallout is?

https://youtu.be/XyJ-lC4Lrpc?si=HNOEclbhJfCQEdf3&t=18

Trump can't defuse Epstein bomb: WH in FREEFALL as MAGA revolts, calls for firing, FBI official AWOL

And much of the rightist media will STFU or try to divert or flip the script:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...81M?ocid=socialshare

Charlie Kirk says ‘I’m done talking about Epstein’ after Trump called him over weekend
Story by Justin Baragona • 16h •
5 min read

I have been befuddeled as to why MAGAdites are upset about Trump and his admin over the Epstein thing.

The above posted links explain it.

The good Christian Nationalists have forgiven or overlooked a lot with Trump, including being a fake Christian and just using them, and they hold onto the belief he's a God given gift to them, despite his human faults. The premise of course is we're all flawed and can still serve God, or perhaps serve those who claim to serve God.

It's utter hypocrisy of course. But being linked to pedophilia causes great dissonance in the Force. They can't cope with the irony of their own hypocrisy.

But perhaps here's a more concise explanation:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...Piq?ocid=socialshare

'Hard to grasp': Analyst says MAGA hypocrisy has left Trump 'bewildered'
Story by Adam Nichols • 4h •
3 min read

"MAGA voters have made it abundantly clear that they do not care about sexual abuse," Marcotte wrote. "They didn’t care when a tape of Trump bragging about sexual assault was released in 2016. They didn’t care when he was found liable for sexual assault by a civil jury in 2023. They don’t mind that Trump goes out of his way to associate with men accused of sex crimes, from Epstein to Vince McMahon to Pete Hegseth to Matt Gaetz and numerous others.

"For Trump, this has to be bewildering. His supporters do not treat sexual violence like it’s a bad thing. So why do they care about Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes, or the identities of his alleged co-conspirators?"

The answer lies in MAGA's desperate need for moral absolution, she wrote.

Unlike Trump's adult victims, Epstein abused underage girls. In that narrow space between misogynist violence and pedophilia, MAGA masses have found their salvation.

"Despite their acceptance of misogynist violence, they still get to be the 'good guys' because they draw the line at raping minors<' the columnist wrote.

"By being very loudly against pedophilia, they can recast themselves as the heroes, ignoring all the other villainous behavior, including their love of a man who boasted about how he grabs unsuspecting women by their genitals."

Marcotte went on, "This is, no doubt, hard for Trump to grasp. He has never shown any sign of having a conscience, and he likely can’t imagine how his supporters might be suppressing feelings of guilt for their complicity in backing a sexual predator.

"The Epstein conspiracy theory serves as a coping mechanism for cognitive dissonance. Yes, Trump assaulted E. Jean Carroll—but if Bill Clinton is on a mythical "Epstein client list," Democrats are worse. Yes, Trump's cabinet undermines children's safety—but fantasizing about Bill Gates as a child molester lets them pretend they're protecting kids."

=======================================================

At the bottom of the above article, there are several links to othere relevant articles.

======================================================

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...j6M?ocid=socialshare

It's not just the Epstein files. The Trump administration is withholding all kinds of public records.

https://youtube.com/shorts/u00...?si=9Hvk__MaY3QJb5AQ

Inside The Most Transparent White House Administration EVER!

Yea, most of us could see right through them.

Now, many MAGAgots can too and they don't like what they see, beyond the figment.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Why do they have to even vote on this?

The public have a RIGHT to know.

EVERYTHING!

No redacting!

yeah, no, boss -- there isn't a RIGHT, but there is a failed commitment

fauxahantas says we don't even have the right to know where tax dollars are spent

Actually, there is a right. Congress created a right when they create the Open Records Act.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Actually, there is a right. Congress created a right when they create the Open Records Act.

that would be art I, sec 9

quote:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

but go tell Liz, either way

oh, you meant epstien -- if congress doesn't HAVE the record, they can't have an OPEN record

Open Records Act applies to all 3 branches of government.

That includes the Executive.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Open Records Act applies to all 3 branches of government.

