Just out, Trump wants to the US to own and government/rebuild Gaza.
That should be interesting....

As if we don't have enough ghettos to deal with....

It is further interesting that no Arab country will take Palestinians and none have stepped up to rebuild that ghetto...

What a world we live in...

You would think that Saudi or UAE would chip in a bit...

Of all the M.E. real estate to put an American/ Infidel footprint on , Gaza might be it.

Gaza isn't Holy Land like Mecca, and is populated by the least liked Muslims on the planet. Somalis get more respect. The Houthis get Valentine's Day cards before the Palestinians.

I would have objected now and forever to a permanent base in Iraq or Afghanistan, but Mediterranean beachfront does have appeal.

We should rebuild our own decaying infrastructure first, before we start another foreign adventure like Iraq.

Donald Trump, not being a great student of history, just decided to have another go at putting people on the Res.

. . . elect a clown, expect a circus.

Gaza could be a pretty resort if it was cleaned up, just sayin'

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Donald Trump, not being a great student of history, just decided to have another go at putting people on the Res.

Actually, The Donald is suggesting exile. Full banishment. Send em to Mars.

Some of the beach and surf pictures of old Lebanon are idilic. It's possible a few dozen miles south could be equally so.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Gaza could be a pretty resort if it was cleaned up, just sayin'

How much debt to take on, US lives, and permanent US presence to maintain any kind of security are you willing to take on.

Such an Act would end any regional cooperation we have. Drive Saudi Arabia to more of an alliance w Russia. The militancy and insurance would be so end as we create generations of young Arbs w cause to hate us. Just saying

Non of you uttered a word last time he was in charge.

He SOLD the Golan Heights to the Zionist Entity.

Kushner pocketed untold millions for getting the job done..
They named it Trumpville!

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Gaza could be a pretty resort if it was cleaned up, just sayin'

How much debt to take on, US lives, and permanent US presence to maintain any kind of security are you willing to take on.

Such an Act would end any regional cooperation we have. Drive Saudi Arabia to more of an alliance w Russia. The militancy and insurance would be so end as we create generations of young Arbs w cause to hate us. Just saying

Russia?!?!?!?!
An alliance with Russia?!?!?!?!
Are you and I thinking about the same Russia?
Vlads Russia? Vlads Russia that sends in DPRK soldiers as cannon fodder,.....that Russia?

Dude, Vlad can have Saudi Arabia. The Prince can fly Russian jet fighters, drive Russian tanks and shoot AK-47's. Mebbe the prince can resurrect Russians single aircraft carrier.

You were absolutely tuned tighter than a piano wire to leave a permanent military presence in the most zealous and devout Islamic territory in the Caliphate, (Afghanistan,) And you reject the Red Headed Step Child, / Gaza.

Saeed and the rest of the Caliphate care nothing for Palestine, the Palestinians and Gaza which is why the Caliphate never offers anything more than lip service.

Truthfully, I doubt Trump is any more serious about annexing Gaza than he is about annexing Canada and as I've said before. I find his duplicity revolting.

But Gaza is one big fuck up like Haiti and it's past time for an adult to take over and supervise the classroom.

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But Gaza is one big fuck up like Haiti and it's past time for an adult to take over and supervise the classroom.

Yeah, that's what we thought for twenty years in Afghanistan.

If only we'd poured another thousand lives and a trillion niew dollars into the place, it would have worked.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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But Gaza is one big fuck up like Haiti and it's past time for an adult to take over and supervise the classroom.

Yeah, that's what we thought for twenty years in Afghanistan.

If only we'd poured another thousand lives and a trillion niew dollars into the place, it would have worked.

And you got your sorry arse handed to you.

That was my point.

But I'm sure we'd fare better this time...yeah, right.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Gaza could be a pretty resort if it was cleaned up, just sayin'

How much debt to take on, US lives, and permanent US presence to maintain any kind of security are you willing to take on.

Such an Act would end any regional cooperation we have. Drive Saudi Arabia to more of an alliance w Russia. The militancy and insurance would be so end as we create generations of young Arbs w cause to hate us. Just saying

Russia?!?!?!?!
An alliance with Russia?!?!?!?!
Are you and I thinking about the same Russia?
Vlads Russia? Vlads Russia that sends in DPRK soldiers as cannon fodder,.....that Russia?

