On all counts.

Apparently it as a rigged trial, a rigged jury, a disgrace of a judge, the whole country is rigged ….poor Donald, playing the victim.

Wasn't expecting such a swift verdict and not on all counts. That man doesn't know what shame is.

July 11th for sentencing. Jail time or no jail time?

President Trump has been afforded every due process right that any of us are afforded.

The system is not rigged. This is the rule of law.

Now, President Trump can and shall appeal.

I see some issues that are legitimate to address on appeal.

It is not gay people and African Americans divided our fundamental principles.

It are all of those who parrot President Trump’s claims of rigged elections and rigged justice.

Those are the dividers. Those are who are repugnant.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
July 11th for sentencing. Jail time or no jail time?

The appeals will go on for years. And, I'd guess he wouldn't serve any time anyway even if the conviction is affirmed. First conviction. I'm guessing he'll get probation.

Ha Ha, all 34 is hard to make an excuse for.
But, I'm sure there will be (excuses) when he appeals.

Trump fan? Fuck your feelings.

No jail time.

Permitted bond pending appeal.

Even if upheld, this conviction does not disqualify him from holding the office and being vested w the power of President.

That would team impeachment or 25th Amendment post election.

The evidence must have been slam-dunk for guilt.

I agree. I expect appeals and if the convictions are upheld then at most some probation. I really do not see it having any effect on stuff going forward.

This verdict shall not as a mater of law be overturned based on the jury given credibility to Cohen.

The jury and the jury alone is reserved the duty and power to weigh the credibility of a witness, and what weight to give to a witness testimony.

Sad day for American justice. The 34 count verdict will not be a good thing in the long run. It will be construed by a plurality (or maybe a majority) of citizens as proof of malicious intent, collusion, law fare or whatever they can gin up on the part of Democrats trying to influence the 2024 election.
I’m not saying Trump wasn’t guilty, just that the way the case was brought and the evident biases (judge’s daughter as Demo fund raiser… ad nauseam) the Democrats have over kicked their coverage on this case.
I may be wrong, but I’d imagine the polls next week will be exactly opposite of what self righteous TDS sufferers expect.
If Trump wins, payback will be a MF, and that’s not good. Not good at all.

Our forum Trump supporters must be waiting for Fox News to tell them what to say.

Meanwhile, Fox is probably busy trying to figure out how to spin this verdict.

He is already begging for money to fight this verdict.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Sad day for American justice. The 34 count verdict will not be a good thing in the long run.

Why? All the people who have witness against him were once his allies and confidantes. Some continue to hold him in a positive light. There is a preponderance of documentary evidence to corroborate oral evidence. Why would anyone term this verdict as politically motivated? Why would some people not even consider the prospect that Trump could have committed these offences?

Because he believes the narrative that Trump is being prosecuted as a proxy for every conservative out there.

That he buys Trump’s lies that the system is rigged.

No, this is the system. It is our fundamental principle that if you break the law, you shall be held to account from a jury of your peers. The result is secondary to the process given.

Now, Trump may receive appellate review on issues of law.

Such issues shall be the admissions of hearsay for purposes other than truth of the matter asserted, and testimony under rule 404 to other conduct.

The Cohen argument maybe advanced, but as I have stated is dead on arrival.

Are you sure that’s right in N.Y. ? If the trial judge should have granted a J.N.O.V, but didn’t???

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
This verdict shall not as a mater of law be overturned based on the jury given credibility to Cohen.

The jury and the jury alone is reserved the duty and power to weigh the credibility of a witness, and what weight to give to a witness testimony.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Sad day for American justice. The 34 count verdict will not be a good thing in the long run. It will be construed by a plurality (or maybe a majority) of citizens as proof of malicious intent, collusion, law fare or whatever they can gin up on the part of Democrats trying to influence the 2024 election.
I’m not saying Trump wasn’t guilty, just that the way the case was brought and the evident biases (judge’s daughter as Demo fund raiser… ad nauseam) the Democrats have over kicked their coverage on this case.
I may be wrong, but I’d imagine the polls next week will be exactly opposite of what self righteous TDS sufferers expect.
If Trump wins, payback will be a MF, and that’s not good. Not good at all.

A day to celebrate American justice. Nobody is above the law.

