Killed a couple of people at the embassy, & they knew about him.

Officials have said the suspect was not on any security watch lists and there were no heightened security threats before the shooting. The firearm believed to be used in the killings was retrieved as well, officials said.

The FBI deputy director, Dan Bongino, said the suspect was interviewed by authorities within hours of being taken into custody. Officials were aware of “certain writings” possibly authored by the suspect that have been circulated online, he wrote in a post on X, adding: “We hope to have updates as to the authenticity very soon.”

I guess they were too busy deporting those 2 year olds with cancer to focus on this guy.

The indisputable facts of this incident are terrible enough without speculations.

Today, when visiting my brother in a nursing home, my sister was there too and had C-span on with their report of the incident from various perspectives. I couldn't hear what was being said on TV, only the pictures.

She commented that C-span is less controversial than Fox, a nod to me and previous conversations. And then she said that she was "pleasantly surprised" that the liberal politicians were speaking out against the killings.

That pissed me off. I said "what do you expect from liberals?"

I don't remember her response, but it spiraled from there. I won't bother you with details.

IMO, she is a true representative of the Christian Far Right. I'm appalled that she would think liberals would justify this incident.

What's wrong with these people?

quote:

Killed a couple of people at the embassy, & they knew about him.

If I am not mistaken the shooting did NOT take place at the Embassy.

quote:

Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

Killed a couple of people at the embassy, & they knew about him.

If I am not mistaken the shooting did NOT take place at the Embassy.

What difference does it make!

Innocent people are being killed for crimes committed by others.

The normal human behavior!

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

Killed a couple of people at the embassy, & they knew about him.

If I am not mistaken the shooting did NOT take place at the Embassy.

What difference does it make!

Innocent people are being killed for crimes committed by others.

The normal human behavior!

They were shot while leaving the Capital Jewish Museum which is open to the general public.

It is highly doubtful the shooter could have done what he did at the Embassy.

That is the difference.

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f. I said "what do you expect from liberals?"

Crazy lunatic hysterical hate. Right wrong or indifferent that’s the corner liberals have painted themselves into,

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painted themselves

???

That's what pissed me off about my sister's comment
"pleasantly surprised".

My question was rhetorical in that she reveled her preconception, and surprised when shown evidence outside the Fox bubble.

So, who's doing the painting?

This is how the bulk of the country views liberals. Violent hateful anti American rabble rousers. This is the face of the Democratic Party. The party has been usurped by the very loud minority fringe, with all their purity tests cancel culture constant protests that often turn destructive. You’ve got Gays for Palestine movements for Christ’s sake. Make that make sense. Libs were bummed that Trump wasn’t killed. Yes it’s painting with broad strokes but you’ve experienced first hand how the country views libs. Saying it’s wrong or inaccurate doesn’t change the perception. Until Dems re embrace America and Americans that how it will go.

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:
Killed a couple of people at the embassy, & they knew about him.

Officials have said the suspect was not on any security watch lists and there were no heightened security threats before the shooting. The firearm believed to be used in the killings was retrieved as well, officials said.

The FBI deputy director, Dan Bongino, said the suspect was interviewed by authorities within hours of being taken into custody. Officials were aware of “certain writings” possibly authored by the suspect that have been circulated online, he wrote in a post on X, adding: “We hope to have updates as to the authenticity very soon.”

I guess they were too busy deporting those 2 year olds with cancer to focus on this guy.

Well, I'm not worried as long as Dan Bongino is on the job. What a joke.

quote:

Originally posted by tomahawker:
This is how the bulk of the country views liberals. Violent hateful anti American rabble rousers. This is the face of the Democratic Party. The party has been usurped by the very loud minority fringe, with all their purity tests cancel culture constant protests that often turn destructive. You’ve got Gays for Palestine movements for Christ’s sake. Make that make sense. Libs were bummed that Trump wasn’t killed. Yes it’s painting with broad strokes but you’ve experienced first hand how the country views libs. Saying it’s wrong or inaccurate doesn’t change the perception. Until Dems re embrace America and Americans that how it will go.

"Saying it’s wrong or inaccurate doesn’t change the perception."

The perception doesn't change just because it's wrong and inaccurate. The republican party has been taken over by a far right radicalized bunch who used to be the fringe and got louder over the years with their lies and hate rhetoric. It was always like a thunderstorm on the horizon. But the front is moving through now.

It's an odd thing to me to be informed of all the stuff you mentioned above, stated as factual. I thought I was being diligent at being informed. I figure that I missed all that because I avoid Fox News.

In particular, I didn't know anything about "Gays for Palestine". Seems like something to hang all liberals for, if you think like a Trumpster.

https://www.google.com/search?...yAcF&sclient=gws-wiz

Also, I didn't know "Libs were bummed that Trump wasn’t killed". ETC.

I was aware that Libs were bummed about the assignation attempt for two reasons. First because it was criminal and sick, second because it got Trump votes and was used by Fox.

The ETC. part is just more radicalized hype.

The point is that in my core opinion of opinions, that shit isn't representative of liberals. It's a made up narrative to justify radicalization. How can liberals correct made up and projected shit about them, when lies count more that truth?

