quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
You wouldn't put me on your ignore list because that would defeat your purpose in life.

And I do my best to not deprive you.

Just my experience, But I dont put you or anyone else on ignore, because I can choose to read or not read, regard or disregard someone or something without the need to signify it.
The action to censor something publicly is a sign of need or weakness.

quote:

The action to censor something publicly is a sign of need or weakness.

First you advocate censorship, then you judge it as wrong. The least you could do is be consistent.

Thanks. Did you think I used that word by chance?

My aim in using that word was taking the piss out of your claim Im advocating censorship. Which is the falsehood you are stuck on.

Whereas your agitation at a false censorship, whilst actively applauding your own use, is where the hypocrisy lies.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
You wouldn't put me on your ignore list because that would defeat your purpose in life.

And I do my best to not deprive you.

Just my experience, But I dont put you or anyone else on ignore, because I can choose to read or not read, regard or disregard someone or something without the need to signify it.
The action to censor something publicly is a sign of need or weakness.

Either you or I am confused by that. Are you equating a personal decision to ignore the antics of a troll with censorship?

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
You wouldn't put me on your ignore list because that would defeat your purpose in life.

And I do my best to not deprive you.

Just my experience, But I dont put you or anyone else on ignore, because I can choose to read or not read, regard or disregard someone or something without the need to signify it.
The action to censor something publicly is a sign of need or weakness.

Either you or I am confused by that. Are you equating a personal decision to ignore the antics of a troll with censorship?

still posting bout little ole me, jimmy?

i get it, having your head handed back to you, oh, let's be kind, 98:2 must be wearisome for you -

that i don't accept your bloviation as gospel must be soul crushing .. nah, dude, it's bits on a screen -- if you get all mad about it, perhaps the internet isn't for you?

Yeah, Its not the right word I know. The idea of making false censorship claims while lauding ones ability to block a forum participant in a trolling manor is what Im getting at.

Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 24 July 2025 06:08

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Your statement that PBS should self-censor are now, according to you, false claims somehow, just reflects on you.

"Lauding" is a hype word in this context. What is "trolling manor"?

I've seen many false equivalences herein, but never one stretched so much as equating your suggestion that PBS should censor itself with me putting a goof ball on ignore.

Looks to me like you have lost your prime on your nonsense pump and sucking air.

Look at you. Grasping at anything. I accepted Rolands criticism and am happy to withdraw the comment.

What does it change?

Did you edit something out?

Is that what you mean by "withdraw the comment"?

Do I need to start quoting you explicitly, so you can't weasel?

Man you have your tits in a tangle. Look at the accusations and insults fly.
You hurting so bad right now its incredible to watch the grasping and flailing as you try to damage me.

No I havnt edited anything out. I never do that. I am more than happy for people to see what Ive written and more than happy to take fair criticism. As Roland did.
But you already knew that from our years of interaction.

It's been a long time since you have behaved this way.
Ill ask again
What was the comment I made that triggered this second round? The rubbed it in one?

All they need do is one episode praising the ORANGE MAGA ARSEHOLE and all will be changed!

I do skip reading many things, including whole threads.
I dont watch videos or read AI generated responses. Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
I see putting someone on ignore just shows their own weakness.
I would never use the ignore button.
Unless, If shanks starts posting he has gone to milking goats, I'll ignore him in a heartbeat!

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If shanks starts posting he has gone to milking goats

That's funny.

Metaphorically, he's gone to that already. Not literally, probably, but with words written herein.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
It's been a long time since you have behaved this way.
Ill ask again
What was the comment I made that triggered this second round? The rubbed it in one?

It hasn't been a long time since you behaved this way. This is SOP for you, if your opinion is challenged.

I remembered wrong, from our argument a long time ago. As I recall it was about published scientific research and findings. I gave all sorts of backup and support for my views. Nothing worked with you. You maintained your initial opinion throughout the argument. You call it consistency. So do I.

