quote:

Originally posted by DuggaBoye:
https://www.climate.gov/media/11332

You know what it didn't have during any of those periods when it was warmer?

Humans.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...5f85272293c3d5&ei=11

Up to 10,000 people feared dead after devastating floods sweep Libya
Story by Patrick Smith •
1h

Do what?

The guy was just relating the chronology and publications of “scientists”, the MSM and alarmist politicians’ predicting as fact immediate climate disasters that are now not believed or now claimed to be totally reversed.
For me, putting a religious-type certainty in the same guys (or their progeny) speaks more to political fervor than reason. There’s the fable of the boy crying wolf for a reason. Destroying the world to “maybe” save it doesn’t seem to weigh the cost/benefit of “maybe” much.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
https://youtu.be/E1e5HAZo4iw?si=2GkdDri7iEcmIXYp


How reliable were theses scientists?

Interesting

You're going to bring the propaganda organ of the bleeding Falun Gong in and expect credibility?

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Do what?

The guy was just relating the chronology and publications of “scientists”, the MSM and alarmist politicians’ predicting as fact immediate climate disasters that are now not believed or now claimed to be totally reversed.
For me, putting a religious-type certainty in the same guys (or their progeny) speaks more to political fervor than reason. There’s the fable of the boy crying wolf for a reason. Destroying the world to “maybe” save it doesn’t seem to weigh the cost/benefit of “maybe” much.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
https://youtu.be/E1e5HAZo4iw?si=2GkdDri7iEcmIXYp


How reliable were theses scientists?

Interesting

You're going to bring the propaganda organ of the bleeding Falun Gong in and expect credibility?

The Epoch Times, who produced that "newscast", is owned by the Falun Gong.

And just who is destroying the world to maybe save it? How does reducing pollution and increasing the use of renewable energy risk "destroying the world"?

The source wasn’t the point or even revenant to the facts that the predictions were embarrassing inaccurate. Nothing yet from a self-righteous John Kerry leads me to go all in on manmade 100% responsibility and Chicken Little responses.

Teaching youth that the sky is falling seems to be the dogma. The progressive faith is an all or nothing agenda. Not good when it’s to the exclusion of real investigative science and is only inductive and a self-perpetuating series of failed predictions .

I agree with sacrificial efforts to stop pollution, energy conservation, etc., but it’s hard to listen to A.O.C. and her minions and not worry why there’s seemingly no rebuke from the left that Pol Pot didn’t work and neither will the absolutist and new Fundamentalist religion of radical mam-made-climate-change.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Do what?

The guy was just relating the chronology and publications of “scientists”, the MSM and alarmist politicians’ predicting as fact immediate climate disasters that are now not believed or now claimed to be totally reversed.
For me, putting a religious-type certainty in the same guys (or their progeny) speaks more to political fervor than reason. There’s the fable of the boy crying wolf for a reason. Destroying the world to “maybe” save it doesn’t seem to weigh the cost/benefit of “maybe” much.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
https://youtu.be/E1e5HAZo4iw?si=2GkdDri7iEcmIXYp


How reliable were theses scientists?

Interesting

You're going to bring the propaganda organ of the bleeding Falun Gong in and expect credibility?

The Epoch Times, who produced that "newscast", is owned by the Falun Gong.

And just who is destroying the world to maybe save it? How does reducing pollution and increasing the use of renewable energy risk "destroying the world"?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...4572445d7d077&ei=109

Florida's Waters Heating Up Rapidly as Global Warming Intensifies
Story by Tyler Connaghan •
4h

As the US experienced intense heat on Monday, the 24th of July, a new boiling mark was hit. A buoy in Florida recorded an astonishing 101.1 degrees Fahrenheit water temperature — the average hot tub temperature ranges between 100 to 102 degrees. This was after the same buoy recorded 100.2 degrees the day before in Manatee Bay.