Let's just presume that Trumpism goes the way it's trajectory indicates, and presume it's presented as a remedy to radical left, and other terms and accusations straight from Trump's mouth and head and his propaganda machine - Fox. IOW, this is gonna get worse before better.

There's gonna be massive protests. Like they have in Serbia now. https://youtu.be/8Wk6CRtUUTE?si=bJdaYytOFMr8xY0I

The stage is set and primed by Trump's rhetoric and lies for a massive showdown. He WILL call out the military to quell. Lots of people will die before it's over.

It's like the slow creep of radicalization, boiling, then suddenly it reaches the right temp and boils over.

And it's clear which side you will be on.

quote:

Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

Killed a couple of people at the embassy, & they knew about him.

If I am not mistaken the shooting did NOT take place at the Embassy.

What difference does it make!

Innocent people are being killed for crimes committed by others.

The normal human behavior!

They were shot while leaving the Capital Jewish Museum which is open to the general public.

It is highly doubtful the shooter could have done what he did at the Embassy.

That is the difference.

Not the point. Why wasn't this guy, who they were aware of even on their watch list? Seems more important than deporting off legal foreign students or small children

Do you even understand that you are talking about two different depts. wymple?
Do you go to the barber and tell him to change your brake pads too?
On the topic itself. We have gone around and around on people having been interviewed, on a watch list and so on.
It comes back to individual rights. If they have not broke the law, what can be done? Not enough LEO's to put one tailing every nut posting in cyber world.

Don’t shoot the messenger. My friend, that is how folks think of the Democratic Party.

quote:

Originally posted by tomahawker:
Don’t shoot the messenger. My friend, that is how folks think of the Democratic Party.

There's some truth here.

I think the movement was, Queers for Palestine.
Yes, that still seems like a strange one.

Antisemitism is rather confusing to me now. 85 years ago, it was right wing nazis who were targeting jews for extermination. That was wrong and I think everyone can agree with that. But maybe not?

Now, it is the left that supports people who want to exterminate or persecute jews. Look at Harvard University. Look at the Democrats supporting protesters against Jews and Israel. These aren't peaceful protesters obviously as borne out by recent events.

Hilarious actually. The people they are supp0rting would regard their persuasion as a perversion and kill them for it.

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Antisemitism is rather confusing to me now. 85 years ago, it was right wing nazis who were targeting jews for extermination. That was wrong and I think everyone can agree with that. But maybe not?

Now, it is the left that supports people who want to exterminate or persecute jews. Look at Harvard University. Look at the Democrats supporting protesters against Jews and Israel. These aren't peaceful protesters obviously as borne out by recent events.

Why is it when expresses a negative view of the Zionists occupying Palestine he is branded antisemite?

The Zionist are doing to the Palestinians EXACTLY what the Nazis did to the Jews!

Get out or be killed!

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Antisemitism is rather confusing to me now. 85 years ago, it was right wing nazis who were targeting jews for extermination. That was wrong and I think everyone can agree with that. But maybe not?

Now, it is the left that supports people who want to exterminate or persecute jews. Look at Harvard University. Look at the Democrats supporting protesters against Jews and Israel. These aren't peaceful protesters obviously as borne out by recent events.

Why is it when expresses a negative view of the Zionists occupying Palestine he is branded antisemite?

The Zionist are doing to the Palestinians EXACTLY what the Nazis did to the Jews!

Get out or be killed!

Are you talking about the people that elected HAMAS to power?

quote:

Originally posted by tomahawker:
This is how the bulk of the country views liberals. Violent hateful anti American rabble rousers. This is the face of the Democratic Party. The party has been usurped by the very loud minority fringe, with all their purity tests cancel culture constant protests that often turn destructive. You’ve got Gays for Palestine movements for Christ’s sake. Make that make sense. Libs were bummed that Trump wasn’t killed. Yes it’s painting with broad strokes but you’ve experienced first hand how the country views libs. Saying it’s wrong or inaccurate doesn’t change the perception. Until Dems re embrace America and Americans that how it will go.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by tomahawker:
Don’t shoot the messenger. My friend, that is how folks think of the Democratic Party.

There's some truth here.

Okay, I took another look and agree - don't shoot the messenger and there is SOME truth there.

The way the post is worded goes beyond "how the bulk of the country views liberals". The word "bulk" is an opinion. Then the rest of the post is worded so that the "messenger" is not speaking for the Bulk, but for himself, his views.

I don't believe the "bulk" shares that opinion of liberals, mostly because liberals themselves don't think of the party that way. Tomahawker is looking from the outside in and skewed it. Yes, the party harbors people fitting his descriptions, but they are fringe. Republicans have fringe too, some of which are RINOs.

The last sentence really caps the personal opinion aspect of the post: "Until Dems re embrace America and Americans that how it will go."

Dems ARE American, and embrace America. Saying otherwise is a product of believing too much propaganda.

Regarding his points:

Gays for Palestine is a fringe.

AOC and Bernie, etc. are loud but their influence is not dominate, unlike the loud, lying and malevolent bunch on the Right who want to use the far left influencers as boogie.