That includes the Executive.

nice .. allow me to revise

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
oh, you meant epstien -- if congress ANY BRANCH doesn't HAVE the record, they can't have an OPEN record

Done said, I do not believe the master exists. I believe the Regime shot their mouth off during the election and transition to rabble rouse. Now, the mob has called in their marker and there is nothing to give.

Looks like the MAGA mob is going to take a finger for the betrayals of this list and BBB.

Why did Blondi say the list was on her desk?

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Why did Blondi say the list was on her desk?

Mostly likely, she lied. Either about it being on her desk, or later when she said it doesn't exist

Open Record Act is the most UNFOLLOWED act!

Thefuckwits ruling you never release anything that reflects badly on them.

Kennedy’s assassination anyone??

Several times I tried to get information under the Freedom of Information Act, which requires an agency to respond to information requests within thirty days. The drill was always the same.

No response for several months. Send a follow-up letter, wait another month of two, finally get a letter saying they're working on it. No mention of the thirty-day deadline.

Wait a few more months, then repeat. Eventually the underlying case (or bid protests) will resolve, without your ever getting the info.

If you try for a court order, the judge will grant it and order the agency to comply with FOIA...within thirty days. If the agency fails to comply, you have no remedy. The court won't hold the agency or its bureaucrats in contempt.

If Congress was serious about the FOIA, they'd make one change: provide that if the agency fails to comply with it, the people responsible for that failure shall lose their jobs.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I have been befuddeled as to why MAGAdites are upset about Trump and his admin over the Epstein thing.

The above posted links explain it.

The good Christian Nationalists have forgiven or overlooked a lot with Trump, including being a fake Christian and just using them, and they hold onto the belief he's a God given gift to them, despite his human faults. The premise of course is we're all flawed and can still serve God, or perhaps serve those who claim to serve God.

It's utter hypocrisy of course. But being linked to pedophilia causes great dissonance in the Force. They can't cope with the irony of their own hypocrisy.

But perhaps here's a more concise explanation:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...Piq?ocid=socialshare

'Hard to grasp': Analyst says MAGA hypocrisy has left Trump 'bewildered'
Story by Adam Nichols • 4h •
3 min read

"MAGA voters have made it abundantly clear that they do not care about sexual abuse," Marcotte wrote. "They didn’t care when a tape of Trump bragging about sexual assault was released in 2016. They didn’t care when he was found liable for sexual assault by a civil jury in 2023. They don’t mind that Trump goes out of his way to associate with men accused of sex crimes, from Epstein to Vince McMahon to Pete Hegseth to Matt Gaetz and numerous others.

"For Trump, this has to be bewildering. His supporters do not treat sexual violence like it’s a bad thing. So why do they care about Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes, or the identities of his alleged co-conspirators?"

The answer lies in MAGA's desperate need for moral absolution, she wrote.

Unlike Trump's adult victims, Epstein abused underage girls. In that narrow space between misogynist violence and pedophilia, MAGA masses have found their salvation.

"Despite their acceptance of misogynist violence, they still get to be the 'good guys' because they draw the line at raping minors<' the columnist wrote.

"By being very loudly against pedophilia, they can recast themselves as the heroes, ignoring all the other villainous behavior, including their love of a man who boasted about how he grabs unsuspecting women by their genitals."

Marcotte went on, "This is, no doubt, hard for Trump to grasp. He has never shown any sign of having a conscience, and he likely can’t imagine how his supporters might be suppressing feelings of guilt for their complicity in backing a sexual predator.

"The Epstein conspiracy theory serves as a coping mechanism for cognitive dissonance. Yes, Trump assaulted E. Jean Carroll—but if Bill Clinton is on a mythical "Epstein client list," Democrats are worse. Yes, Trump's cabinet undermines children's safety—but fantasizing about Bill Gates as a child molester lets them pretend they're protecting kids."

=======================================================

At the bottom of the above article, there are several links to othere relevant articles.

======================================================

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...j6M?ocid=socialshare

It's not just the Epstein files. The Trump administration is withholding all kinds of public records.

The religious right are nothing but a bunch of FAKES!

There is nothing RIGHT about them.

Selfish, ignorant, do I saw not as I do bunch of IDIOTS!