Now, these readings might look like there was a sensor error; however, neighboring buoys registered similar high temperatures. At Murray Key and Johnson Key, 99.3F and 98.4F were registered consecutively. Another reason the registered water temperatures are being taken seriously is that the researchers have noted the unusually warm water temperature readings. Since early July, these noted records ranged from 92 to 97 degrees.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...4572445d7d077&ei=109

Florida's Waters Heating Up Rapidly as Global Warming Intensifies
Story by Tyler Connaghan •
4h

As the US experienced intense heat on Monday, the 24th of July, a new boiling mark was hit. A buoy in Florida recorded an astonishing 101.1 degrees Fahrenheit water temperature — the average hot tub temperature ranges between 100 to 102 degrees. This was after the same buoy recorded 100.2 degrees the day before in Manatee Bay.

Now, these readings might look like there was a sensor error; however, neighboring buoys registered similar high temperatures. At Murray Key and Johnson Key, 99.3F and 98.4F were registered consecutively. Another reason the registered water temperatures are being taken seriously is that the researchers have noted the unusually warm water temperature readings. Since early July, these noted records ranged from 92 to 97 degrees.

Here's the Manatee Bay buoy data for the last 45 days. Nothing out of the ordinary.
I find it ironic that this near two month old story is published just days after the easily accessible data is out of NOAA's search ability.

A one or two day temperature excursion doesn't make a trend but it does make for a a good Doomer headline.
The story explains the possible causes but these are easily dismissed in favor of the go standard go-to.

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/data/realtime2/MNBF1.ocean

More lying Doomer headlines

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...a6bb06e777397b&ei=16

Summer 2023 was the hottest on record – yes, it's climate change, but don't call it 'the new normal'
Story by Scott Denning, Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University •
2h

I’m not sure how crappy infrastructure (dams failing in a failed state, who would have thought!?!) is a climate issue in and of itself.

Flash flooding is a norm in deserts, and Libya has been a desert for as long as history has been kept.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...5f85272293c3d5&ei=11

Up to 10,000 people feared dead after devastating floods sweep Libya
Story by Patrick Smith •
1h

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
I’m not sure how crappy infrastructure (dams failing in a failed state, who would have thought!?!) is a climate issue in and of itself.

Flash flooding is a norm in deserts, and Libya has been a desert for as long as history has been kept.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...5f85272293c3d5&ei=11

Up to 10,000 people feared dead after devastating floods sweep Libya
Story by Patrick Smith •
1h

I keep forgetting just how stupid and blindered you can be.

The flooding in Libya is not merely an isolated thing, although it is the deadliest storm in Africa since at least 1900. It is the result of what some call a "Medicane", the closest the Mediterranean can come, so far, to producing an actual hurricane.

Link

This one, named "Storm Daniel" by the Greeks, didn't just hit Libya...

Link

Since I know you aren't likely to bother to read those links I pulled a quote for you:

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The catastrophe in Libya is the seventh weather-related disaster to kill at least 500 Africans since 2022; an astonishing 23% of Africa’s 30 deadliest weather-related disasters since 1900 have occurred in the past two years.

Just the weather...

They claim 7 of the 30 most deadly storms in the last 100 years happened in the last 2 years.

Reading closer, most of these storms are neither Mediterranean nor storms- Droughts. Droughts kill more when you have higher population density.

That’s multi factorial.

Were the storms more severe? That wasn’t documented. They killed more people. A 2-3” rainfall storm? That’s what they were stating it was, with 16” at the site of the flood (due to geographic conditions).

Read your own article a bit more objectively. They are claiming the issue is due to “climate change not being in a vacuum” and admit poor infrastructure and government function played into this strongly.

They also claimed in the article that non native grasses causing the fire in Hawaii to be “climate change”.

When everything fits into your theory, it probably is more faith than science.

I’m not stating that the storm is not bad, or that it was not heavy rain.

But to claim 10,000 people died due to climate change is a drastic misuse of science.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
They claim 7 of the 30 most deadly storms in the last 100 years happened in the last 2 years.

Reading closer, most of these storms are neither Mediterranean nor storms- Droughts. Droughts kill more when you have higher population density.

That’s multi factorial.

Were the storms more severe? That wasn’t documented. They killed more people. A 2-3” rainfall storm? That’s what they were stating it was, with 16” at the site of the flood (due to geographic conditions).

Read your own article a bit more objectively. They are claiming the issue is due to “climate change not being in a vacuum” and admit poor infrastructure and government function played into this strongly.

They also claimed in the article that non native grasses causing the fire in Hawaii to be “climate change”.