I think saying Libs were bummed because the assassination attempt was not successful is really bad skew. No respectable liberal would wish that and especially wouldn't say it. For one thing, the last thing Liberals would want is for Trump to become a victim not of his own making. They don't want him to become a martyr. And they don't want Vance to be POTUS.

However, if Trump somehow farted himself, resulting in transition from Dear Leader to Dearly Defarted, IMO most Liberals would happily call him the Farter Martyr or the Founding Farter of Trumpism.

And Tomaknocker also missed a point. IMO, many if not most RIMOs think most Libs are stoking welfare and other social safety net stuff, not working, while driving a Cadillac.

quote:

Originally posted by tomahawker:
This is how the bulk of the country views liberals. Violent hateful anti American rabble rousers. This is the face of the Democratic Party. The party has been usurped by the very loud minority fringe, with all their purity tests cancel culture constant protests that often turn destructive. You’ve got Gays for Palestine movements for Christ’s sake. Make that make sense. Libs were bummed that Trump wasn’t killed. Yes it’s painting with broad strokes but you’ve experienced first hand how the country views libs. Saying it’s wrong or inaccurate doesn’t change the perception. Until Dems re embrace America and Americans that how it will go.

After reading that post and previously critiquing it, now when I read news articles they remind me of the messages in that post and the comment "There's some truth here".

There is some truth in that post but to see it one has to analyze it, give it context and perspective.

The post was a response to my angst over my sister's political and worldview opinions especially about Liberals.

Here's where the truth is lurking: Note key words are highlighted in bold .

"Yes it’s painting with broad strokes but you’ve experienced first hand how the country views libs."

And, "This is how the bulk of the country views liberals".

And, " Until Dems re embrace America and Americans that how it will go".

======================================================

Tomahawker made the Trumpism's "us vs them" narrative. But he takes it further. He's not including Liberals in the category of Americans.

"Saying it’s wrong or inaccurate doesn’t change the perception."

He's saying that the fight is between "us" Americans vs "them" the unamerican, and until they see things our way, or give up, the fight will continue.

======================================================

Okay, here's the article, one of several, that reminds me of tomahawker's post and gets to the "truth" in it:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-m...forcement-rcna208834

May 23, 2025

Why are Republicans refusing to budge on the Jan. 6 plaque honoring law enforcement?
A plaque to recognize the officers who protected the Capitol on Jan. 6 was supposed to be installed by March 2023. Why is it gathering dust in a closet?

Excerpt:

After the Jan. 6 attack, lawmakers agreed to install a permanent plaque to honor the law enforcement personnel who helped protect the U.S. Capitol against right-wing rioters. By statute, the plaque would list the names of the officers who served; it would be placed on the western side of the building; and it would be in place by March 2023.

As The Washington Post reported, the plaque is done, and it’s ready to be installed, but it’s currently “sitting in a Capitol basement utility room surrounded by tools and maintenance equipment.”

Last week, House and Senate Democrats used the backdrop of National Police Week to highlight their ongoing efforts to have the legislation implemented. They say the only thing keeping the plaque from public view is that House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) and Republican members have not yet instructed the Architect of the Capitol to install it.

The Post’s report added that Architect of the Capitol Thomas Austin confirmed during a congressional hearing last month that his office needs approval from the House speaker’s office — that and Johnson still hasn’t given his approval.

As is usually the case when the political discussion turns to the Jan. 6 assault, a variety of Democrats have been quick to draw attention to this, while Republican officials have denied comment.

There’s no great mystery here. GOP officials could follow the law and honor the officers who protected democracy and our country’s principal seat of government, but in Republican politics, the story of what transpired on Jan. 6 has been turned on its head.

The heroes, according to the party’s preferred narrative, were the rioters.

In the only 2024 debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, the Republican was asked whether he had any regrets about the Jan. 6 attack. It was a good question, which he struggled answer.

“Ashli Babbitt was shot by an out-of-control police officer that should have never, ever shot her,” Trump said, adding, “Nobody on the other side was killed.”

This was wrong and offensive for a variety of reasons — Trump’s condemnation of the officer was absurd — but of particular interest was his description of law enforcement as “the other side.”

In other words, for the incumbent president, there’s an “us” and a “them.” The rioters who attacked the Capitol in Trump’s name are part of the former, while the police are part of the latter. It’s a perspective rooted in the idea that there are tribal political teams, and as far as Trump’s concerned, the officers who served on Jan. 6 were the opposition.

Congressional Republicans know this, which helps to explain why the plaque that should’ve been installed months ago is gathering dust in a closet.

==========================================================

So, therein is the truth. And that's why my sister's comments pissed me off.

This crap is deep doo-doo. The narrative is so deeply imbedded now that it's spoken and believed as truth. It's blame-shifting and justifications and all the loathing of "them" so much so that Trumpsters firmly believe that's okay.

The indoctrination and propaganda are working as intended.

One of the prime ploys of authoritarianism (fascism is easier to spell) is the us vs them thing.

We're there already folks, and the Liberals aren't to blame.