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Several times I tried to get information under the Freedom of Information Act, which requires an agency to respond to information requests within thirty days. The drill was always the same.

No response for several months. Send a follow-up letter, wait another month of two, finally get a letter saying they're working on it. No mention of the thirty-day deadline.

Wait a few more months, then repeat. Eventually the underlying case (or bid protests) will resolve, without your ever getting the info.

If you try for a court order, the judge will grant it and order the agency to comply with FOIA...within thirty days. If the agency fails to comply, you have no remedy. The court won't hold the agency or its bureaucrats in contempt.

If Congress was serious about the FOIA, they'd make one change: provide that if the agency fails to comply with it, the people responsible for that failure shall lose their jobs.

I mean there are remedies built in. It takes a lot of lawyering.

Weird how mark Levin and his team of "incompetents" seem to have figured out FOIA requests, but the task eludes the finest minds.

Interesting. Trump now says his supporters calling for the release of the list are “stupid” and “weaklings”. Hope the “boys” and “gals” appreciate how their hero feels about them. I actually tend to agree with Trump . . . albeit for different reasons.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Interesting. Trump now says his supporters calling for the release of the list are “stupid” and “weaklings”. Hope the “boys” and “gals” appreciate how their hero feels about them. I actually tend to agree with Trump . . . albeit for different reasons.

The proper answer to this is "...I've been called worse by better...".

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Interesting. Trump now says his supporters calling for the release of the list are “stupid” and “weaklings”. Hope the “boys” and “gals” appreciate how their hero feels about them. I actually tend to agree with Trump . . . albeit for different reasons.

careful, Mike ... soon enough, some dunderhead libby will come along use this "agreement" as telling evidence you are a magat

. . . the morphing of a conspiracy theory into a real conspiracy.

Notice something? The MAGAts here run from this issue like a scalded ass ape. When it comes to defending the Orange Messiah, they're quite comfortable even ignoring pedophiles. Trump said his supporters were "stupid" and "weaklings" . . . he just got which segment of his supporters wrong. It's the ones prepared to look the other way when a real swamp conspiracy surfaces.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Interesting. Trump now says his supporters calling for the release of the list are “stupid” and “weaklings”. Hope the “boys” and “gals” appreciate how their hero feels about them. I actually tend to agree with Trump . . . albeit for different reasons.

I think he actually "feels about them" that way about his supporters all along. He actually proved them to be stupid and weaklings when they bought his lies and manipulation, telling them what they wanted, and he wanted them to hear. He now doesn't understand why some have turned and he can't simply sway them as usual.

The Orwellian Double Think works, but there is a limit, even with stupid weakling subjects.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...cQG?ocid=socialshare

Why do Trump's MAGA followers care so much about the Epstein files?
Story by Ivan Pereira • 15h • 3 min read

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https://x.com/GavinNewsom/status/1945591708135428403

"Oh thank god! I’ve totally forgotten about the Epstein files now!"

Gavin Newsome post on X

Considering the multiple sexual assault charges that he has had brought against him it's hard to accept that the following isn't true. Knowing that he is such a horndog is another reason to believe that he's probably guilty as charged.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id...a3-afd8-b6fe46f40000

Did JE use those "hundreds" of underage girls just for himself?

Why would all of those clients go there if there wasn't something to go for?
There may not be a list, but you can bet that there is something in the case files that trump and others don't want known.

The whole thing is now such a shitshow that one doesn't know what to believe, esp. from an administration that is just as likely to lie as not.
Why so many pics of trump with JE out there?

https://youtu.be/iDnmZifq2JM?si=QavXT9LVJyoyEnZu

How Trump Controls Minds: A Chilling Psychological Breakdown

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Interesting. Trump now says his supporters calling for the release of the list are “stupid” and “weaklings”. Hope the “boys” and “gals” appreciate how their hero feels about them. I actually tend to agree with Trump . . . albeit for different reasons.

I think he actually "feels about them" that way about his supporters all along. He actually proved them to be stupid and weaklings when they bought his lies and manipulation, telling them what they wanted, and he wanted them to hear. He now doesn't understand why some have turned and he can't simply sway them as usual.

