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Lane criticizes the legal system just because he doesn't like this result. I'm amazed an adult can still think that way. | |||
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I don't really care if he was guilty or not. I think the prosecution was misguided in that it was politically motivated and served only to further divide the country. This will, of course, be denied by the Democrats. There is no win here, though some may see it as such. I'm a little concerned. Regards, Bill | |||
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President Trump has to be the loneliest and transactional person on the Earth. President Trump set there and heard Guilty 34 times without his wife, his children. The only people there were hacks who wanted or thought they had something to gain. | |||
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It is simple, tell me how the Court, the prosecution committed malfeasance in this prosecution under NY law. If you cannot answer that, you need recess. A Trump Administration surrogate was acquitted in NY state court last year. | |||
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Was any of the evidence fabricated for political purposes? Most of it was Trump's own records. Not prosecuting merely because the criminal was running for office would be "politically motivated". Bill Barr ordering the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York not to pursue the case was "politically motivated". The crimes Trump was convicted of were "politically motivated". Had the Stormy Daniels story come out on the heels of the "Access Hollywood" tape even another Russian dump to Wikileaks wouldn't have saved Trump. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Let me get this straight. You don't care whether Trump committed the crimes. He should get off because the prosecution was politically motivated. I see this case differently. I see it as standing for the idea that all people are equal before the law. | |||
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Trumplicans, let’s try this approach. Let’s set aside the arguments that this was a political prosecution or that it was a novel prosecution . . . if, as the jury found, that he committed the crimes he was charged with, are you in favor of giving him a pass? Do you believe that laws should not be enforced? Mike | |||
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" First conviction. I'm guessing he'll get probation." Why? Did Cohen get probation? He did time. Or will trump be once again privileged? | |||
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Remember "Any day now"? And whatever happened to Comer's "any day now" promise? | |||
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It's telling that none of the critics of this verdict can identify any legal errors committed by the judge. An appeals court isn't going to second-guess the jury's fact-finding. Trump will have to show legal errors made by the judge to win an appeal. | |||
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Now that is the real question. The beagle probably has a better mind, memory, character and isn’t a racist claiming busing will send his children to jungle schools. Joe, Trump or the dog…. I’m leaning towards the pup.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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What might get him jail time is the inconvenient fact that his "prior acts" can be considered at sentencing. The Trump University fraud. The Trump Organization fraud. The E. Jean Carroll verdicts. The repeated Contempt of Court for violating the gag order. Doesn't have to be criminal convictions to be considered as factors. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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They don't think election results or jury verdicts they don't agree with should count. Even when the felonies are to win an election. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Eric was there. He so wants Daddy to love him even though he is the Fredo of the crime family. The only family members with any smarts were Melanie and Ivanka . . . they were content to just let the patriarch swing at the end of a rope and watch from a distance. Mike | |||
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I believe the laws should be enforced equally. Clearly the last two Democrats got passes from the DOJ. Obama is the Messiah so he could do no wrong, but before him Slick Willie got a Federal pass on perjury (even though he was disbarred). That doesn’t make Trump any less culpable, but it sure as hell should bother every citizen. That said, is there any question in anyone’s mind that is Trump didn’t run for reelection, we’d not even be having this discussion.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Didn’t Stormy first claim she had sex with Trump in 2011?