I am surprised by the number of Dems ( and I mean dems, as they call themselves, not liberals) who did not vote for president. They said they voted down ballot, but not president. They said the party has left them, and they have no-one to vote for. They feel the party cares more about hollywood and star power than regular people.
These are just people in my circle I talk to, but I expect it is the same many places.

That is what the polls say:

Kamala Harris won 74,999,166 votes or 48.3 percent of the votes cast. That was 6,285,500 fewer popular votes than Biden won in 2020, but 774,847 more than Trump won in 2020.

More than 155 million Americans voted in 2024: 156,302,318 to be exact. That’s the second largest total voter turnout in U.S. history in absolute terms. It is also just the second time that more than 140 million people voted in a presidential election.

This is a good read:

https://catalist.us/whathappened2024/

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The indisputable facts of this incident are terrible enough without speculations.

Today, when visiting my brother in a nursing home, my sister was there too and had C-span on with their report of the incident from various perspectives. I couldn't hear what was being said on TV, only the pictures.

She commented that C-span is less controversial than Fox, a nod to me and previous conversations. And then she said that she was "pleasantly surprised" that the liberal politicians were speaking out against the killings.

That pissed me off. I said "what do you expect from liberals?"

I don't remember her response, but it spiraled from there. I won't bother you with details.

IMO, she is a true representative of the Christian Far Right. I'm appalled that she would think liberals would justify this incident.

What's wrong with these people?

Perhaps because the hard left approves of violence as a means of protest? They said as much during the violence against Musk owned properties. and Tesla owners.

Example.

https://www.dailysignal.com/20...ustified-poll-finds/

Some nut-jobs read stuff like this and think their acts are justified. Not unlike the jokes about Trumps assassination attempt failures.

quote:

Perhaps because the hard left approves of violence as a means of protest? They said as much during the violence against Musk owned properties. and Tesla owners.

January 6th? Ring any bells?

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Perhaps because the hard left approves of violence as a means of protest? They said as much during the violence against Musk owned properties. and Tesla owners.

January 6th? Ring any bells?

You're right. I'm wrong. The attached article mens nothing. Democrats are always justified in their ways.

But J6 wasn't the question, but just like a well trained Parrot...

Steve, I did a search and here's the result:

https://www.google.com/search?...yAcs&sclient=gws-wiz

Apparently it's a thing.

I can't judge the significance.

But one quick thing from scanning the articles - one author noted the left tends to target property while the right tends to target people and property.

Still, your focused on some wrong-minded BS as justifications for the deep doo-doo I explained above.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Steve, I did a search and here's the result:

https://www.google.com/search?...yAcs&sclient=gws-wiz

Apparently it's a thing.

I can't judge the significance.

But one quick thing from scanning the articles - one author noted the left tends to target property while the right tends to target people and property.

Still, your focused on some wrong-minded BS as justifications for the deep doo-doo I explained above.

It wasn't me that threw a J6 in as justification for the violence. It was your boy Wimple.

I was using it to answer your question you asked about your sisters reaction.

The guy that tried fire bombed the US Embassy in Tel Aviv is a devout Trump hater. Will the left, MSM report it? It will be interesting to see.

As I've stated NUMEROUS times. I don't want to have political fights with my America Brothers, or my Canadian neighbors. But many Canadians in here, shouted me down and demand a fight. I won't do it. We are divided enough.

It's why I don't wander down here much any more. I want a cohesive America. As Americans, we have far more in common, than that which divides us.

But...the fighting and petty bickering won't stop. All I can do id NOT participate and go fishing. I'm at my Havasu home and the flathead bite is on.

I stuck a 47 last night.

Check out this Google search.

https://www.google.com/search?...as&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

"Perhaps because the hard left approves of violence as a means of protest?"

All I did was respond to your insanely stupid statement. As if you think the right isn't worse, because they are.

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:
"Perhaps because the hard left approves of violence as a means of protest?"

All I did was respond to your insanely stupid statement. As if you think the right isn't worse, because they are.

Perhaps you need to open ME's google search?

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
I'm at my Havasu home and the flathead bite is on.

I stuck a 47 last night.

Do you mean that you caught a 47 pound flathead catfish last night?

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
I'm at my Havasu home and the flathead bite is on.

I stuck a 47 last night.

Do you mean that you caught a 47 pound flathead catfish last night?

Yes. But amongst us Arizona rednecks, the accepted vernacular is “I stuck a 47”

Or if you miss a bite, “I juniored a run”

Have you seen the redeared sunfish we’re catching out here? 6 lbs.

Here

https://ftw.usatoday.com/story...rd-size/81480273007/

That's the kind of article that I like.

It informs, what is, and why.

I'm curious how you caught that 47?
Bait, rig, bank, boat, etc.

Do you eat one that big?

The flathead was introduced hereabouts many years ago and was initially considered invasive.

But it's here to stay. I've not caught one bigger than about 20 lbs. Maybe 28 if I remember right. They say there's really big ones in the Altamaha river. I plan to go there when the weather cools.

They have reduced the bream population, but that's the best bait to catch them on.