Dude, Vlad can have Saudi Arabia. The Prince can fly Russian jet fighters, drive Russian tanks and shoot AK-47's. Mebbe the prince can resurrect Russians single aircraft carrier.

You were absolutely tuned tighter than a piano wire to leave a permanent military presence in the most zealous and devout Islamic territory in the Caliphate, (Afghanistan,) And you reject the Red Headed Step Child, / Gaza.

Saeed and the rest of the Caliphate care nothing for Palestine, the Palestinians and Gaza which is why the Caliphate never offers anything more than lip service.

Truthfully, I doubt Trump is any more serious about annexing Gaza than he is about annexing Canada and as I've said before. I find his duplicity revolting.

But Gaza is one big fuck up like Haiti and it's past time for an adult to take over and supervise the classroom.

I think the Arabs love the "palestinians". Gives their citizens a place to direct their anger......that way the Arab Royals can keep stealing their countries wealth. Without the deflection the Arab Royals would be toast!

Yes, Saudi Arabia has already engaged in energy deal w Russia that caused us great anxiety.



Russia’s annexation of Crimea in the spring of 2014, followed by the conflict in Donbas, led to its expulsion from the G8 and ignited a prolonged confrontation with Western nations. As a result, Moscow found itself increasingly isolated and compelled to seek new alliances.

Meanwhile, the United States experienced a surge in oil production due to the “shale gale,” which significantly boosted U.S. oil output, adding 3 million barrels per day (equivalent to 9 percent of OPEC’s production at the time) in the three years leading up to July 2014. This increase contributed directly to a dramatic shift in the global oil market dynamics. The market responded to this surge in supply with a sharp decline in oil prices, from the average of $108.93 per barrel of Brent in the first half of 2014 to $55.27 per barrel by the year’s end. Unlike in 1998, 2001, or 2008, this drop was not caused by a demand shock due to an economic crisis but rather by a major technological breakthrough. Therefore, the price could not be expected to recover alongside economic improvement. Additionally, it became evident that OPEC, with its diminishing market share, no longer had the capacity to single-handedly stabilize the market.

In January 2015, Salman bin Abdulaziz became the new king of Saud Arabia, after the death of his father King Abdullah. This was also the start of the meteoric rise of Prince Mohammed bin Salman. The young prince was not as pro-American as the traditional Saudi establishment and was looking for diplomatic breakthroughs that would differentiate him in a race to become the successor of the throne. In his view, establishing a working relationship with Russia might look like a strong win. Russia was positioning itself as a power broker in Yemen, without getting too close to any of the factions. In March 2015, just a month after Mohammed bin Salman was appointed the defense minister, Saudi Arabia started a military operation against the Houthis. Having an understanding with Russia on Yemen was important for the developing relationship and in June 2015 the prince visited the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, where he met Russian President Vladimir Putin and then energy minister Alexander Novak.
https://carnegieendowment.org/...-middle-east?lang=en

Why does anyone think Saudi Arabia will dislike making Gaza a nice place.

My bet is that the Saudis play ball here. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by NOT getting in the way of this.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why does anyone think Saudi Arabia will dislike making Gaza a nice place.

My bet is that the Saudis play ball here. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by NOT getting in the way of this.

Because most folks do not support ethnic cleansing, no matter what you call. This is a terrible idea by a terrible man.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why does anyone think Saudi Arabia will dislike making Gaza a nice place.

My bet is that the Saudis play ball here. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by NOT getting in the way of this.

Because most folks do not support ethnic cleansing, no matter what you call. This is a terrible idea by a terrible man.

I disagree that it is a terrible idea. I think it might be the only idea with merit. Making an awful place on earth into a nice place always gets my vote.

I will bet the Saudis stay quietly unopposed. Want to take that one?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why does anyone think Saudi Arabia will dislike making Gaza a nice place.

My bet is that the Saudis play ball here. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by NOT getting in the way of this.

Only a true trumptard like you could take this suggestion seriously and act like it is even remotely possible.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why does anyone think Saudi Arabia will dislike making Gaza a nice place.

My bet is that the Saudis play ball here. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by NOT getting in the way of this.

Because most folks do not support ethnic cleansing, no matter what you call. This is a terrible idea by a terrible man.

I disagree that it is a terrible idea. I think it might be the only idea with merit. Making an awful place on earth into a nice place always gets my vote.

I will bet the Saudis stay quietly unopposed. Want to take that one?