The Orwellian Double Think works, but there is a limit, even with stupid weakling subjects.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...cQG?ocid=socialshare

Why do Trump's MAGA followers care so much about the Epstein files?
Story by Ivan Pereira • 15h • 3 min read

================================================

https://x.com/GavinNewsom/status/1945591708135428403

"Oh thank god! I’ve totally forgotten about the Epstein files now!"

Gavin Newsome post on X

https://youtu.be/zpWyKaDil1I?si=e6ZPuFey-CI-izVa

A Psychiatrist Explains Why Trump’s Scorn Towards His Followers Was Always Inevitable

Admittedly, it never bothered Trump before, but it seems to me, reading the fine points in the stories that it isn't that there isn't some list of folks who visited "Epstein's island" but rather that the government is acknowledging that while they have some lists, they have no ability to correlate the list to the sex parties.

Kind of odd for Trump who hasn't traditionally cared about the rule of law in his speaking, but after what happened to him, I am sure that the DOJ is worried about mass vigilante acts against anyone who went to the island, regardless of proof of bad behavior.

In the last release by Bondi, it seemed that was the quietly stated reason that they are not releasing names. Not that there is no list, but rather they are worried about what happens when/if the list they have is released, especially since they have information that their list has folks who they cannot show any wrongdoing other than visiting a billionaire who handed out money who also turns out to be a criminal.

It seems to me that it is something that is very much rule of law being followed, for all the anti Trump contingent saying he doesn't follow the rule of law.

And yes, I expect it will hurt his support amongst some of his die hard followers who never met a conspiracy they didn't like and now are mad that he will not follow through with it.

Too bad.

. . . the gift that keeps on giving. A conspiracy theory gives birth to a real conspiracy. Let's appoint a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this . . . oops, Trump doesn't want a special prosecutor. I wonder why?


‘Bawdy’ birthday card that Trump reportedly sent to Epstein shines new light on their friendship
Story by Rhian Lubin and Alex Woodward
The Independent

Donald Trump reportedly helped celebrate Jeffrey Epstein’s 50th birthday with a bawdy greeting accompanied by a hand-drawn image of a naked woman.

A report from The Wall Street Journal on Thursday uncovers new details about the relationship between the president and disgraced financier and convicted sex offender, whose death and connections to Trump are at the center of an explosive feud between his allies and right-wing figures demanding more information about the case.

A letter bearing Trump’s name, which the report claims was reviewed by The Journal, contains several lines of typewritten text framed by a drawing of a naked woman. His signature is a squiggly “Donald” below her waist, mimicking pubic hair, according to the report.

The letter is reported to conclude: “Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.”

In an interview with The Journal, Trump denied writing the letter or drawing the picture: “This is not me. This is a fake thing. It’s a fake Wall Street Journal story.”

“I never wrote a picture in my life. I don’t draw pictures of women,” he told the conservative-leaning newspaper, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who has over the years supported Trump.

“It’s not my language. It’s not my words,” Trump told the newspaper.

Following The Journal’s report, the president said he intends to sue the outlet and parent company News Corp — then instructed Attorney General Pam Bondi to “produce any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony” related to the case, “subject to Court approval.”

He claimed on his Truth Social account that the newspaper printed a “false, malicious, and defamatory story” after Trump and White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt personally warned Murdoch and editor Emma Tucker against running it.

In another Truth Social post around 10 p.m. Thursday, the president said, “The Wall Street Journal printed a FAKE letter, supposedly to Epstein. These are not my words, not the way I talk. Also, I don’t draw pictures. I told Rupert Murdoch it was a Scam, that he shouldn’t print this Fake Story. But he did, and now I’m going to sue his ass off, and that of his third rate newspaper. Thank you for your attention to this matter! DJT.”

The Journal reported a typewritten note styled as an imaginary conversation between Trump and Epstein, written in the third person, is included inside the outline of the naked woman, in Trump’s alleged birthday letter to Epstein.

The newspaper claims to have reviewed pages from a leather-bound album of birthday cards that were examined by Department of Justice officials who investigated Epstein and his former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell, who was found guilty of child sex trafficking and other offenses in 2022.