Tomorrow I'm going camping at a state park near here. Weeks ago I reserved a waterfront site. I was going to launch the boat and bring it around to the campsite, but the forecast is thunder storms, so instead I'm just going to fish from the bank for the first night and see how it goes, and relax.

My target is channel catfish this time. Maybe I'll get some live bait and target flatheads later.

I'm trying a new fangled setup so I don't want to lose the gear to a monster.

Be my luck that I'll catch a fish and not paying close enough attention have an alligator drag the whole thing off.

I caught it on a Carolina rig. 6 oz. egg sinker, 18" leader of 80# mono. 10/0 Mustard circle hook. Bait was a live, green sunfish about 5" long.

Rig is a custom 7' catfish rod with a Shimano bait runner 8000D reel, spooled with 100# Power-Pro, moss green.

I fish from a Perception, Outlaw Kayak. I have a hummingbird fish finder/ graph. I caught this one suspended in about 18 feet of water. There was lots of fish moment is why I suspended. I usually kayak to a spot and sit on the bank.

I was home having a late dinner by 9PM. I let most of them go, as I did this one. If I hook one deep, which is really odd using circle hooks, I'll keep it for the pot.

Probably could have caught more, but I was pretty excited and decided to go home and have dinner. It takes me about 15 minutes to get home, after the Kayak is back in my truck.

Good luck on your trip.

Wow, thanks for the info. I used to catch halibut in Alaska with a similar heavy rig. 80 to 180 # fish common. I started with Penn reels and graduated to my favorite, an Avet single speed lever drag conventional reel medium size 80 lb braid. Similar - https://www.tackledirect.com/a...ls.html#&gid=1&pid=5

Sometimes now I use the small size Avet single speed lever drag for catfish, but IMO it's overkill but fun anyway.

I don't have a fishfinder that shows suspended fish.

When I start fishing salt water again I'll use the Avets when appropriate, like bottom fishing.

I don't do much catch and release. If I catch a big channel cat full of eggs, I'll release her. But I prefer the small or medium size fish for eating. I know people who are glad to take the bigger fish, especially if I clean them.

Probably the water in your lake is cleaner than around here. It's the accumulated toxins in the older bigger fish that I figure I avoid by keeping for myself the smaller fish.

About this time of year is when the channel cats spawn so the fishing may not be good now.

quote:

Originally posted by JTEX:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Antisemitism is rather confusing to me now. 85 years ago, it was right wing nazis who were targeting jews for extermination. That was wrong and I think everyone can agree with that. But maybe not?

Now, it is the left that supports people who want to exterminate or persecute jews. Look at Harvard University. Look at the Democrats supporting protesters against Jews and Israel. These aren't peaceful protesters obviously as borne out by recent events.

Why is it when expresses a negative view of the Zionists occupying Palestine he is branded antisemite?

The Zionist are doing to the Palestinians EXACTLY what the Nazis did to the Jews!

Get out or be killed!

Are you talking about the people that elected HAMAS to power?

Balfour Declaration, statement of British support for “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.” It was made in a letter dated November 2, 1917, from Arthur James Balfour, the British foreign secretary, to Lionel Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild (of Tring), a leader of the Anglo-Jewish community. Though the precise meaning of the correspondence has been disputed, its statements were generally contradictory to both the Sykes-Picot Agreement (a secret convention between Britain and France) and the Hussein-McMahon correspondence (an exchange of letters between the British high commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, and Hussein ibn Ali, then emir of Mecca), which in turn contradicted one another (see Palestine, World War I and after).

Background
The Balfour Declaration, issued through the continued efforts of Chaim Weizmann and Nahum Sokolow, Zionist leaders in London, fell short of the expectations of the Zionists, who had asked for the reconstitution of Palestine as “the” Jewish national home. The declaration specifically stipulated that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.” The document, however, said nothing of the political or national rights of these communities and did not refer to them by name. Nevertheless, the declaration aroused enthusiastic hopes among Zionists and seemed the fulfillment of the aims of the World Zionist Organization (see Zionism).


The British government hoped that the declaration would rally Jewish opinion, especially in the United States, to the side of the Allied powers against the Central Powers during World War I (1914–18). They hoped also that the settlement in Palestine of a pro-British Jewish population might help to protect the approaches to the Suez Canal in neighboring Egypt and thus ensure a vital communication route to British colonial possessions in India.


Aftermath

The Balfour Declaration was endorsed by the principal Allied powers and was included in the British mandate over Palestine, formally approved by the newly created League of Nations on July 24, 1922. In May 1939 the British government altered its policy in a White Paper recommending a limit of 75,000 further immigrants and an end to immigration by 1944, unless the resident Palestinian Arabs of the region consented to further immigration. Zionists condemned the new policy, accusing Britain of favoring the Arabs. This point was made moot by the outbreak of World War II (1939–45) and the founding of the State of Israel in 1948.


The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
This article was most recently revised and updated by Adam Zeidan.