The only real solution is to give the Palestinians a State, or a right of return and equal standing as citizens in Israel. The displaced have not given up after 75 years, this war has only hardened them, they won't be giving up their homeland anytime soon. That is a very safe bet.

The Palestinians are not a state or a country. They are a collection of rejects from every Arab country thrown onto a spit of land and told to govern themselves. Which they cannot do. They had the chance and choice but picked Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran to guide them and support them. It is a waste. Much like Lebanon.

They never had a "homeland". They are Arabs and belong in any Arab country, but none will have them. They are squatters on Israel's land.

Trump's idea is the only valid option that anyone has put forward. No Arab country will support it yet the people involved are "theirs". Go figure.

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Originally posted by dogcat:
The Palestinians are not a state or a country. They are a collection of rejects from every Arab country thrown onto a spit of land and told to govern themselves. Which they cannot do. They had the chance and choice but picked Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran to guide them and support them. It is a waste. Much like Lebanon.

They never had a "homeland". They are Arabs and belong in any Arab country, but none will have them. They are squatters on Israel's land.

Trump's idea is the only valid option that anyone has put forward. No Arab country will support it yet the people involved are "theirs". Go figure.

Utter

The Palestinians were driven from their homeland, what is now Israel, through force. Your calls for ethnic cleansing are nothing short of disgusting.

The Ice Maiden seems to think this is as brilliant a move as I do. Yeah, we should go and further insert ourselves into the part of the world that has been the least stable area for decades. Sheer genius. Where are all the MAGAts that were preaching an isolationist agenda during the campaign . . . cut and run in Ukraine, dump NATO, invest at home, mind our own business.

I'd prefer the entire M. E. step up and do the investing and rebuilding there.

There is plenty of infrastructure projects here at home that need attention. Including things like affordable housing, child care options, getting people off welfare, actually doing something about our roads, urban decay, etc. List is huge.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
I'd prefer the entire M. E. step up and do the investing and rebuilding there.

There is plenty of infrastructure projects here at home that need attention. Including things like affordable housing, child care options, getting people off welfare, actually doing something about our roads, urban decay, etc. List is huge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...estment_and_Jobs_Act

But you knew that.

So let me get this straight, Trump wants to forcibly relocate 2 million people so the US can move in to what they view as their homeland.

The same population a proportion of which are well trained terrorist lunatics who view that patch of wasteland as their homeland.

And how many takers has he had for the 2 million who live there now?

And he wants Greenland and Panama. Sounds to me like he wants an empire for Trump. With other people doing the fighting and dying if things get rough.

I thought this clown wants America first and slash the budget.

But here he is spending trillions abroad.

He's a phony from the get go and incompetent too.

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Originally posted by 300shooter:
I thought this clown wants America first and slash the budget.

But here he is spending trillions abroad.

He's a phony from the get go and incompetent too.

and you discovered it today.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why does anyone think Saudi Arabia will dislike making Gaza a nice place.

My bet is that the Saudis play ball here. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by NOT getting in the way of this.

Only a true trumptard like you could take this suggestion seriously and act like it is even remotely possible.

Actually I think it very likely.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why does anyone think Saudi Arabia will dislike making Gaza a nice place.

My bet is that the Saudis play ball here. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by NOT getting in the way of this.

Because most folks do not support ethnic cleansing, no matter what you call. This is a terrible idea by a terrible man.

I disagree that it is a terrible idea. I think it might be the only idea with merit. Making an awful place on earth into a nice place always gets my vote.

I will bet the Saudis stay quietly unopposed. Want to take that one?

The only real solution is to give the Palestinians a State, or a right of return and equal standing as citizens in Israel. The displaced have not given up after 75 years, this war has only hardened them, they won't be giving up their homeland anytime soon. That is a very safe bet.

My offer was to bet that the Saudis get on board with it. Want in on that one?

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
I'd prefer the entire M. E. step up and do the investing and rebuilding there.

There is plenty of infrastructure projects here at home that need attention. Including things like affordable housing, child care options, getting people off welfare, actually doing something about our roads, urban decay, etc. List is huge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...estment_and_Jobs_Act

But you knew that.

Which has not worked at all. NO doubt it's enriched liberal donors and politicians though. BTW- your former dope govt and their US AID are total frauds.

I gathered that Trump wants the US to take over security and rebuild Gaza. Is he actually trying to make another Puerto Rico? Or is it a Marshall plan brought forward?

