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Originally posted by Skyline:

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Originally posted by medved:

Phil....that is perfect!

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

Cult member mentality.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
One of my Fiscal Courts is having to readjust their budget due to loss of revenue from DOGE cuts while this Regime would have to eating at least a billion dollars to rebuild a jet.

I know which one is waste.

That is one big deal.

The other big deal is the Constitution does not permit this.

The third big deal is that it appears to be buying the influence of our Chief Executive who serves pursuant to the Constitution as our chief diplomat. Of you cannot see the issues with this you are either willfully ignorant.

The idea that a person should not enrich themselves while in office from the Office goes back to the Articles of Confederation:

N]or shall any person holding any office of profit or trust under the United States, or any of them, accept any present, emolument, office or title of any kind whatever from any King, Prince or foreign State.

This was actually an idea taken from the Dutch. The Dutch rule from the Enlightenment forbid their foreign ministers from taking “any presents, directly or indirectly, in any manner or way whatever. This was motivated by a fear of corruption. This new rule was alien to customary international relations.

When the Constitution of 1787 was debated and drafted by the Philadelphia Convention, early drafts had no provision akin to the Articles of Confederation’s Foreign Emoluments Clause. However, towards the end of the Convention, on August 23, 1787, Charles Pinckney “urged the necessity of preserving foreign Ministers & other officers of the U. S. independent of external influence,” and he moved to insert a provision closely tracking the language in the Articles. Ultimately, Pinckney’s provision became Article I, Section 9, Clause 8. The provision occasioned little other recorded debate. However, at the Virginia ratifying convention, Governor Edmund Randolph explained:

This restriction was provided to prevent corruption. . . . An accident, which actually happened, operated in producing the restriction. A box was presented to our ambassador by the king of our allies. It was thought proper, in order to exclude corruption and foreign influence, to prohibit any one in office from receiving or holding any emoluments from foreign states.

Text. As explained, the Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause (also known as the Emoluments Clause, Gifts Clause, Foreign Gifts Clause, and Foreign Titles Clause) was modeled on its Articles of Confederation predecessor. The original Articles of Confederation provision provided:

[N]or shall any person holding any office of profit or trust under the United States, or any of them, accept any present, emolument, office or title of any kind whatever from any King, Prince or foreign State.

Whereas the Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause now provides:

[N]o Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them [i.e., the United States], shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Thus, the modern Foreign Emoluments Clause’s text departed from its Confederation-era predecessor in two distinct ways. First, the modern Foreign Emoluments Clause, unlike its predecessor, expressly permitted Officers . . . under the United States to accept gifts from foreign governments if those officers had the consent of Congress. Some believe that this subclause introduced a substantive change, but others believe that it merely codified the prior practice of the Articles Congress.

That is the big deal.

I doubt Congress is going to let this get over.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
One of my Fiscal Courts is having to readjust their budget due to loss of revenue from DOGE cuts while this Regime would have to eating at least a billion dollars to rebuild a jet.

I know which one is waste.

That is one big deal.

The other big deal is the Constitution does not permit this.

The third big deal is that it appears to be buying the influence of our Chief Executive who serves pursuant to the Constitution as our chief diplomat. Of you cannot see the issues with this you are either willfully ignorant.

The idea that a person should not enrich themselves while in office from the Office goes back to the Articles of Confederation:

N]or shall any person holding any office of profit or trust under the United States, or any of them, accept any present, emolument, office or title of any kind whatever from any King, Prince or foreign State.

This was actually an idea taken from the Dutch. The Dutch rule from the Enlightenment forbid their foreign ministers from taking “any presents, directly or indirectly, in any manner or way whatever. This was motivated by a fear of corruption. This new rule was alien to customary international relations.

When the Constitution of 1787 was debated and drafted by the Philadelphia Convention, early drafts had no provision akin to the Articles of Confederation’s Foreign Emoluments Clause. However, towards the end of the Convention, on August 23, 1787, Charles Pinckney “urged the necessity of preserving foreign Ministers & other officers of the U. S. independent of external influence,” and he moved to insert a provision closely tracking the language in the Articles. Ultimately, Pinckney’s provision became Article I, Section 9, Clause 8. The provision occasioned little other recorded debate. However, at the Virginia ratifying convention, Governor Edmund Randolph explained:

This restriction was provided to prevent corruption. . . . An accident, which actually happened, operated in producing the restriction. A box was presented to our ambassador by the king of our allies. It was thought proper, in order to exclude corruption and foreign influence, to prohibit any one in office from receiving or holding any emoluments from foreign states.

Text. As explained, the Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause (also known as the Emoluments Clause, Gifts Clause, Foreign Gifts Clause, and Foreign Titles Clause) was modeled on its Articles of Confederation predecessor. The original Articles of Confederation provision provided:

[N]or shall any person holding any office of profit or trust under the United States, or any of them, accept any present, emolument, office or title of any kind whatever from any King, Prince or foreign State.