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Location: Egypt Israel Jordan Lebanon Syria
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After decades of confrontations between Arabs and Jews under the British mandate of Palestine, where both communities sought self-determination after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1922, the United Kingdom announced its intention in 1947 to withdraw its forces from Palestine and endorsed United Nations Resolution 181, which partitioned the British mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The plan, although accepted by the international community, was rejected by the Arabs, and in May 1948, as British forces withdrew, Israel was born in a region with unresolved disputes over borders, security, land ownership, and other matters. Since that time, Israel has fought a number of conflicts with various Arab forces, most notably in 1948–49, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, and 2023–present. This article focuses on those conflicts with significant consequences for the broader Middle East region. For coverage of clashes specific to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, see Israel, Palestine, intifada, and Gaza Strip.

1948–49: Israel’s War of Independence and the Palestinian Nakba
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On November 29, 1947, the United Nations (UN) voted to partition the British mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state (see United Nations Resolution 181). Clashes broke out almost immediately between Jews and Arabs in Palestine, beginning with the Arab ambush of a bus carrying Jewish passengers from Netanya to Jerusalem on November 30. As British troops prepared to withdraw from Palestine, conflict continued to escalate, with both Jewish and Arab forces committing hostile acts. Among the most infamous events was the attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948. The news of a massacre there by Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang forces spread widely and inspired both panic and retaliation. Days later, Arab forces attacked a Jewish convoy headed for Hadassah Hospital, killing 78.

UN partition plan for Israel and Palestine in 1947
UN partition plan for Israel and Palestine in 1947
On the eve of the British forces’ May 15, 1948, withdrawal, Israel declared independence. The fighting intensified immediately: Egypt launched an aerial assault on Tel Aviv, and, the next day, Arab forces from Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon occupied the areas in southern and eastern Palestine not apportioned to the Jews by the UN partition of Palestine and then captured East Jerusalem, including the small Jewish quarter of the Old City. The Israelis, meanwhile, won control of the main road to Jerusalem through the Yehuda Mountains (“Hills of Judaea”) and successfully repulsed repeated Arab attacks. By early 1949 the Israelis had managed to occupy all of the Negev up to the former Egypt-Palestine frontier, except for the Gaza Strip.

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Between February and July 1949, as a result of separate armistice agreements between Israel and each of the Arab states, a temporary frontier was fixed between Israel and its neighbors. In Israel, the war is remembered as its War of Independence. In the Arab world, it came to be known as the Nakba (“Catastrophe”) because of the large number of refugees and displaced persons resulting from the war.

1956: Suez Crisis
Suez Crisis: British occupation of Port Said
Suez Crisis: British occupation of Port SaidBritish soldiers supervising a crowd in Port Said, Egypt, while food is distributed during the Suez Crisis, November 12, 1956.
Tensions mounted again with the rise to power of Egyptian Pres. Gamal Abdel Nasser, a staunch Pan-Arab nationalist. Nasser took a hostile stance toward Israel. In 1956 Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal, a vital waterway connecting Europe and Asia that was largely owned by French and British concerns. France and Britain responded by striking a deal with Israel—whose ships were barred from using the canal and whose southern port of Eilat had been blockaded by Egypt—wherein Israel would invade Egypt; France and Britain would then intervene, ostensibly as peacemakers, and take control of the canal.

In October 1956 Israel invaded Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula. In five days the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) captured Gaza, Rafah, and Al-ʿArīsh—taking thousands of prisoners—and occupied most of the peninsula east of the Suez Canal. The Israelis were then in a position to open sea communications through the Gulf of Aqaba. In December, after the joint Anglo-French intervention, a UN Emergency Force was stationed in the area, and Israeli forces withdrew in March 1957. Though Egyptian forces had been defeated on all fronts, the Suez Crisis, as it is sometimes known, was seen by Arabs as an Egyptian victory. Egypt dropped the blockade of Eilat. A UN buffer force was placed in the Sinai Peninsula.

1967: Six-Day War
Six-Day War in Gaza
Six-Day War in GazaIsraeli armored troop unit entering Gaza during the Six-Day War, June 6, 1967.
Arab and Israeli forces clashed for the third time June 5–10, 1967, in what came to be called the Six-Day War (or June War). In early 1967 Syria intensified its bombardment of Israeli villages from positions in the Golan Heights. When the Israeli Air Force shot down six Syrian MiG fighter jets in reprisal, Nasser mobilized his forces near the Sinai border, dismissing the UN force there, and he again sought to blockade Eilat. In May 1967 Egypt signed a mutual defense pact with Jordan.


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Israel answered this apparent Arab rush to war by staging a sudden air assault, destroying Egypt’s air force on the ground. The Israeli victory on the ground was also overwhelming. Israeli units drove back Syrian forces from the Golan Heights, took control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and drove Jordanian forces from the West Bank. Importantly, the Israelis were left in sole control of Jerusalem.

1973: Yom Kippur War
The sporadic fighting that followed the Six-Day War again developed into full-scale war in 1973. On October 6, the Jewish holy day of Yom Kippur (thus, “Yom Kippur War”), Israel was caught off guard by Egyptian forces crossing the Suez Canal and by Syrian forces crossing into the Golan Heights. The Arab armies showed greater aggressiveness and fighting ability than in the previous wars, and the Israeli forces suffered heavy casualties. The Israeli army, however, reversed many of its early losses and pushed its way into Syrian territory and encircled the Egyptian Third Army by crossing the Suez Canal and establishing forces on its west bank. Still, it never regained the seemingly impenetrable fortifications along the Suez Canal that Egypt had destroyed in its initial successes.