When everything fits into your theory, it probably is more faith than science.

I’m not stating that the storm is not bad, or that it was not heavy rain.

But to claim 10,000 people died due to climate change is a drastic misuse of science.

You raise an excellent point: IF THERE WERE NO FUCKING PEOPLE THERE NOBODY WOULD BE DYING!

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

You raise an excellent point: IF THERE WERE NO FUCKING PEOPLE THERE NOBODY WOULD BE DYING!

This is absolutely correct!
Congratulations on your grasp of the obvious!

The toll in human life and property is naturally greater as more of the population moves into areas most likely to be affected by weather or climate.
More population on the coasts.
More population in areas of high tornado likelihood.
More population in arid mountainous areas.
More population displaced by war into less hospitable lands.
More population building in historical flood plain areas.

These all make any weather or climactic event more serious and certainly more newsworthy.

Link

quote:

Earth is outside its ‘safe operating space for humanity’ on most key measurements, study says

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...9c66c1c1663576&ei=49

Humans have exceeded six of nine planetary boundaries
Story by Chrissy Sexton •
16h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...9c66c1c1663576&ei=22

A ‘once every 7.5 million years’ event is currently unfolding in Antarctica: ‘To say unprecedented isn’t strong enough’
Story by Laurelle Stelle •
2h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...804600d6fda70a&ei=18

Hot, hotter, hottest: NOAA, NASA say Earth endured the most sizzling summer on record in 2023
Story by Doyle Rice, USA TODAY • 4h


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...804600d6fda70a&ei=29

Louisiana, 9 other states ask federal judge to block changes in National Flood Insurance Program
Story by By KEVIN McGILL, Associated Press • 1h

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...804600d6fda70a&ei=53

When the World Misses Climate Change Targets, This Is What Happens Next
Story by Dave Levitan • 5h

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...944c01d1c286e6&ei=23

Climate change is un-burying graves. It's an expensive, 'traumatic,' confounding problem.
Story by Dinah Voyles Pulver, USA TODAY • 8h

I just got reading a report on Delta, that unless you are pumping water privately, the marshes in Louisiana are bone dry, and Canada is really hot.

Is the 97% science a conspiracy ?

No, just a renewal of the Druids (bizarrely espousing Pol Pot logic leading to salvation); the slightest apostasy resulting in distain, hate and excommunication. The liturgy is mindless conformity, knee-jerk dismissal of any challenge to tenets of the dogma and self righteous belief of superiority to non-members.

Well I can assure you that the marshes in Louisiana are not dry. Are some very small areas dry, yes are other areas very wet, yes.

South Louisiana has had quite a bit of rain in the last 10 days

https://19january2017snapshot....limate-change-la.pdf

What Climate Change Means for Louisiana

https://2050.earth/predictions...ly%20be%20underwater.

NEW ORLEANS UNDERWATER | NEW ATLANTIS
Arthur
18 Aug 2019

The Mississippi River Delta and coastal Louisiana are disappearing quite quickly. Louisiana has lost 2,000 square miles of land since the 1930's, and this is still ongoing. As you are reading this, we are losing land.

https://www.klfy.com/louisiana...-underwater-in-2050/

Interactive map shows which parts of Louisiana could be underwater in 2050

https://www.klfy.com/louisiana...g-new-rating-system/

Louisiana files lawsuit against FEMA due to increased flood insurance rates after implementing new rating system
by: Jasmine Dean

Posted: Jun 1, 2023 / 10:56 PM CDT

Updated: Jun 1, 2023 / 10:56 PM CDT

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...e842e0d5db04ed&ei=31

Climate Change Could Derail Every Other Major Sustainability Goal: Report
Story by Dave Levitan •
19h

In 2015, the United Nations adopted the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, a collection of 17 goals on everything from ending poverty to spreading education and gender equality. Halfway through that 15-year period, a new report from the World Meteorological Organization released on Thursday finds a lack of progress on one of the 17 goals — climate action — is undermining efforts on virtually all of the others.

"Record temperatures are scorching the land and heating the sea, as extreme weather causes havoc around the globe. While we know this is just the beginning, the global response is falling far short," said U.N. secretary-general António Guterres, according to a press release. "Meanwhile, halfway to the 2030 deadline for the Sustainable Development Goals, the world is woefully off-track."