In the imagined conversation, Trump reportedly says “we have certain things in common, Jeffrey,” to which Epstein replies, “Yes, we do, come to think of it.”

“Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?” Trump writes, according to The Journal.

The revelation follows a disastrous week for the Trump administration as the president repeatedly tries to dismiss the so-called Epstein files as a Democratic “hoax.”

Thursday’s report illustrates a closer than previously reported relationship between the president and Epstein, who was accused of sexually abusing dozens of minors before he was found dead in his jail cell in 2019.

A Justice Department memo on July 6 had effectively closed the case, affirming that no such “client list” exists despite demands from Trump’s supporters and allies for a full accounting of Epstein’s death and alleged ties to a wider child trafficking conspiracy implicating powerful figures.

On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly promised to release FBI files related to Epstein, who was found dead in his jail cell on on August 10, 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. But the president’s promises fell flat.

Bondi, on Trump’s directive, also promised to release the files, but after months of delays, the memo from the Justice Department and FBI said agencies would not be releasing any more documents relating to the case.

Bondi had claimed the files were “sitting on her desk” in February. She invited right-wing influencers to the White House for a photo-op at the end of that month, where they held up binders containing “Phase 1” of the Epstein files, largely made up of already publicly available information about the case.

Bondi continued to stall. In May, she claimed there were “tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn,” which fueled further conspiracy theories that powerful people were being protected, and that “Phase 1” binders were allegedly buying time.

The administration’s failure to release any other details about the investigation has been a major blow for Trump’s supporters — including those within Trump’s own administration. Deputy FBI director Don Bongino, who last year amplified conspiracy theories that Epstein was murdered, almost walked over the memo, according to reports.

While the White House likely hoped MAGA’s fury would blow over quickly, outrage has only intensified. Frustrated, Trump lashed out at his supporters this week and reportedly complained in private that they won’t “shut the f*** up” about the Epstein files.

Trump has spent several days publicly calling the Epstein case “boring” and “bulls***” as he questioned the loyalty of gullible “weaklings” who demanded more from his Justice Department.

“Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!” Trump said in a Truth Social fury post.

Even the White House has tried to temper the fury. On July 17, Leavitt was asked whether the president would appoint a special prosecutor to oversee the Epstein case.

“The president would not recommend a special prosecutor in the Epstein case,” Leavitt said. “That’s how he feels. And as for his discussions with the attorney general, I’m not sure.”

Trump’s friendship with Epstein spanned the late 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s, and Trump’s phone number — as well as First Lady Melania Trump’s — were included in Epstein’s infamous leaked address books. Trump’s name also appeared seven times in passenger logs for Epstein’s planes.

The pair reportedly fell out in 2004, when Epstein and Trump both tried to buy a Palm Beach estate. The next year, the FBI began investigating Epstein for child sex trafficking. He pleaded guilty to a state charge of soliciting sex from a minor in 2008.

Trump distanced himself from his former friend after Epstein’s arrest in 2019, when Trump was president.

“Well, I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him,” Trump said on July 9, 2019, one day after Epstein’s arrest. “I mean, people in Palm Beach knew him. He was a fixture in Palm Beach. I had a falling out with him a long time ago. I don’t think I’ve spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn’t a fan.”

Asked three days later what contributed to that “falling out,” Trump said “the reason doesn’t make any difference, frankly.”

One month later, Epstein was found dead in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City.

Doc Butler,

Mostly what you wrote in the above post makes sense. Making sense, from understanding your POV doesn't mean I agree. But, IMO, some of it has a high probability of being true, based on what we know.

And, BTW, thanks for not making some sort of false equivalence. I bitch and lose the thread when you do that, so it's fair to show appreciation when you don't.

While we are surmising, there HAS to be good evidence that Trump sampled the inventory. What was the candy that lured the horndogs?

As you say, that may not be the only reason for withholding disclosure. Although it is probably the overwhelming reason.

And, understanding why so many Trumpsters are upset is an aside issue from Trump's guilt or innocence. I've tried to answer that question with my appeal to authority posts.

You make some claims:

"Kind of odd for Trump who hasn't traditionally cared about the rule of law in his speaking, but after what happened to him, I am sure that the DOJ is worried about mass vigilante acts against anyone who went to the island, regardless of proof of bad behavior."