Yom Kippur War
Yom Kippur WarA mosque in the Golan Heights damaged during the Yom Kippur War.
The fighting, which lasted through the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, came to an end on October 26. Israel signed a formal cease-fire agreement with Egypt on November 11 and with Syria on May 31, 1974. A disengagement agreement between Israel and Egypt, signed on January 18, 1974, provided for Israeli withdrawal into the Sinai west of the Mitla and Gidi passes, while Egypt was to reduce the size of its forces on the east bank of the canal. A UN peacekeeping force was established between the two armies. This agreement was supplemented by another, signed on September 4, 1975.

On March 26, 1979, Israel and Egypt signed a peace treaty formally ending the state of war that had existed between the two countries for 30 years. Under the terms of the treaty, which had resulted from the Camp David Accords signed in 1978, Israel returned the entire Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, and, in return, Egypt recognized Israel’s right to exist. The two countries subsequently established normal diplomatic relations.

1982: Lebanon War
On June 5, 1982, less than six weeks after Israel’s complete withdrawal from the Sinai, increased tensions between Israelis and Palestinians resulted in the Israeli bombing of Beirut and southern Lebanon, where the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) had a number of strongholds. The following day Israel invaded Lebanon, and by June 14 its land forces reached as far as the outskirts of Beirut, which was encircled, but the Israeli government agreed to halt its advance and begin negotiations with the PLO. After much delay and massive Israeli shelling of west Beirut, the PLO evacuated the city under the supervision of a multinational force. Eventually, Israeli troops withdrew from west Beirut, and the Israeli army had withdrawn from areas north of the Līṭāni River by June 1985. Hezbollah, a militant group that formed as a militia to resist the Israeli invasion in 1982, continued to engage in a guerrilla campaign against Israeli forces until they withdrew fully in May 2000.

2006: Second Lebanon War
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Bombing of Beirut, July 2006Buildings destroyed by Israeli bombs in Beirut, July 2006.
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Beirut: rescue workers search the rubble of a bombed buildingRescue workers searching for survivors under the rubble of a building bombed by the Israeli Defense Forces in Beirut, August 13, 2006.
After Israel’s withdrawal from Lebanon, Hezbollah continued to press Israel over border disputes and Israel’s detention of Lebanese prisoners. On July 12, 2006, Hezbollah launched a barrage of rockets into northern Israel, diverting the IDF’s attention as Hezbollah fighters infiltrated the border, killing several Israeli soldiers and capturing two others in an attempt to pressure Israel into releasing Lebanese prisoners. Israel launched an offensive into southern Lebanon to recover the captured soldiers, beginning with an extensive air campaign that targeted infrastructure as far north as Beirut and later a ground offensive that aimed to push Hezbollah away from the Israeli-Lebanese border. Several Arab leaders criticized Hezbollah for inciting the conflict, which left more than one thousand Lebanese dead and about one million others displaced. Nevertheless, Hezbollah’s ability to fight the IDF to a standstill won it praise throughout much of the Arab world. When hostilities came to an end on August 14, Israeli leaders claimed that they had met most of the war’s objectives, but the abducted soldiers remained in Hezbollah’s custody (their remains were later exchanged through UN-brokered negotiations in 2008) and the handling of the war was heavily scrutinized by the Israeli public.

2023–present: Israel-Hamas War
Throughout the 20th century and the first years of the 21st century the major conflicts between Israeli forces and Arab forces were either driven by non-Palestinian actors or took place on foreign soil. After Hamas, a militant Palestinian movement, took control of the Gaza Strip in 2007, the enclave came under blockade by Israel and Egypt and a number of armed conflicts between Israel and Hamas took place in the territory, most notably in 2008, 2012, 2014, and 2021. The consequences of those conflicts largely remained contained within the enclave.

Aftermath of the October 7, 2023, attack
Aftermath of the October 7, 2023, attackSurvivors of a Hamas rocket strike on Tel Aviv talking with rescuers on October 7, 2023.
On October 7, 2023, Hamas led the most brutal assault against Israel since its independence, killing some 1,200 people and taking more than 240 others hostage. The attack, which caught Israeli forces off guard on the solemn Jewish holiday of Shemini Atzeret, occurred under the shadow of the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. With thousands of rockets launched into Israel in the span of 20 minutes, thus distracting the IDF while Hamas militants infiltrated the border and captured both civilians and soldiers, the assault echoed—and amplified—that of Hezbollah in the Lebanon War in 2006. Netanyahu vowed to dismantle and destroy Hamas using “all the power” of the IDF, and the next day Israel declared a state of war.