I remembered the resolution wrong too. I thought we resolved it in somewhat agreement. After this episode, I think the way it got resolved was just fizzled out.

And since then I've tried to get along with you, by tiptoeing, and stroking your ego, and agreeing with you where I can, and just not disagreeing.

With that, the answer to your question is that you never learn, consistently.

And BTW, most of my posts in argument with you are designed to hopefully be informative for others, since from experience there is little chance of you changing your mind.

Notice the first and last and in-between thing you do is get defensive. Whatever is causing that is also the barrier. And somehow you think we can have a reasonable discussion.

And another thing to notice is that I always circle back to the main topic, and how this relates to PBS.

For example, you stated your opinion that PBS should leave out/omit/censor reference to climate change. That's the central issue of argument. All the rest, especially from the three trools, is peripheral.

And you have not explained why you think PBS should self-censor re climate change, nor have you answered my question; is the censorship suggestion, in your opinion, broader in scope than just climate science? If so, how broad? And BTW, by asking those questions there's triple intent on my part in asking. One is not necessarily for the honest direct answers. Two, is to cause you to think about the context and self-reflect. And three, for others to see, both the questions, and the answers, or non-answers.

Your deflection is an answer.

The main reason I ignore three of the participants here is because they ALWAYS lead the discussion down the rabbit hole of personal attacks, and name calling, etc., and completely off-topic. That's jeffee's ploy in particular. It's very difficult to stay on topic with all the clutter and nonsense he posts. I think that's his joy.

He basically ruins any thread he posts in, a lot. They don't contribute anything worth considering, except maybe TB40 who sometimes does, but see the above post which is typical - off topic.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I do skip reading many things, including whole threads.
I dont watch videos or read AI generated responses. Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
I see putting someone on ignore just shows their own weakness.
I would never use the ignore button.
Unless, If shanks starts posting he has gone to milking goats, I'll ignore him in a heartbeat!

Yeah, I, for an example to help you, am weak...on time to match the troll's endless supply for arguing nonsense. What a job he must have to give him so much free time! But some of us work for ourselves, not a generous boss.

I'm also weak on the inclination to chase him down his rabbit holes or to engage him in his I'm-smarter-than-you-are contests (for which he's woefully under-armed).

Look inside yourself: could part of the reason you disapprove of ignoring someome be that you haven't (yet) become one of his targets? Btw, I've noticed you seldom express any disagreement or disapproval of his posts. Hmm. "Weak" must be subject to personal definitions.

On a closely-related subject, is there an actual "ignore" button? I've just been scrolling past posts by the troll. That includes your posts, Magine, when you are quoting him.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I do skip reading many things, including whole threads.
I dont watch videos or read AI generated responses. Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
I see putting someone on ignore just shows their own weakness.
I would never use the ignore button.
Unless, If shanks starts posting he has gone to milking goats, I'll ignore him in a heartbeat!

Yeah, I, for an example to help you, am weak...on time to match the troll's endless supply for arguing nonsense. What a job he must have to give him so much free time! But some of us work for ourselves, not a generous boss.

I'm also weak on the inclination to chase him down his rabbit holes or to engage him in his I'm-smarter-than-you-are contests (for which he's woefully under-armed).

Look inside yourself: could part of the reason you disapprove of ignoring someome be that you haven't (yet) become one of his targets? Btw, I've noticed you seldom express any disagreement or disapproval of his posts. Hmm. "Weak" must be subject to personal definitions.

On a closely-related subject, is there an actual "ignore" button? I've just been scrolling past posts by the troll. That includes your posts, Magine, when you are quoting him.

Still marring your online life, but afraid to face me. But, you are correct, your arguements are generally weak and not researched, as by your own statements , you don't look up facts and only get your news from here.

Little Jimmy, you can't take being wrong wont admit it, and cling to being right past facts being displayed.

But go ahead, you can keep pretending you don't read every post. Good for you.