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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If he hadn't committed crimes to win in 2016 there wouldn't have been anything to convict him on: not prosecuting would have amounted to giving him a pass on those crimes that illicitly put him in office to begin with. If you gain something by committing a criminal act you never legitimately have it, whether it's a bicycle or a Presidency. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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The whole Venire was challenged.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Let us not forget that Juror #2 said on her juror questionnaire that she got ALL her news from Truth Social. She voted "Guilty" on all 34 counts. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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@Lane In none of statements you posted there are any reasons as to why the trial and verdict were a disgrace. They are all: 'It's a disgrace, because it's bad, and it should have never happened and we don't like it'. None of them tell us why it's bad, or a why it really is a digrace. None of them state: It's a disgrace, marking nda payments as legal fees for tax purposes is legal, see case abc of blabla vs the state, and case xyz of blabla vs such and so. Or: 'See the Supreme Court ruling of....' In my view, Trump's defence knew they had a very weak case, they also know that the legal implications are likely minor. There will be a fine, and that's it. A 'not guilty' verdict would have been nice, but nearly impossible given the evidence. So they, and the Trump campaign team, decided to take the hit, but milk it in every way possible for the campaign, which is what we see happening now. And this might, overall, be a beneficial happening for Trump. | |||
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@BP The trial was litigated over occurrences that similar could likely be ferreted out of any campaign in modern history. The evidence presented was very subjective. The trial was basically over a potential accounting error. There was no great revelation from it. The last paragraph from your post above reveals the trivialness of the litigation. Thus, the disgrace comes from “the why” it was brought and here is the explanation. It was brought solely in an attempt to weaken an opponent. Further, power held by our governance was exploited to yield this blow. Even further, IMO, the judge was extremely prosecutorial friendly. The judge has political experiences that question recusal. In other words it was a political prosecution. In my estimation and those whose opinions I posted…a purely political prosecution by a party in power over opposition constitutes a disgrace. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Really? That is incredible. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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You're babbling. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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It comes down to, if you dont like NY law, move your business out of NY. We have a number of new businesses here that did just that. | |||
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Trumps' history of trying to game system has caught up with him. Nobody's fault but his own. | |||
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The Venire was unsuccessfully challenged as one from which a fair jury could not be selected. The judge decided even though famous (or notorious) and prospective jurors were aware of the press (and prejudices) it didn’t matter.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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As usual Mike, I could give a shit what you think.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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As usual, you're a moron. Let me explain it to you: trump was prosecuted for crimes because he committed crimes. Get it? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Your post is very telling Steve. You admit the trial was over an accounting “discrepancy.” You don’t dispute it was a political prosecution or that the judge was extremely politically biased. Yessir…dig deep into any of those campaigns and you will find ledger discrepancies and other distasteful facts — guaranteed. They are human. They all have flaws. Hence why the trial is supposed to be at the ballot box. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Intentionally cooking the books to cover up your encounters with a whore is not an accounting discrepancy. What I dispute is your objections, you only object to bias when you feel it is against your political views, you fully support bias that aligns with you world view. This is also known as hypocrisy. I feel all judges should do their best to remain objective. Ledger discrepancies happen, humans makes mistakes. Trump engaged in intentionally illegal behavior and then tried to cover it up....and write it off his taxes. That is not a discrepancy, that is fraud. Trump was tried for his criminal acts, he will still be the GOP Nominee and sheep like you can still vote for him. I think both of our posts are very telling Lane  | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Imagine you’re a juror who found Trump innocent. Think you’ll just pick your New York life back up next week? Is there a reason some of us no longer post hunting pics? | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ledvm: Why didn’t the prosecution call Weisselberg.[/color] [/color] Because they were able to prove their case without calling him. The real question should be, why did the defense not call Weisselberg if this was simply an accounting error? Maybe the defense figured Weisselberg was not up for taking another fall for Trump. | |||
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I suspect none of that is correct but even if it is....are you saying that trump's lawyers weren't allowed any peremptory challenges? That takes the judge out of the mix. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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https://youtu.be/FwcjDO6JCVQ?si=1Aa1phGzuEFO8glh Verdict https://youtu.be/bu1KNgpvTtA?si=uEw1xRNkSee4MW8r Leg-Humpers for Trump! ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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You do not know what you are taking about. A preemptive strike is not a strike for cause. Thru are two different things. You want to remove as Many jurors for cause to save the preemptive strikes. If the jury pool was so tainted you move to stoke for cause, if only to create the issue for appeal they as a matter of law A juror x should have been struck for cause. My statement is correct. It cuts the heart out they the jury was legally, overwhelmingly tainted. Mm: I am responding to the response to you. All this nonsense does of a rigged jury does not get play in the courtroom. Hence, one challenge for cause. Why? because there was no good faith legal argument against the jury panning members for cause at large. You know what Trump’s defense team also did not do, they did not obtain jury instructions on lesser included misdemeanors or lesser crimes not charged. That took a lot of the play out of a hung jury because the jury had to misdemeanors to hang up on individually. You know how we know that. I posted the jury instructions word for word. I also read them unlike some here. This is the only juror the Trump defense tried to stroke for cause. Judge Juan Merchan denied the challenge for cause for the potential juror who Trump attorney Susan Necheles says once stayed at her house. | |||
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Different issue. That is the Motion to Change Venue. You have not read the briefs nor order denying to know if the motion was an abuse of discretion as a matter of law. We both know that is not very likely to be overturned on appeal. | |||
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Seems to me that if it was seriously politically motivated that they wouldn't have wasted so much time and money trying a case where a guilty outcome would have essentially zero effect on his political future. It did however help expose what a fraud and cheat that he is. https://finance.yahoo.com/news...cheat-232857712.html Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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There is good news in all of this for Trump. Since he is a convicted felon and cannot possess a firearm he does not have worry about ever being tempted to experience the "horrors show" of hunting. Mike | |||
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