The loss of land in Louisiana has nothing to do with climate change, period.

When I was a biologist at the Center of Wetland Resourses at LSU we studied this in depth. The lack of river sediments along the coast due to the leveeing process along the Mississippi River caused the erosion of coastal Louisiana.

Please don’t add facts. They are inconvenient.

quote:

Originally posted by MLindsay:
The loss of land in Louisiana has nothing to do with climate change, period.

When I was a biologist at the Center of Wetland Resourses at LSU we studied this in depth. The lack of river sediments along the coast due to the leveeing process along the Mississippi River caused the erosion of coastal Louisiana.

Uh Huh, yea.

A few years back I visited Louisiana for a fishing trip, hoping to catch some redfish. We had a guide. I saw the houses on stilts, I saw the gates in the canals to slow the flood tides and wind surges, yet the streets flooded anyway. I saw all the standing dead trees, killed by salt intrusion in the groundwater. I smelled the stench of oil and gas extraction. I saw the mud. I also saw the denial.

That place is doomed.

Also: https://serc.carleton.edu/micr...000%20square%20miles.

The Gulf of Mexico Dead Zone

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/s...and-from-rising-seas

Native communities in Louisiana fight to save their land from rising seas
May 20, 2023 5:30 PM EDT

https://youtu.be/u7dR8UjCxJo?si=tLuEtfR1W4z76ji0

Native communities in Louisiana fight to save their land from rising seas

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by MLindsay:
The loss of land in Louisiana has nothing to do with climate change, period.

When I was a biologist at the Center of Wetland Resourses at LSU we studied this in depth. The lack of river sediments along the coast due to the leveeing process along the Mississippi River caused the erosion of coastal Louisiana.

Uh Huh, yea.

A few years back I visited Louisiana for a fishing trip, hoping to catch some redfish. We had a guide. I saw the houses on stilts, I saw the gates in the canals to slow the flood tides and wind surges, yet the streets flooded anyway. I saw all the standing dead trees, killed by salt intrusion in the groundwater. I smelled the stench of oil and gas extraction. I saw the mud. I also saw the denial.

That place is doomed.

Also: https://serc.carleton.edu/micr...000%20square%20miles.

The Gulf of Mexico Dead Zone

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/s...and-from-rising-seas

Native communities in Louisiana fight to save their land from rising seas
May 20, 2023 5:30 PM EDT

https://youtu.be/u7dR8UjCxJo?si=tLuEtfR1W4z76ji0

Native communities in Louisiana fight to save their land from rising seas

It's my understanding that it's the combination of the loss of siltration and the channelization for oil access that has damaged, probably beyond recovery, those marshes.

Sea-level rise will just make it worse.

My post was not about land. I was about tge marsh that exist being bone dry bc of heat/lack of rain.

I believe Delta on this one.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

It's my understanding that it's the combination of the loss of siltration and the channelization for oil access that has damaged, probably beyond recovery, those marshes.

Sea-level rise will just make it worse.

I think you're correct, except sea-level rise IS making it worse, already.

There are other examples, such as Norfolk Naval Base, and places along the Georgia coast with salt water infiltration in what used-to-be freshwater ponds, and standing ghost forests killed by salty ground water.

Argue w these guys

Dry and Hot across the migration

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...ZGVsdGEgbWlncmF0aW9u

Jeffive, you are correct, as I said the MAJOR cause of marsh loss is the lack of river silt being deposited like it was for thousands of years. Climate change has NOTHING to do with it.

The seafood industry in coastal Louisiana is unbelievable. I enjoy it weekly!. Thank you very much

quote:

Originally posted by MLindsay:
Jeffive, you are correct, as I said the MAJOR cause of marsh loss is the lack of river silt being deposited like it was for thousands of years. Climate change has NOTHING to do with it.

The seafood industry in coastal Louisiana is unbelievable. I enjoy it weekly!. Thank you very much

That was a LOT of soil deposited every year for many thousands of years that is largely not being replaced, then it was chopped up by the canal dredged for oil companies. Where climate change DOES play a role is in sea level rise, forcing salt water into areas that were traditionally brackish.