But that you keep posting about me, well, its cute

As for my job, honey, I am able to multitask and take 5 minutes to post. Oh, and my last review was highest possible rating, outstanding in my role. Full deliverables on time and on budget. That might beyond others skill set, to use their phone for a little mental decompress. I don't suffer from delivery or performance issues.

Weird

It is as easy to scroll past something I dont care about reading, as it is to put people on ignore.
Jeffe and I disagree on things,I have no problem with that. I disagree with everyone about one thing or another. Thats the way life works.

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It is as easy to scroll past something I dont care about reading, as it is to put people on ignore.

Yep. That's what I do.

There are different paths to ignoring someone.

If you are going to ignore someone, ignore them.

Going on about ignoring someone is the sort of thing that encourages the belief that censorship is good at times.

I’ve never put anyone on ignore. I’ve never not read a post purely based on the poster.

I’m not going to in general watch videos, but that’s more about bandwidth and time than who posts it.

Some of the folks who I don’t think have much on the ball occasionally post items worthy of attention.

My solution to getting annoyed with people on the internet is to go do something else. It’s not like I (or most people) don’t have other things they want to do.

All these piss-ups about trolls are ending up being trolling in themselves.

If you have nothing better to do, go ahead and worsen the signal to noise ratio here… not that it is very good in the first place.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
It's been a long time since you have behaved this way.
Ill ask again
What was the comment I made that triggered this second round? The rubbed it in one?

It hasn't been a long time since you behaved this way. This is SOP for you, if your opinion is challenged.

I remembered wrong, from our argument a long time ago. As I recall it was about published scientific research and findings. I gave all sorts of backup and support for my views. Nothing worked with you. You maintained your initial opinion throughout the argument. You call it consistency. So do I.

I remembered the resolution wrong too. I thought we resolved it in somewhat agreement. After this episode, I think the way it got resolved was just fizzled out.

And since then I've tried to get along with you, by tiptoeing, and stroking your ego, and agreeing with you where I can, and just not disagreeing.

With that, the answer to your question is that you never learn, consistently.

And BTW, most of my posts in argument with you are designed to hopefully be informative for others, since from experience there is little chance of you changing your mind.

Notice the first and last and in-between thing you do is get defensive. Whatever is causing that is also the barrier. And somehow you think we can have a reasonable discussion.

And another thing to notice is that I always circle back to the main topic, and how this relates to PBS.

For example, you stated your opinion that PBS should leave out/omit/censor reference to climate change. That's the central issue of argument. All the rest, especially from the three trools, is peripheral.

And you have not explained why you think PBS should self-censor re climate change, nor have you answered my question; is the censorship suggestion, in your opinion, broader in scope than just climate science? If so, how broad? And BTW, by asking those questions there's triple intent on my part in asking. One is not necessarily for the honest direct answers. Two, is to cause you to think about the context and self-reflect. And three, for others to see, both the questions, and the answers, or non-answers.

Your deflection is an answer.

The main reason I ignore three of the participants here is because they ALWAYS lead the discussion down the rabbit hole of personal attacks, and name calling, etc., and completely off-topic. That's jeffee's ploy in particular. It's very difficult to stay on topic with all the clutter and nonsense he posts. I think that's his joy.

He basically ruins any thread he posts in, a lot. They don't contribute anything worth considering, except maybe TB40 who sometimes does, but see the above post which is typical - off topic.

No ME, this is how I behave when an individual chooses to mis interpret what ive said. Deliberately. There is now pages of me telling you that, and your dishonesty is in refusing to ask what or why. Because you know. Its sticking to the line you hold. I'll say it again, not that it will help.
I thought political content was unnecessary. its irrelevant what it was about. It had crossed the line from science, into politics. If your goal is a show that brings everyone along and interests them in science, then I dont think there is a place for political content. That's it!

for very similar reasons too what Tyson gives here.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OAAOV6DUb30
Because getting political will alienate 50% of your audience. Its a no win.

As too "our argument from along time ago" is this what's rubbed you the wrong way? some long ago perceived slight?