And, I am sure you are right. All of you knuckleheads who support trump will view a felony conviction for fraud as a badge of honor for trump to wear on his lapel. Everybody has always known he's a fraud, a liar and a cheat. Now, he's been convicted of it in a court of law by 12 good citizens, per the Constitution.

Yes, I am sure. Go watch President Trump’s lawyer tuck his tail in this issue.

It is in the jury instructions. That portion is basic, and universal.

The Judge was clear about that when they moved for Verdict not withstanding.

The jury and jury alone gets to assign weight and credibility of any witnesses and any piece of evidence, while and in part.

That is clear in the instructions. It mirrors my jurisdiction.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Are you sure that’s right in N.Y. ? If the trial judge should have granted a J.N.O.V, but didn’t???

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
This verdict shall not as a mater of law be overturned based on the jury given credibility to Cohen.

The jury and the jury alone is reserved the duty and power to weigh the credibility of a witness, and what weight to give to a witness testimony.

The judge would have to find that no reasonable jury could believe Cohen. At least, that was the law in Alaska when I practiced there. Been retired ten years, but I doubt the law has changed.

The matter will require evidence on the whole no reasonable jury could do find x crime happened.

This will not be overturned on a fact appeal. The appeal will have to anchor in an error of law.

I do not believe you have to believe Cohen to make this verdict. It certainly helps.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Are you sure that’s right in N.Y. ? If the trial judge should have granted a J.N.O.V, but didn’t???

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
This verdict shall not as a mater of law be overturned based on the jury given credibility to Cohen.

The jury and the jury alone is reserved the duty and power to weigh the credibility of a witness, and what weight to give to a witness testimony.

Dream on about the denial of the directed verdict/JNOV being a successful basis for appeal. There was plenty of evidence introduced that supported the decision to let a jury decide.

Again...were you really a judge? Or, even a lawyer?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
No jail time.

Permitted bond pending appeal.

Even if upheld, this conviction does not disqualify him from holding the office and being vested w the power of President.

That would team impeachment or 25th Amendment post election.

I would have thought a felony conviction would be a disqualification for the Presidency. Guess not.

Nope.

The Constitution sets the requirements.
There is no disqualification for being a convicted felon in the Constitution.

Now, this has never happened before. The Fed Supreme Court could tell me I am wrong. I do not believe for one second a majority of this Court would read on the qualification to not be a convicted felon that is not present in the Constitution.

I would not do it, but who am I.

These are state charges too. A president cannot pardon him. Only a NY Governor can pardon him.

In theory, if you are in jail, you should get impeached or 25th Amendment because of the shame or disability of being incarcerated.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
No jail time.

Permitted bond pending appeal.

Even if upheld, this conviction does not disqualify him from holding the office and being vested w the power of President.

That would team impeachment or 25th Amendment post election.

I would have thought a felony conviction would be a disqualification for the Presidency. Guess not.

It never occurred to the Founding Fathers that there would a constituency stupid enough to vote for a convicted felon.

They have a tools to address it.

Impeachment or the 25th Amendment.

That is the answer. Assuming Trump wins this election.

Here is an idea. A Party is not required to let anyone run for election under their banner.

I have given those S. Ct., cases before.

Can the GOP pass a rule that says no one convicted of a felony may be eligible for the nomination for president by the GOP?

The only thing that gives me concern is that rule would be implemented post securing the nomination. I would have no concern if the rule was in place prior.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Our forum Trump supporters must be waiting for Fox News to tell them what to say.

Nope, just letting the Lefties on the forum have their circle jerk.

Tell us how the trial was rigged?

Tell us what in the jury instructions or the Judge’s rulings are incorrect as a matter of law?

More importantly, tell us how?

I haven't followed the trial, so I'll show my ignorance.

I can't see how/why paying someone for a non-disclosure agreement is illegal, people/corporations do it all the time. It's my understanding it was coded as legal fees, which sounds like that's exactly what anyone would code it as.

Is the issue that the non-disclosure was paid using campaign funds?

I keep hearing he was trying to sway the election by paying for a non-disclosure agreement. How is it any different than having a team of people trying to clean/polish your reputation, like virtually every politician has?

Heck, Biden's team has asked for minimized footage of him walking to Marine 1 and adding additional people around him to help hide his "old man's gait" from public view. Sounds like that's also a way to sway people from learning reality.

