Well, remember 'Prince' Andrew? What a scumbag. I am SURE he wasn't the only one.

Seems if I remember correctly, Epstein had cameras all over the place. I am sure there was recorded 'data'. I think it was either destroyed a long time ago or, once reviewed, those who saw it were seriously threatened by some very powerful people.

We can only speculate on who's who but it is clear that a lot of very wealthy and powerful people imbibed at pedo island. There airline passenger lists prove that.

I never thought we would ever get the list but there had to be one. Why commit suicide or be 'offed' if there wasn't? This will die like many other things that govt decides to hide. It protects itself above all.

the followers of the cult of the supreme leader are just thinking leftits where there lol ...

“I know for a fact [Epstein] documents are being suppressed and they're being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the names of the individuals, I know why they're being suppressed." Alan Dershowitz

. . . come on all you faithful MAGAts, let's hear the outrage about the swamp, the Deep State, transparency . . .

Alan Dershowitz: Documents are being suppressed

'I know the names': Former Trump advisor accuses him of suppressing key Epstein documents
Story by Ailia Zehra


Alan Dershowitz, a former Constitutional advisor to President Donald Trump, alleged in a bombshell disclosure that key documents tied to convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein are being withheld — not to protect victims, but to shield powerful figures.

“I know for a fact [Epstein] documents are being suppressed and they're being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the names of the individuals, I know why they're being suppressed," he said on the Sean Spicer Show in a newly resurfaced interview that originally aired in March of this year.

Dershowitz continued: "I know who's suppressing them, but I'm bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases, and I can't disclose what I know."

"But, hand to God, I know the names of people whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them, and that's wrong," he added.

Dershowitz was instrumental in negotiating Epstein’s highly criticized 2008 plea deal, which granted Epstein broad immunity from federal prosecution in exchange for a guilty plea on state-level prostitution charges.

He was also a member of Trump’s legal team during his first impeachment trial in the U.S. Senate in early 2020. Though once a liberal Democrat and outspoken critic — at one point in 2016 labeling Trump “more corrupt than Hillary Clinton” — Dershowitz shifted by January 2020 to a formal position focused exclusively on legal arguments.

Trump recruited him personally during a Christmas Eve conversation at Mar‑a‑Lago, and Dershowitz agreed to join on the basis that he would act independently and focus solely on constitutional interpretation — not trial strategy or fact-finding.

Meanwhile, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) reacted to Dershowitz remarks Thursday and wrote on the social platform X: "RELEASE THE EPSTEIN CLIENT LIST!!!!"

Political analyst Dominic Tripi wrote: "The names, the concealed documents, who’s being protected, all of that is available. It’s a pure coverup, they think if you find out the truth it will thoroughly destroy the legitimacy of governing institutions."

So either Republicans trying to save their own, or trying to save Dems for political purpose or simply both
Nobody is defending the administration from either party as far as I know, meaning voters
This is strictly internal in highest positions in both parties

Or Team Trump was lying all along for political reasons.

There lies the rub
Previous administration acted same way so that tells me it’s got nothing to do with party per say but high ups shitting bricks

And Team Biden was no better

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Or Team Trump was lying all along for political reasons.

No, really? If it goes as high as an English heir to the throne, it goes pretty high.
People are offed for less.

There are a few classes of knowledge that are not safe to possess.

The royal family member found he involved and no master list.

quote:

Originally posted by TomP:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Or Team Trump was lying all along for political reasons.

No, really? If it goes as high as an English heir to the throne, it goes pretty high.
People are offed for less.

There are a few classes of knowledge that are not safe to possess.

Just to be clear. Randy Andy isnt an heir, he's in the line of succession IF the heir and their line died or abdicated.

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, remember 'Prince' Andrew? What a scumbag. I am SURE he wasn't the only one.

Seems if I remember correctly, Epstein had cameras all over the place. I am sure there was recorded 'data'. I think it was either destroyed a long time ago or, once reviewed, those who saw it were seriously threatened by some very powerful people.