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The seafood industry in coastal Louisiana is unbelievable. I enjoy it weekly!. Thank you very much

There are numerous articles about Louisiana seafood. Take your pick.

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz#ip=1

I too would be enjoying the seafood caught locally in Louisiana.

Catching crawfish and catfish in Louisiana, sport and commercial, is a big deal too - not just saltwater seafood. There's Cajuns down there fishing trotlines with hundreds of hooks. They must have a market.

https://youtu.be/iPUhZ6bWiCU?si=EGBihPKGYEcnA4R4

Lately, when I go for catfish, I target flathead.

The first fish in this video, after the intro and music, is the bait!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...27sLouisianaOutdoors

Big Louisiana Opelousas Catfish! Trotline fishing for Flathead

There are suggested restrictions on catfish consumption, for example, published by DNR, in some places here in Georgia, but I enjoy my catch anyway. I also try to fish in waters that are least polluted. That's another story, the short of it is I look for short drainage basins, freshwater and on the coast. I even look at Google Earth to study the drainage, looking at municipal and ag. There are a few choice places.

When I go to Alaska I take a small freezer - 5 to 7 cubic ft capacity, and stuff it with vacuum packed seafood. It's pretty easy to keep it frozen all the way to Georgia.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Argue w these guys

Dry and Hot across the migration

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...ZGVsdGEgbWlncmF0aW9u

That's an interesting video.

This is one place I've wanted to visit during the migration. I've been there but not during the migration.

https://youtu.be/s0WSEa44dWI?si=68DIiIZgTqQf2suN
Freezeout Lake 2023 Choteau, MT

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...20a39e7f5114ef2&ei=9

California Sues Oil Giants, Claiming Decades of Deception
Story by David Gelles •
19h

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
All that 100 plus degree Atlantic water off FL can’t be helping the Hurricane problem.

We'll soon have to invent a Cat 6, maybe tomorrow.

I hope it stays offshore.

Now saying it may hit sustained winds over 200 mph tomorrow.

Land fall as a
post tropical depression/system/cyclone/storm--

Some
"Cat 6"

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...20a39e7f5114ef2&ei=9

California Sues Oil Giants, Claiming Decades of Deception
Story by David Gelles •
19h

I feed the complaint into AI for a summary --

weird, no where in it did i see where Cali is going to reject all fossil fuels, lube oils, and plastics from a moment in time forward..

I mean, the whole suit says it's bad.. and since cali now knows better, they should lead the way in the total rejection of the offending substance ....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...2aeedf592fc6c4&ei=35

Editorial: California's lawsuit against Big Oil could help end decades of climate lies
Opinion by The Times Editorial Board • 4h

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/s...n%20climate%20change.

Young activists in Montana win landmark climate change lawsuit against state. Monday, a judge in Montana sided with a group of young environmental activists who argued the state was violating its constitution by promoting fossil fuel development without considering the impact on climate change. Aug 15, 2023

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...364923d703e52&ei=138

Six young people sue 32 European states over climate change
Story by AFP • 6h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...d5a87411ae1311&ei=31

A saltwater wedge climbing the Mississippi River threatens drinking water
Story by Brady Dennis •
4h

so far this hurricane season is a dud, I shouldn't say that, now a Cat 5 will roll over my house.

Look up 2005. I will tell you about coastal Miss. at the Katrina landfall

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...20a39e7f5114ef2&ei=9

California Sues Oil Giants, Claiming Decades of Deception
Story by David Gelles •
19h

I feed the complaint into AI for a summary --

weird, no where in it did i see where Cali is going to reject all fossil fuels, lube oils, and plastics from a moment in time forward..

I mean, the whole suit says it's bad.. and since cali now knows better, they should lead the way in the total rejection of the offending substance ....

quote:

The lawsuit claims that the oil companies created a public nuisance, that they destroyed natural resources, and that they violated false-advertising and product-liability laws.

Of course, they did so by lying and covering up, the official Republican playbook, so it's okay.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...20a39e7f5114ef2&ei=9

California Sues Oil Giants, Claiming Decades of Deception
Story by David Gelles •
19h

Sigh...a grain of truth, but a dollop of nonsense. I idly wonder how much taxes are paid from oil money, and how Newsom plans to replace them.