I didn’t see anything about removing the people who are there.

I get the concerns about money, but if we redirect the funding we send to Israel and get a safer world allowing us to reduce our military commitment to the Middle East, then it could be a winner.

From Trump’s statements who knows what he really is after? I’m not a fan of making Gaza a US territory, but I’m not adverse to spending some of our previously earmarked foreign aid money to this project… if done right.

Will Trump give some overall guidance and let it work? Dunno.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I gathered that Trump wants the US to take over security and rebuild Gaza. Is he actually trying to make another Puerto Rico? Or is it a Marshall plan brought forward?

I didn’t see anything about removing the people who are there.

I get the concerns about money, but if we redirect the funding we send to Israel and get a safer world allowing us to reduce our military commitment to the Middle East, then it could be a winner.

From Trump’s statements who knows what he really is after? I’m not a fan of making Gaza a US territory, but I’m not adverse to spending some of our previously earmarked foreign aid money to this project… if done right.

Will Trump give some overall guidance and let it work? Dunno.

The White House was crystal clear about speaking to ALL the greater ME countries about funding.

Specifically mentioned were the Saudi's, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt and Bahrain. I'd guess UAE is probably in the mix as well.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why does anyone think Saudi Arabia will dislike making Gaza a nice place.

My bet is that the Saudis play ball here. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by NOT getting in the way of this.

Because most folks do not support ethnic cleansing, no matter what you call. This is a terrible idea by a terrible man.

I disagree that it is a terrible idea. I think it might be the only idea with merit. Making an awful place on earth into a nice place always gets my vote.

I will bet the Saudis stay quietly unopposed. Want to take that one?

The only real solution is to give the Palestinians a State, or a right of return and equal standing as citizens in Israel. The displaced have not given up after 75 years, this war has only hardened them, they won't be giving up their homeland anytime soon. That is a very safe bet.

My offer was to bet that the Saudis get on board with it. Want in on that one?

Sure, I am fairly comfortable saying that the Saudi's will not endorse the removal of the Palestinian people from Gaza.

Why on earth would you think that they would? They won't.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why does anyone think Saudi Arabia will dislike making Gaza a nice place.

My bet is that the Saudis play ball here. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by NOT getting in the way of this.

Because most folks do not support ethnic cleansing, no matter what you call. This is a terrible idea by a terrible man.

I disagree that it is a terrible idea. I think it might be the only idea with merit. Making an awful place on earth into a nice place always gets my vote.

I will bet the Saudis stay quietly unopposed. Want to take that one?

The only real solution is to give the Palestinians a State, or a right of return and equal standing as citizens in Israel. The displaced have not given up after 75 years, this war has only hardened them, they won't be giving up their homeland anytime soon. That is a very safe bet.

My offer was to bet that the Saudis get on board with it. Want in on that one?

Sure, I am fairly comfortable saying that the Saudi's will not endorse the removal of the Palestinian people from Gaza.

Why on earth would you think that they would? They won't.

I am in saying they will eventually agree. You want the counter?

Agree to what? The ethnic cleansing of Gaza? The Saudi's won't agree to that. They have stated yesterday that they will not recognize Israel with the creation of a Palestinian State.

https://www.reuters.com/world/...creation-2025-02-05/

nah -- these two ideas won't agree - and no other arab countries want them -- trying to get the US in that quagmire is almost as stupid as voting for harris

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by dogcat:
The Palestinians are not a state or a country. They are a collection of rejects from every Arab country thrown onto a spit of land and told to govern themselves. Which they cannot do. They had the chance and choice but picked Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran to guide them and support them. It is a waste. Much like Lebanon.

They never had a "homeland". They are Arabs and belong in any Arab country, but none will have them. They are squatters on Israel's land.

Trump's idea is the only valid option that anyone has put forward. No Arab country will support it yet the people involved are "theirs". Go figure.

Utter

The Palestinians were driven from their homeland, what is now Israel, through force. Your calls for ethnic cleansing are nothing short of disgusting.

History matters steve. They weren't driven they where orderd by the leader of islam to leave......then the Arabs tried to defeat Israel and where soundly trounced.......then the " Palestinians" wanted to come back???? Or actually the Islamic countries they fled to sent them back.....

There has never been a country of palestine, ever....there was a region called Palestine and there where people that lived there...