Let's unpack that. Yes, it's odd, so odd as to be implausible. And it's not just his speaking but acts too and also acts of his team. Trump definitely "cares" about the rule of law, but only to the extent it constrains him. To him, it's an obstacle, something he's above and something to defeat.

Why are you sure DOJ is worried about mass vigilante acts, in this case? I doubt they care at all about who gets hurt, except for Trump.

The Trump admin selectively leaks, on purpose. They have tried to quell all leaks on this one.
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"especially since they have information that their list has folks who they cannot show any wrongdoing other than visiting a billionaire"

We don't know that. Again, what's the candy for the horndogs, and who is the biggest horndog other than slick willie?
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"It seems to me that it is something that is very much rule of law being followed, for all the anti Trump contingent saying he doesn't follow the rule of law."

I think that claim is utter BS. Only a complicit denier of what Trumpism is about would say that.

==========================================================

I don't get into wishful or hopeful thinking, but in this case I hope this eats Trump(ism) from the inside out. It has the potential.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tru...-over-005521737.html

Let him sue, should make for interesting discovery.

If it was a hoax the Dems likely would have revealed more, no?

""President Donald Trump said Thursday he would sue the Wall Street Journal and its owner over a new bombshell report about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and directed Attorney General Pam Bondi to begin the process of unsealing grand jury testimony in the disgraced financier’s criminal case.

“"Based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein, I have asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to produce any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony, subject to Court approval,” Trump said on social media, though it’s unclear that a judge would approve the request. “This SCAM, perpetuated by the Democrats, should end, right now!”"

For many Trumpsters, mostly the Christian Nationalists, the "End" of the Epstein story was supposed to be full disclosure of the vermin democrat Cabal trafficking children in the basement of a pizza parlor with no basement, just before the prophesy fulfillment of the 2nd coming and the rapture.

IOW, Trump exploited some very sick people. Who are they gonna blame, themselves?

I think they are not going to blame themselves for being stupid and used.

Also, I think this is the reason Trump doesn't understand why his "cover" cloak has quit working.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...pIj?ocid=socialshare

Donald Trump just blew his cover as the 'real victim' in new scam on MAGA |
Opinion by John Stoehr • 4h •
6 min read

Excerpt:

The president is trying to change the subject after the attorney general closed the case on disgraced financier and Jeffrey Epstein. That’s why Donald Trump has lately been harping on Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell. Someone is to blame for some makebelieve problem and Trump wants to be seen as the solution.

But even if Trump were able to redirect the press corps’ attention, he is unlikely to change the dynamics under way among the MAGA faithful. Trump says Powell must go so that interest rates fall, but to the extent that MAGA base was ever motivated by inflation or the cost of living, it was a secondary concern. MAGA’s principal motivation is drawn from a cosmic story about the battle between good and evil, and with the Epstein scandal, Trump has raised doubts about which side he’s on.

Which story? QAnon. It’s the belief that Donald Trump is the epic hero in a secret war against powerful and malevolent (and Jewish) conspirators who have plotted with agents in the government (the deep state), corporations (wokeness) and the media (lies) to sabotage America. The end of the story was supposed to come when Trump released the Epstein files in advance of executing God’s enemies.

But when US Attorney General Pam Bondi announced that there was no list and no conspiracy, she said, in effect, that “the prophecy” was phony. As Lindsay Beyerstein memorably put it: “To the QAnon base, it’s akin to the pope tweeting, ‘We’ve reviewed the files and Jesus didn’t rise from the dead. Thank you for your attention in this matter.’”

Something about QAnon that’s important to bear in mind is that lots of people have served it to become rich and influential, which is to say, lots of people have cynically exploited antisemitic fear and paranoia to create a gigantic rightwing media apparatus that has been able to shield the president from feeling the consequences of virtually all of his choices, not matter how destructive they might be, even to MAGA.

Another thing to bear in mind is that Trump decided to bring into his administration some of these self-same people who have gotten rich and influential telling and retelling the story about Trump being the hero who is going to save the world and make America great again.