I’m not buying any narrative. Fani Willis got a huge majority in Fulton County, Georgia as a protest against of calls for her accountability.
Citizens broke down barriers Jan6 because they believed an election was compromised. Ask Adam Schiff and DJT about why they were distrustful. Oregon counties have voted to join Idaho. Harvard students are openly antisemitic and academics support them. Folks on this forum (Right and Left) call each other names (and make assumptions of motives without any basis except THEIR own politics).

Politicians claim that by cutting off your dick you become a non-menstruating woman and if you don’t believe minors should be allowed to so act, you’re a hateful bigot .
And you want me to be following a narrative?
The public has little faith in the judicial system when the same folks who hate Jews, let the Statute of Limitations run on the core crimes, found a way to turn a few petty misdemeanors into 34 felonies, got the DOJ to lend them a prosecutor, had a judge whose family has made millions from Trump Hate and The Left demands we so believe or be flyover minions. No, not just believe in butchering children but we should not fear Beria-like prosecutions. America is, I fear, not as stupid as the self righteous left believes it is.

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Our forum Trump supporters must be waiting for Fox News to tell them what to say.

Nope, just letting the Lefties on the forum have their circle jerk.

Yeah, it's a bone in your throat, isn't it?

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
I’m not buying any narrative. Fani Willis got a huge majority in Fulton County, Georgia as a protest against of calls for her accountability.
Citizens broke down barriers Jan6 because they believed an election was compromised. Ask Adam Schiff and DJT about why they were distrustful. Oregon counties have voted to join Idaho. Harvard students are openly antisemitic and academics support them. Folks on this forum (Right and Left) call each other names (and make assumptions of motives without any basis except THEIR own politics).

Politicians claim that by cutting off your dick you become a non-menstruating woman and if you don’t believe minors should be allowed to so act, you’re a hateful bigot .
And you want me to be following a narrative?
The public has little faith in the judicial system when the same folks who hate Jews, let the Statute of Limitations run on any crime, found a way to turn a few petty misdemeanors into 34 felonies, got the DOJ to lend the a prosecutor, had a judge whose family has made millions from Trump Hate and then believes that the public should believe all that’s good, from butchering children to a Beria-like prosecution. America is, I fear, not as supid as the self righteous left believes it is.

Wow. You're nuts.

Two issues w the payments.

He committed fraud in the payment. He tried to pass it off for tax purposes as a legal fee.

That is a crime. Everyone agrees he did that. Some say to that, “ No big deal.”

That fraudulent disclosure, crime was done to violate NY election law and for another unlawful purpose.

The second arm is that he did the above for some other unlawful means. The Prosecution presented 3 unlawful means being to violate tax laws, or Fed Campaign finance law, or making a false statement.

If he has just paid the nda as paying an nda and reported it as such. He would not be convicted.

However, he knew he had to hide the payment to keep it from being reported during the election.

Hence, he fraudulently claimed it was legal fees.

Do not lie. Do not try to cover up bad behavior.

Yeah, Trump's lawyers were absolutely helpless during voir dire, drugged by Democrats so they would agree to jurors as they knew it was all rigged, even if Donald really did screw Stormy and pay her off.
It's a case of a saintly American idol being crucified once again by rigged Dem lies masquerading as being judged by a jury and there is no shred of truth in any of it.
I believe Matt Gaetz is a truly good and decent man, and that Marjorie Taylor Greene is one of the intellects of our time.

Congrats are legal. Contracts that go to an illegality are not legal.

I can now proudly say that if I vote this Fall, I will be voting for a candidate that is not a convicted felon . . . as well as a reprehensible excuse for a human being.

Well, we know who WON'T be voting for Trump in November.

Trump.

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Yeah, Trump's lawyers were absolutely helpless during voir dire, drugged by Democrats so they would agree to jurors as they knew it was all rigged, even if Donald really did screw Stormy and pay her off.
It's a case of a saintly American idol being crucified once again by rigged Dem lies masquerading as being judged by a jury and there is no shred of truth in any of it.
I believe Matt Gaetz is a truly good and decent man, and that Marjorie Taylor Greene is one of the intellects of our time.

And you managed to type all that with a relatively straight face!