Whereas the Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause now provides:

[N]o Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them [i.e., the United States], shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Thus, the modern Foreign Emoluments Clause’s text departed from its Confederation-era predecessor in two distinct ways. First, the modern Foreign Emoluments Clause, unlike its predecessor, expressly permitted Officers . . . under the United States to accept gifts from foreign governments if those officers had the consent of Congress. Some believe that this subclause introduced a substantive change, but others believe that it merely codified the prior practice of the Articles Congress.

That is the big deal.

I doubt Congress is going to let this get over.

One day we will run out of money…what then?
So starting some kinda saving is probably pretty good idea

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Originally posted by medved:
than one is almost as good i will say lol

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

Yeah...ha ha . The DOD now has a plane that by conservative estimates will require hundreds of millions of dollars in security and communication upgrades that you and I can pay for....all so trump will have a new plane to fly around in after he leaves office. Ridiculous.

And, I'm still waiting to hear how this isn't a violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. Here's how that reads, by the way:

"No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

You explain to us how trump being gifted a $400mm jet from Qatar doesn't violate this provision of the Constitution.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

you re certainly a great man as hunter and guide but as a kiss ass and follower of the cult of the supreme leader you worth nothing and you and the followers are the joke of the world and that gift which is never free shows exactly where and corrupt is the current administration like it or not ...

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

you re certainly a great man as hunter and guide but as a kiss ass and follower of the cult of the supreme leader you worth nothing and you and the followers are the joke of the world and that gift which is never free shows exactly where and corrupt is the current administration like it or not ...

As a kid I used to love going to the circus but seeing they have faded into oblivion, the AR political forum is the best there is at the moment to watch the clowns and to egg them on.

The mere fact that you call me an ass kisser of the so-called supreme leader says it all seeing I don't give a flying fuck about American (or Canadian) politics that you collectively brought about yourselves and are now uselessly bitching about.

Enjoy the Orange man for the next 4 years.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

you re certainly a great man as hunter and guide but as a kiss ass and follower of the cult of the supreme leader you worth nothing and you and the followers are the joke of the world and that gift which is never free shows exactly where and corrupt is the current administration like it or not ...

As a kid I used to love going to the circus but seeing they have faded into oblivion, the AR political forum is the best there is at the moment to watch the clowns and to egg them on.

The mere fact that you call me an ass kisser of the so-called supreme leader says it all seeing I don't give a flying fuck about American (or Canadian) politics that you collectively brought about yourselves and are now uselessly bitching about.

Enjoy the Orange man for the next 4 years.

So, you are just a dickhead.....we already knew that.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
How is your electric supply there in South Africa? I have a feeling that the ANC will be in power far longer than the orange turd will be Believe me, we are not envious of you folks living in third world shit holes. Plenty for you to enjoy right at home.

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Originally posted by fulvio:
and your Orange Turd made no bones about it during his meeting with Ramaphosa.

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Potus is a servant, not a personification of the Elite, like trump believes all power and wealth should be. Potus should be professional, wise, well versed, gifted at articulation and can quickly process relevant data.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

you re certainly a great man as hunter and guide but as a kiss ass and follower of the cult of the supreme leader you worth nothing and you and the followers are the joke of the world and that gift which is never free shows exactly where and corrupt is the current administration like it or not ...

As a kid I used to love going to the circus but seeing they have faded into oblivion, the AR political forum is the best there is at the moment to watch the clowns and to egg them on.

The mere fact that you call me an ass kisser of the so-called supreme leader says it all seeing I don't give a flying fuck about American (or Canadian) politics that you collectively brought about yourselves and are now uselessly bitching about.

Enjoy the Orange man for the next 4 years.

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Originally posted by theback40:
I'm afraid neither our current or former presidents filled the list in your quote nute.
We will survive, and look forward to ........?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

you re certainly a great man as hunter and guide but as a kiss ass and follower of the cult of the supreme leader you worth nothing and you and the followers are the joke of the world and that gift which is never free shows exactly where and corrupt is the current administration like it or not ...

As a kid I used to love going to the circus but seeing they have faded into oblivion, the AR political forum is the best there is at the moment to watch the clowns and to egg them on.

The mere fact that you call me an ass kisser of the so-called supreme leader says it all seeing I don't give a flying fuck about American (or Canadian) politics that you collectively brought about yourselves and are now uselessly bitching about.

Enjoy the Orange man for the next 4 years.

If you don't give a fuck about it, then why are you on here running your mouth?