We can only speculate on who's who but it is clear that a lot of very wealthy and powerful people imbibed at pedo island. There airline passenger lists prove that.

I never thought we would ever get the list but there had to be one. Why commit suicide or be 'offed' if there wasn't? This will die like many other things that govt decides to hide. It protects itself above all.

Actually, Prince Andrew didn’t do anything wrong.

He had sex with WHORE!

Employed by Epstein to cater for his clients.

Just like Clinton and Trump!

Why they made such a fuss about that paid whore I have idea.

She traveled from one location to another, willingly!

Of course, Trump made sure Epstein is dead!

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, remember 'Prince' Andrew? What a scumbag. I am SURE he wasn't the only one.

Seems if I remember correctly, Epstein had cameras all over the place. I am sure there was recorded 'data'. I think it was either destroyed a long time ago or, once reviewed, those who saw it were seriously threatened by some very powerful people.

We can only speculate on who's who but it is clear that a lot of very wealthy and powerful people imbibed at pedo island. There airline passenger lists prove that.

I never thought we would ever get the list but there had to be one. Why commit suicide or be 'offed' if there wasn't? This will die like many other things that govt decides to hide. It protects itself above all.

Actually, Prince Andrew didn’t do anything wrong.

He had sex with WHORE!

Employed by Epstein to cater for his clients.

Just like Clinton and Trump!

Why they made such a fuss about that paid whore I have idea.

She traveled from one location to another, willingly!

Of course, Trump made sure Epstein is dead!

He didn't exactly behave with the integrity we should be able to expect from a public figure and a member of the royal family.

The age of consent here is 16, so had he been on British soil he wouldn't have faced prosecution.

quote:

Originally posted by nute:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, remember 'Prince' Andrew? What a scumbag. I am SURE he wasn't the only one.

Seems if I remember correctly, Epstein had cameras all over the place. I am sure there was recorded 'data'. I think it was either destroyed a long time ago or, once reviewed, those who saw it were seriously threatened by some very powerful people.

We can only speculate on who's who but it is clear that a lot of very wealthy and powerful people imbibed at pedo island. There airline passenger lists prove that.

I never thought we would ever get the list but there had to be one. Why commit suicide or be 'offed' if there wasn't? This will die like many other things that govt decides to hide. It protects itself above all.

Actually, Prince Andrew didn’t do anything wrong.

He had sex with WHORE!

Employed by Epstein to cater for his clients.

Just like Clinton and Trump!

Why they made such a fuss about that paid whore I have idea.

She traveled from one location to another, willingly!

Of course, Trump made sure Epstein is dead!

He didn't exactly behave with the integrity we should be able to expect from a public figure and a member of the royal family.

The age of consent here is 16, so had he been on British soil he wouldn't have faced prosecution.

Was Epstein island in US or other country?
Don’t remember
Anyway. I’m with Saeed

As I understand it, "the age of consent" means insofar as the law is concerned, that before reaching the age threshold, the presumption is that the underage is a victim, and incapable of consent for sex.

Someone who is underage cannot consent to sex. Age of consent is usually determined by the state legislature by statute.

Thus, the expression "statutory rape."

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, remember 'Prince' Andrew? What a scumbag. I am SURE he wasn't the only one.

Seems if I remember correctly, Epstein had cameras all over the place. I am sure there was recorded 'data'. I think it was either destroyed a long time ago or, once reviewed, those who saw it were seriously threatened by some very powerful people.

We can only speculate on who's who but it is clear that a lot of very wealthy and powerful people imbibed at pedo island. There airline passenger lists prove that.

I never thought we would ever get the list but there had to be one. Why commit suicide or be 'offed' if there wasn't? This will die like many other things that govt decides to hide. It protects itself above all.

Actually, Prince Andrew didn’t do anything wrong.

He had sex with WHORE!

Employed by Epstein to cater for his clients.

Just like Clinton and Trump!