The rest of what you say there I just put down to your vicious, narcissistic nature. Your way of attack. Because if that's how you really deal with disagreement, then no wonder you end up in this type of situation consistently. The dishonesty and smug superiority is inherent and those you deal with detect it.

And yes you always circle back. Always trying too get the result that strokes your own ego.

Yet still you try to explain your use of ignore. It's not your use of the button that shows your true nature. Fine use it. no one cares. It's your constant need to show everyone. The self importance of it! the hypocrisy and hubris of making such a show of ignoring, but then needing to still see what those people are saying and needing to reply to them. Its a weapon, but one that shows your weakness.

I dont answer why I think PBS should self censor re climate change, because that's your assertion/interpretation. Not mine. you are stuck on it and its incorrect!
I keep telling you that. as much as you would like to portray this as an argument where I refuse to budge on my opinion. It's not about that or me at all.
Im refusing to agree to your interpretation. It's about you, not me. As much as you try and make it. If you truely want my opinion. Then stop demanding I accept your statement, and ask me what I said honestly.
But you won't, because there is no conflict in that. This is your hill. Im mean the hubris of some of your statement. That your posts are designed to be informative. What information? this discussion is nothing more than ad hominem.

"Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments that are usually fallacious. Often currently this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or background."
Take a look at your entire post. That's all it is. Ive expressed a desire to head back to discussion a number of times, which you ignore. Where do you really want to be ME? because it is pathetic.

TB40 made a joke, a good one. Its part of community. he also referenced your use of ignore, which is justifiable commentary given your use of it as a weapon

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
It is as easy to scroll past something I dont care about reading, as it is to put people on ignore.
Jeffe and I disagree on things,I have no problem with that. I disagree with everyone about one thing or another. Thats the way life works.

Exactly! You and I have disagreed, But we still have capacity to joke or agree without the need to intentionally hurt.

This is why ME gets the response he does. he uses things as weapons. It's very passive aggressive. more about him than anything else.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I do skip reading many things, including whole threads.
I dont watch videos or read AI generated responses. Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
I see putting someone on ignore just shows their own weakness.
I would never use the ignore button.
Unless, If shanks starts posting he has gone to milking goats, I'll ignore him in a heartbeat!

Yeah, I, for an example to help you, am weak...on time to match the troll's endless supply for arguing nonsense. What a job he must have to give him so much free time! But some of us work for ourselves, not a generous boss.

I'm also weak on the inclination to chase him down his rabbit holes or to engage him in his I'm-smarter-than-you-are contests (for which he's woefully under-armed).

Look inside yourself: could part of the reason you disapprove of ignoring someome be that you haven't (yet) become one of his targets? Btw, I've noticed you seldom express any disagreement or disapproval of his posts. Hmm. "Weak" must be subject to personal definitions.

On a closely-related subject, is there an actual "ignore" button? I've just been scrolling past posts by the troll. That includes your posts, Magine, when you are quoting him.

There seems to be a cultural difference exhibiting between the left and right. This post is an example. It too needs to reference someone in a passive aggressive manor designed to put down and insult.
It's a public statement of use of ignore, which shows in fact the opposite. A declaration of superiority by casting shade on someone else's intellect.

Anyone else getting the "i am not talking to you" childish vibe?
Literally nothing we say or do here will change ONE THING outside of our property (or lease) lines. Nothing.

I am fully aware that being factual to the emotional works ALMOST as well as me telling my wife/sister/mother to calm down. With like results. You'd think I would have learned that literally nothing said in social media makes one wit of difference

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
If you are going to ignore someone, ignore them.

Going on about ignoring someone is the sort of thing that encourages the belief that censorship is good at times.

I’ve never put anyone on ignore. I’ve never not read a post purely based on the poster.

I’m not going to in general watch videos, but that’s more about bandwidth and time than who posts it.

Some of the folks who I don’t think have much on the ball occasionally post items worthy of attention.

My solution to getting annoyed with people on the internet is to go do something else. It’s not like I (or most people) don’t have other things they want to do.