Good luck . . . “Grab ‘Em By The Pussy” Trump, with a looong track record of lying, infidelity, whore mongering, friend and neighbor of Epstein for years, photographed on numerous occasions with Epstein . . . tells his sycophant AG to close down the release of Epstein documents and then tells everyone there is no fire despite the smell of smoke . . . you can run from many things, but not reputation.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Why do they have to even vote on this?

The public have a RIGHT to know.

EVERYTHING!

No redacting!

yeah, no, boss -- there isn't a RIGHT, but there is a failed commitment

fauxahantas says we don't even have the right to know where tax dollars are spent

you have no rights and you are a freeman lol ....

quote:

Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Why do they have to even vote on this?

The public have a RIGHT to know.

EVERYTHING!

No redacting!

yeah, no, boss -- there isn't a RIGHT, but there is a failed commitment

fauxahantas says we don't even have the right to know where tax dollars are spent

you have no rights and you are a freeman lol ....

I wouldn't expect a subject to have any comprehension of rights

quote:

Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tru...-over-005521737.html

Let him sue, should make for interesting discovery.

If it was a hoax the Dems likely would have revealed more, no?

""President Donald Trump said Thursday he would sue the Wall Street Journal and its owner over a new bombshell report about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and directed Attorney General Pam Bondi to begin the process of unsealing grand jury testimony in the disgraced financier’s criminal case.

“"Based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein, I have asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to produce any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony, subject to Court approval,” Trump said on social media, though it’s unclear that a judge would approve the request. “This SCAM, perpetuated by the Democrats, should end, right now!”"

This was my first thought as well. Very interesting discovery indeed.

Let him bring his lawsuit. If I was representing the WSJ, I'd notice his deposition at the first opportunity. Sit his big fat ass in a chair by a court reporter and cross-examine him until his fucking nose bleeds.

And relevancy in a deli extends to any information likely to lead to discoverable info.

The scope is board.

I do think any names of uncharged persons should be and will be redacted in unsealed grand jury transcription.

Does Fed Court allow the prosecution to make this decision? State courts require the Court to order the record released after seeing the prop loses redactions.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Why do they have to even vote on this?

The public have a RIGHT to know.

EVERYTHING!

No redacting!

yeah, no, boss -- there isn't a RIGHT, but there is a failed commitment

fauxahantas says we don't even have the right to know where tax dollars are spent

you have no rights and you are a freeman lol ....

I wouldn't expect a subject to have any comprehension of rights

For someone who ignores me, you sure like reading and writing about me.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Why do they have to even vote on this?

The public have a RIGHT to know.

EVERYTHING!

No redacting!

yeah, no, boss -- there isn't a RIGHT, but there is a failed commitment

fauxahantas says we don't even have the right to know where tax dollars are spent

you have no rights and you are a freeman lol ....

I wouldn't expect a subject to have any comprehension of rights

For someone who ignores me, you sure like reading and writing about me.

Poor thing. Is the reading comprehension or retention that is the source of your issues? Honest question... has your Healthcare professional suggested MAID yet?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
And relevancy in a deli extends to any information likely to lead to discoverable info.

The scope is board.

I do think any names of uncharged persons should be and will be redacted in unsealed grand jury transcription.

Does Fed Court allow the prosecution to make this decision? State courts require the Court to order the record released after seeing the prop loses redactions.

If Epstein had been successfully convicted would all of the abused underage girls have standing to sue him and all of the others who assaulted them IF they wished to go forward wth a suit of their own?

IOW how would they go about getting justice for themselves?

just watch for like 20 seconds
https://youtu.be/3kv7PN5Jrds?si=aAJyeK8KegBGY501

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
And relevancy in a deli extends to any information likely to lead to discoverable info.

The scope is board.

I do think any names of uncharged persons should be and will be redacted in unsealed grand jury transcription.

Does Fed Court allow the prosecution to make this decision? State courts require the Court to order the record released after seeing the prop loses redactions.

If Epstein had been successfully convicted would all of the abused underage girls have standing to sue him and all of the others who assaulted them IF they wished to go forward wth a suit of their own?

IOW how would they go about getting justice for themselves?

They would have standing wo him being convicted.