Why they made such a fuss about that paid whore I have idea.

She traveled from one location to another, willingly!

Of course, Trump made sure Epstein is dead!

He didn't exactly behave with the integrity we should be able to expect from a public figure and a member of the royal family.

The age of consent here is 16, so had he been on British soil he wouldn't have faced prosecution.

Was Epstein island in US or other country?
Don’t remember
Anyway. I’m with Saeed

US virgin Islands - the age of consent is variable - youngers (range) can consent with others in the range, 16-17 CAN consent within their group or +5 years, 18 is full age of consent - i had to look all that up --

as a father of two daughters, i was aware of the ages in Texas, and my own standards --

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Someone who is underage cannot consent to sex. Age of consent is usually determined by the state legislature by statute.

Thus, the expression "statutory rape."

goodness, you are an idiot, aren't you? let me say it LOUDLY - NO STATE, AS A SUBDIVISION OF A COUNTRY, WAS INVOLVED.

Not every country has STATES, but most COUNTRIES have statutes, and the US virgin Islands isn't (is it plural???) a state, in any circumstances.

try this website, just once in awhile
www.google.com BEFORE posting your ignorance.

good luck luddite

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Someone who is underage cannot consent to sex. Age of consent is usually determined by the state legislature by statute.

Thus, the expression "statutory rape."

goodness, you are an idiot, aren't you? let me say it LOUDLY - NO STATE, AS A SUBDIVISION OF A COUNTRY, WAS INVOLVED.

Not every country has STATES, but most COUNTRIES have statutes, and the US virgin Islands isn't (is it plural???) a state, in any circumstances.

try this website, just once in awhile
www.google.com BEFORE posting your ignorance.

good luck luddite

wait the leftits and clinto did something but the people you are supporting did not ... wow you are on something special ...

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Well, remember 'Prince' Andrew? What a scumbag. I am SURE he wasn't the only one.

Seems if I remember correctly, Epstein had cameras all over the place. I am sure there was recorded 'data'. I think it was either destroyed a long time ago or, once reviewed, those who saw it were seriously threatened by some very powerful people.

We can only speculate on who's who but it is clear that a lot of very wealthy and powerful people imbibed at pedo island. There airline passenger lists prove that.

I never thought we would ever get the list but there had to be one. Why commit suicide or be 'offed' if there wasn't? This will die like many other things that govt decides to hide. It protects itself above all.

Actually, Prince Andrew didn’t do anything wrong.

He had sex with WHORE!

Employed by Epstein to cater for his clients.

Just like Clinton and Trump!

Why they made such a fuss about that paid whore I have idea.

She traveled from one location to another, willingly!

Of course, Trump made sure Epstein is dead!

He didn't exactly behave with the integrity we should be able to expect from a public figure and a member of the royal family.

The age of consent here is 16, so had he been on British soil he wouldn't have faced prosecution.

Was Epstein island in US or other country?
Don’t remember
Anyway. I’m with Saeed

US virgin Islands - the age of consent is variable - youngers (range) can consent with others in the range, 16-17 CAN consent within their group or +5 years, 18 is full age of consent - i had to look all that up --

as a father of two daughters, i was aware of the ages in Texas, and my own standards --

Thanks
Didn’t really know some of the details and wasn’t sure if the island was in US territory
Anyway, it’s a mess one way or the other

Even if they were of age, it is a violation of the Man. Act, and Fed Human Trafficking laws passed for racists reasons but still law, to run an international and interstate saline sex industry.

It would still be illegal to commercialize sex between a legally consenting minor and an adult regardless of the age of consent.

Now, the Feds for both labor transportation and sex have went hard on the human trafficking.

all that to say, whether the girls could legally consent is not material to whether they were victims (as those laws are written) of human trafficking or victim under the Mann Act.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Even if they were of age, it is a violation of the Man. Act, and Fed Human Trafficking laws passed for racists reasons but still law, to run an international and interstate saline sex industry.