All these piss-ups about trolls are ending up being trolling in themselves.

If you have nothing better to do, go ahead and worsen the signal to noise ratio here… not that it is very good in the first place.

There are some pearls of wisdom there, but if you had ever been the target of a troll yourself, you might have more use for the ability to ignore their posts.

I would argue that he has been the target of a troll, and he handled/handles it better than anyone.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I do skip reading many things, including whole threads.
I dont watch videos or read AI generated responses. Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
I see putting someone on ignore just shows their own weakness.
I would never use the ignore button.
Unless, If shanks starts posting he has gone to milking goats, I'll ignore him in a heartbeat!

Yeah, I, for an example to help you, am weak...on time to match the troll's endless supply for arguing nonsense. What a job he must have to give him so much free time! But some of us work for ourselves, not a generous boss.

I'm also weak on the inclination to chase him down his rabbit holes or to engage him in his I'm-smarter-than-you-are contests (for which he's woefully under-armed).

Look inside yourself: could part of the reason you disapprove of ignoring someome be that you haven't (yet) become one of his targets? Btw, I've noticed you seldom express any disagreement or disapproval of his posts. Hmm. "Weak" must be subject to personal definitions.

On a closely-related subject, is there an actual "ignore" button? I've just been scrolling past posts by the troll. That includes your posts, Magine, when you are quoting him.

There seems to be a cultural difference exhibiting between the left and right. This post is an example. It too needs to reference someone in a passive aggressive manor designed to put down and insult.
It's a public statement of use of ignore, which shows in fact the opposite. A declaration of superiority by casting shade on someone else's intellect.

You're calling ME out for insults? That's rich!

I see why Magine has a problem with you. Maybe I should pay more attention to your arguments with him.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I do skip reading many things, including whole threads.
I dont watch videos or read AI generated responses. Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
I see putting someone on ignore just shows their own weakness.
I would never use the ignore button.
Unless, If shanks starts posting he has gone to milking goats, I'll ignore him in a heartbeat!

Yeah, I, for an example to help you, am weak...on time to match the troll's endless supply for arguing nonsense. What a job he must have to give him so much free time! But some of us work for ourselves, not a generous boss.

I'm also weak on the inclination to chase him down his rabbit holes or to engage him in his I'm-smarter-than-you-are contests (for which he's woefully under-armed).

Look inside yourself: could part of the reason you disapprove of ignoring someome be that you haven't (yet) become one of his targets? Btw, I've noticed you seldom express any disagreement or disapproval of his posts. Hmm. "Weak" must be subject to personal definitions.

On a closely-related subject, is there an actual "ignore" button? I've just been scrolling past posts by the troll. That includes your posts, Magine, when you are quoting him.

There seems to be a cultural difference exhibiting between the left and right. This post is an example. It too needs to reference someone in a passive aggressive manor designed to put down and insult.
It's a public statement of use of ignore, which shows in fact the opposite. A declaration of superiority by casting shade on someone else's intellect.

You're calling ME out for insults? That's rich!

I see why Magine has a problem with you. Maybe I should pay more attention to your arguments with him.

The man has soft hands and thin skin. The internet is going to be rough for him

quote:

passive aggressive manor

Btw, shankspony, you are misusing the term "passive-aggressive."

There was nothing passive about the aggression in my post.

And, I only ever said I'm ignoring his posts--not his presence here--which I find impossible, as he shits on every post he touches.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

passive aggressive manor

Btw, shankspony, you are misusing the term "passive-aggressive."

There was nothing passive about the aggression in my post.

And, I only ever said I'm ignoring his posts--not his presence here--which I find impossible, as he sh!ts on every post he touches.

Oh no. Big jim is swearing. That's when you know it impotent (sic)

jeffe is not a fan of singleshot rifles. Maybe I should have put him on ignore after finding that out.
But, we all have flaws, and I'm OK with that.
He may like red headed women. Yes, I'm sure there is one out there that is great. The ones I have dealt with, were all bat shit crazy. He might consider my attitude a flaw, but we should get past it.