Israel-Hamas War
Israel-Hamas WarDestruction in the Jabalia refugee camp from an Israeli air strike in the Gaza Strip on November 1, 2023.
In the weeks that followed, the IDF’s air strikes in the crowded enclave were devastating. By the end of October, when Israel launched its ground invasion, more than half of the Gaza Strip’s population had been displaced, and the war had become the deadliest for Palestinians since the war of 1948. Despite efforts by Qatar and Egypt to mediate the return of the hostages and the cessation of violence—with short-lived success in late November—the war leveled much of the Gaza Strip and led to a calamitous humanitarian crisis. Moreover, the conflict inspired an escalation in conflict with allies of Hamas, including Hezbollah, which stepped up a series of confrontations with Israel that had begun before October 7, and the Houthi movement, which disrupted global shipping by attacking ships in the Red Sea. At the end of the year Israel faced tremendous international pressure to ease its offensive, and in February a rift emerged between Israel and the United States, Israel’s most important source of international support. Meanwhile, efforts to reach a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas continued, although Hamas refused to accept any proposal that did not guarantee a permanent end to hostilities and the full withdrawal of Israeli forces.

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Middle East, the lands around the southern and eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea, encompassing at least the Arabian Peninsula and, by some definitions, Iran, North Africa, and sometimes beyond. The central part of this general area was formerly called the Near East, a name given to it by some of the first modern Western geographers and historians, who tended to divide what they called the Orient into three regions. Near East applied to the region nearest Europe, extending from the Mediterranean Sea to the Persian Gulf; Middle East, from the Persian Gulf to Southeast Asia; and Far East, those regions facing the Pacific Ocean.

The change in usage began to evolve prior to World War II and tended to be confirmed during that war, when the term Middle East was given to the British military command in Egypt. By the mid-20th century a common definition of the Middle East encompassed the states or territories of Turkey, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jordan, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, and the various states and territories of Arabia proper (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, and the Trucial States, or Trucial Oman [now United Arab Emirates]). Subsequent events have tended, in loose usage, to enlarge the number of lands included in the definition. The three North African countries of Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco are closely connected in sentiment and foreign policy with the Arab states. In addition, geographic factors often require statesmen and others to take account of Afghanistan and Pakistan in connection with the affairs of the Middle East.

Occasionally, Greece is included in the compass of the Middle East because the Middle Eastern (then Near Eastern) question in its modern form first became apparent when the Greeks rose in rebellion to assert their independence of the Ottoman Empire in 1821 (see Eastern Question). Turkey and Greece, together with the predominantly Arabic-speaking lands around the eastern end of the Mediterranean, were also formerly known as the Levant.

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Wow, thanks for the info. I used to catch halibut in Alaska with a similar heavy rig. 80 to 180 # fish common. I started with Penn reels and graduated to my favorite, an Avet single speed lever drag conventional reel medium size 80 lb braid. Similar - https://www.tackledirect.com/a...ls.html#&gid=1&pid=5

Sometimes now I use the small size Avet single speed lever drag for catfish, but IMO it's overkill but fun anyway.

I don't have a fishfinder that shows suspended fish.

When I start fishing salt water again I'll use the Avets when appropriate, like bottom fishing.

I don't do much catch and release. If I catch a big channel cat full of eggs, I'll release her. But I prefer the small or medium size fish for eating. I know people who are glad to take the bigger fish, especially if I clean them.

Probably the water in your lake is cleaner than around here. It's the accumulated toxins in the older bigger fish that I figure I avoid by keeping for myself the smaller fish.

About this time of year is when the channel cats spawn so the fishing may not be good now.

The 100# braid, is definitely overkill. I only use it because it's on the reels I use in South America, where it is NOT overkill. I use Shimano-8000D, 12000 Thunnis and an oddly hard to get, Baitrunner LC14000. It's a European reel made for carp fishing. It has 44# of drag, the 12000 Thunnis only has 27#. Even the 44# drag proven that some fish are stronger and pull drag, effortlessly.

The 80# mono leader is for abrasion only. Flatheads, in comparison aren't really that strong.

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Antisemitism is rather confusing to me now. 85 years ago, it was right wing nazis who were targeting jews for extermination. That was wrong and I think everyone can agree with that. But maybe not?

Now, it is the left that supports people who want to exterminate or persecute jews. Look at Harvard University. Look at the Democrats supporting protesters against Jews and Israel. These aren't peaceful protesters obviously as borne out by recent events.

I don't find antisemitism confusing at all. I believe it's evil, simple, Biblical evil. I believe antisemitism is the hatred for everything Godly, certainly a hatred for God's Chosen people.

But not just antisemitism, evil is what propels so much of human atrocities. Man wasn't born to be a rapist or pedophile, man wasn't born with the natural ability to maim and destroy. A baby born in a vacuum doesn't know how to or even want to murder, pillage or destroy, that's taught to them. Evil pursues it's victims, be they the instruments or the victims of evil.

And no M.E. I don't think my opinion has to be Christian or faith or religious based. There could be other explanations for evil as a force, but it certainly isn't the Big Bang theory or Evolution as in a fish walked out of the ocean and the sun gave it hate.

Evil certainly is a force, an entity, a power.
That man could just naturally rape, mutilate, kill babies isn't believable.

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God's Chosen people.

Absurd.