It would still be illegal to commercialize sex between a legally consenting minor and an adult regardless of the age of consent.

Now, the Feds for both labor transportation and sex have went hard on the human trafficking.

all that to say, whether the girls could legally consent is not material to whether they were victims (as those laws are written) of human trafficking or victim under the Mann Act.

what's a saline sex industry, llf?

https://youtube.com/shorts/ewg...?si=qtjhulktnr6HHft9

Amazing facts about Jeffrey Epstein

Wanna know if there is a list and whether Trump is on the list . . . you don't need to wonder any more. The Orange Messiah has told his faithful that if they want to get to MAGAt heaven, they need to chill on Epstein.

Trump Calls for MAGA base to end Epstein files obsession

Trump calls for MAGA base to end 'Epstein Files' obsession
Story by AFP

President Donald Trump urged his political base on Saturday to stop attacking his administration over files related to notorious sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, a case that has become an obsession for conspiracy theorists.

Trump's Department of Justice and the FBI said in a memo made public last week there was no evidence that the disgraced financier kept a "client list" or was blackmailing powerful figures.

They also dismissed the claim that Epstein was murdered in jail, confirming his death by suicide at a New York prison in 2019, and said they would not be releasing any more information on the probe.

The move was met with incredulity by some on the US far-right -- many of whom have backed Trump for years -- and strident criticism of Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel.

"What's going on with my 'boys' and, in some cases, 'gals?' They're all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who is doing a FANTASTIC JOB!" Trump said Saturday in a lengthy post on his Truth Social platform.

"We're on one Team, MAGA, and I don't like what's happening. We have a PERFECT Administration, THE TALK OF THE WORLD, and 'selfish people' are trying to hurt it, all over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein," he added, referring to his "Make America Great Again" movement.

Many among the MAGA faithful have long contended that so-called "Deep State" actors were hiding information on Epstein's elite associates.

"Next the DOJ will say 'Actually, Jeffrey Epstein never even existed,'" furious pro-Trump conspiracy theorist Alex Jones tweeted after last week's move. "This is over the top sickening."

Far-right influencer Laura Loomer called for Trump to fire Bondi over the issue, labeling her "an embarrassment."

But on Saturday, Trump came to the defense of his attorney general, suggesting that the so-called "Epstein Files" were a hoax perpetrated by the Democratic Party for political gain, without specifying what benefits they hoped to attain.

On Saturday, Trump struck an exasperated tone in his admonishment of his supporters.

"For years, it's Epstein, over and over again," he said. "Let's...not waste Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about."

The US president called for Patel and Bondi to instead focus on what he terms "The Rigged and Stolen Election of 2020," which Trump lost to Joe Biden.

The Republican has repeatedly perpetuated unfounded conspiracy theories about his loss being due to fraud.

He called for the FBI to be allowed to focus on that investigation "instead of spending month after month looking at nothing but the same old, Radical Left inspired Documents on Jeffrey Epstein. LET PAM BONDI DO HER JOB — SHE'S GREAT!"

Trump, who appears in at least one decades-old video alongside Epstein at a party, has denied allegations that he was named in the files or had any direct connection to the financier.

"The conspiracy theories just aren't true, never have been," said FBI Director Patel on Saturday, hours before Trump's social media post.

Not everyone, however, seemed to be on the same page.

US media reported that Dan Bongino -- an influential right-wing podcast host whom Trump appointed FBI deputy director -- had threatened to resign over the administration's handling of the issue.

nothing happened move on ... should we post what was said about epstein during his campaign lol ...

Trump is absolutely terrified of that list.

He has not once, ever, said the “if there’s a list, I’m not on it”, he only goes on long, deflecting rants.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
Trump is absolutely terrified of that list.

He has not once, ever, said the “if there’s a list, I’m not on it”, he only goes on long, deflecting rants.