Single shots and redheads both can be cool. Just not my cuppa

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

passive aggressive manor

Btw, shankspony, you are misusing the term "passive-aggressive."

There was nothing passive about the aggression in my post.

And, I only ever said I'm ignoring his posts--not his presence here--which I find impossible, as he shits on every post he touches.

I see it as such. It was ambiguous in who you were directing it at. Could have been the person you replied too, could have been Jeffe because we know the history, could have been myself because Im an antagonist in the thread.
Why not just be direct?

Look I have no beef with you and in the past we have had robust debate/ argument/confrontation that I left feeling no animosity on your or my part. If by saying you should pay more attention to my arguments in the manor you did, which I get the feeling is a threat of future conflict for the sake of it, because I had an opinion here, it would be a shame.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Single shots and redheads both can be cool. Just not my cuppa

My partner is a redhead, and you only need one shot!

There I said it Bring it on, both of you.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Single shots and redheads both can be cool. Just not my cuppa

My partner is a redhead, and you only need one shot!

There I said it Bring it on, both of you.

my wife is a decided redhead ... her sister is a natural -- house parties used to be hilarious -

one of my best friends was the guy that made the fraiser repos -- and i've had plenty of singleshots -- but, like I told Tony, i appreciate them, but my "rook rifle" is a "rabbit gun", meaning miniature bolt action -- a destroyer we rebarreled to a PENCIL thin super match 308 barrel, chambered in 30 mauser (yes, i know, 7.62x25 is "the same") .. tiny, cute as can be, and BOTH the redheads outshoot me with it .. has the recoil of a cork gun

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
You wouldn't put me on your ignore list because that would defeat your purpose in life.

And I do my best to not deprive you.

Just my experience, But I dont put you or anyone else on ignore, because I can choose to read or not read, regard or disregard someone or something without the need to signify it.
The action to censor something publicly is a sign of need or weakness.

You must not remember Edmond.

I do.

I never felt the need to put him on ignore, and with hindsight, maybe he had reason to panic as he did.

A belatedly late attempt to "ignore" what's gone on in this topic, and add something that is how I feel, and from one of the best science communicators in the world.

Hopefully ive linked from the two interesting bits relevant too this. If not the last two segments Human dehumanisation of science, and climate change and politics.
from 4;21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja8mKPWNuMw

Im sorry for those that dont watch clips. I can't find a way to get a transcript.

If you choose to ignore them or put them on ignore (or just not read them) I have no issue with that act… but it’s the constant reiteration of “I am ignoring you” that invalidates it.

Just because I don’t use the ignore function doesn’t mean others can’t or shouldn’t, but if you are ignoring someone, you don’t need to advertise it. That is trying to censor, and thus bad.

Someone mentioned Edmond.

While he made it a chore to follow posts, I really didn’t have an issue with having to look at the subject and decide if it was worth my time. He was a good source of information on some things.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
If you are going to ignore someone, ignore them.

Going on about ignoring someone is the sort of thing that encourages the belief that censorship is good at times.

I’ve never put anyone on ignore. I’ve never not read a post purely based on the poster.

I’m not going to in general watch videos, but that’s more about bandwidth and time than who posts it.

Some of the folks who I don’t think have much on the ball occasionally post items worthy of attention.

My solution to getting annoyed with people on the internet is to go do something else. It’s not like I (or most people) don’t have other things they want to do.

All these piss-ups about trolls are ending up being trolling in themselves.

If you have nothing better to do, go ahead and worsen the signal to noise ratio here… not that it is very good in the first place.

There are some pearls of wisdom there, but if you had ever been the target of a troll yourself, you might have more use for the ability to ignore their posts.

My nonsense post had a point.
It's that nobody is forced to read or react to what is posted by someone else.
I will admit I'm glad shanks admission was only about singleshots and redheads, and not about goats.