Silence speaks volumes, eh?

https://youtu.be/zd2Qj9z7zyE?si=tEdI8RE3HcUsgf_G

Trump gets RUDE AWAKENING on Sunday

Donald Trump’s disastrous Sunday on the one year anniversary of Butler as no one is showing him any sympathy and everyone is focused on his cover ups and harm to the country.
…

His own propaganda outlet, ‘Truth Social’ has been tearing him a new asshole all day. I don’t watch it, but my wife says there’s about 40,000 negative/critical comments on his latest unhinged rant.

Maybe some of his acolytes are coming to their senses and realizing what a nut case he really is.

What do you say, Jeffeosso? Are you still convinced he’s appointed by God to save America from the Libtards? Or should he be in a padded room all by himself?

Well, it’s hard to get a truthful answer from jeffe. First it was his tagline here saying Dump Trump, followed by his statement “I didn’t vote for Trump”. Now he is Trump’s biggest defender here, far eclipsing his brother MAGATS… Confusing…

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
Trump is absolutely terrified of that list.

He has not once, ever, said the “if there’s a list, I’m not on it”, he only goes on long, deflecting rants.

Is there such a list and since it has not been publicized, it actually qualifies as an "alleged" list opening the gates to speculation; or are we to believe anything and everything the media throws at us?

quote:

Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
Trump is absolutely terrified of that list.

He has not once, ever, said the “if there’s a list, I’m not on it”, he only goes on long, deflecting rants.

Is there such a list and since it has not been publicized, it actually qualifies as an "alleged" list opening the gates to speculation; or are we to believe anything and everything the media throws at us?

Only believe it if it is a right wing conspiracy theory that has political value, this one has run its course and has now become a liability to the GOP.

Be a good Trumptard, don't question Daddy.

Bloody hilarious!

The stupid lefty Dems didn’t want the list made public before.

Now they do!

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Bloody hilarious!

The stupid lefty Dems didn’t want the list made public before.

Now they do!

Don't leave out the MAGAts......

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
His own propaganda outlet, ‘Truth Social’ has been tearing him a new asshole all day. I don’t watch it, but my wife says there’s about 40,000 negative/critical comments on his latest unhinged rant.

Maybe some of his acolytes are coming to their senses and realizing what a nut case he really is.

What do you say, Jeffeosso? Are you still convinced he’s appointed by God to save America from the Libtards? Or should he be in a padded room all by himself?

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841)

The GOP on the Epstein files sort of reminds me of mythical Oozlum bird . . . that flies in ever-decreasing concentric circles until it flies right up its own ass. Or perhaps Pogo, "we have met the enemy and he is us".

quote:

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841)

Yup, follow the herd and all you see is assholes.

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
His own propaganda outlet, ‘Truth Social’ has been tearing him a new asshole all day. I don’t watch it, but my wife says there’s about 40,000 negative/critical comments on his latest unhinged rant.

Maybe some of his acolytes are coming to their senses and realizing what a nut case he really is.

What do you say, Jeffeosso? Are you still convinced he’s appointed by God to save America from the Libtards? Or should he be in a padded room all by himself?

The list should be published and let's bring indictments as they fall. Publicly

Your question to me baseless and has supposition that have been repeatedly debunked

I have read today something that I don't have all the pieces of the puzzle on.

First, July 14 is some sort of deadline regarding a pardon for Maxwell.

Her lawyers claim she was granted assurance of not being prosecuted by a plea deal in FL.

Now she says she's ready to disclose.

Seems to me she's making a quid pro quo offer to Trump for pardon.

I'm busy right now and don't have time to tie this all together, and may not have facts right. I just don't have the time right now to corroborate.

But I put it out there so maybe someone can research it.

Here's one clue:

https://www.newsweek.com/pam-b...pstein-files-2098469

And another:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Gvr...?si=f85DXXSbpuiGS1Cq

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Wonder why the prior admin didnt release it?

Also Garland would have been too fuckin chickenshit to prosecute and if trump would have been indicted he would have ended up walking just like he did with the other 3 indictments.