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

you re certainly a great man as hunter and guide but as a kiss ass and follower of the cult of the supreme leader you worth nothing and you and the followers are the joke of the world and that gift which is never free shows exactly where and corrupt is the current administration like it or not ...

As a kid I used to love going to the circus but seeing they have faded into oblivion, the AR political forum is the best there is at the moment to watch the clowns and to egg them on.

The mere fact that you call me an ass kisser of the so-called supreme leader says it all seeing I don't give a flying fuck about American (or Canadian) politics that you collectively brought about yourselves and are now uselessly bitching about.

Enjoy the Orange man for the next 4 years.

If you don't give a fuck about it, then why are you on here running your mouth?

To irritate individuals like yourself who find it normal insulting others.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by medved:
at first from here i thought what i heard was a joke at least we can laugh everyday on something new...

Keep laughing though it seems the last laugh is on you ... and a whole bunch of others.

"The United States officially accepted a luxury jet to use as Air Force One from Qatar, the Department of Defense confirmed to ABC News on Wednesday.

"The secretary of defense has accepted a Boeing 747 from Qatar in accordance with all federal rules and regulations," Sean Parnell, chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense will work to ensure proper security measures and functional-mission requirements are considered for an aircraft used to transport the president of the United States," he added.

you re certainly a great man as hunter and guide but as a kiss ass and follower of the cult of the supreme leader you worth nothing and you and the followers are the joke of the world and that gift which is never free shows exactly where and corrupt is the current administration like it or not ...

As a kid I used to love going to the circus but seeing they have faded into oblivion, the AR political forum is the best there is at the moment to watch the clowns and to egg them on.

The mere fact that you call me an ass kisser of the so-called supreme leader says it all seeing I don't give a flying fuck about American (or Canadian) politics that you collectively brought about yourselves and are now uselessly bitching about.

Enjoy the Orange man for the next 4 years.

If you don't give a fuck about it, then why are you on here running your mouth?

To irritate individuals like yourself who find it normal insulting others.

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To irritate individuals like yourself who find it normal insulting others.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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To irritate individuals like yourself who find it normal insulting others.

So you're just a malicious troll then.

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Originally posted by Bobster:
News reports seem to indicate that Trump is accepting it as a gift to the USA and not a personal gift. It's kinda like back-in-the-day when tribal leaders would offer one of their daughters as a peace gesture to an enemy. Qatar just wants us to stay off their asses. The objective here is to try not to hurt their little feelings. I'd accept it on behalf of the USA and say thank you. Then I'd fly it to Seattle for re-fit. While there, pull the switcheroo with a purpose-built model for AF1. The real Qatari plane would then be re-painted and used to transport illegals out-of-country. That would make everybody happy-except the illegals.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Bobster:
News reports seem to indicate that Trump is accepting it as a gift to the USA and not a personal gift. It's kinda like back-in-the-day when tribal leaders would offer one of their daughters as a peace gesture to an enemy. Qatar just wants us to stay off their asses. The objective here is to try not to hurt their little feelings. I'd accept it on behalf of the USA and say thank you. Then I'd fly it to Seattle for re-fit. While there, pull the switcheroo with a purpose-built model for AF1. The real Qatari plane would then be re-painted and used to transport illegals out-of-country. That would make everybody happy-except the illegals.

Since it would be transferred to his presidential library, it's essentially a gift to him.

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Originally posted by Bobster:
Since Presidential Libraries are not the property of ex-presidents, it would not benefit Trump. This would likely be classified as an artifact of a presidency. Kinda like transferring it to the Smithsonian.

Presidential Libraries

"The Presidential Library system is composed of sixteen Presidential Libraries. These facilities are overseen by the Office of Presidential Libraries. Presidential Libraries are archives and museums, bringing together the documents and artifacts of a President and his administration and presenting them to the public for study and discussion without regard for political considerations or affiliations."

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Bobster:
News reports seem to indicate that Trump is accepting it as a gift to the USA and not a personal gift. It's kinda like back-in-the-day when tribal leaders would offer one of their daughters as a peace gesture to an enemy. Qatar just wants us to stay off their asses. The objective here is to try not to hurt their little feelings. I'd accept it on behalf of the USA and say thank you. Then I'd fly it to Seattle for re-fit. While there, pull the switcheroo with a purpose-built model for AF1. The real Qatari plane would then be re-painted and used to transport illegals out-of-country. That would make everybody happy-except the illegals.

Since it would be transferred to his presidential library, it's essentially a gift to him.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Bobster:
Since Presidential Libraries are not the property of ex-presidents, it would not benefit Trump. This would likely be classified as an artifact of a presidency. Kinda like transferring it to the Smithsonian.

Presidential Libraries

"The Presidential Library system is composed of sixteen Presidential Libraries. These facilities are overseen by the Office of Presidential Libraries. Presidential Libraries are archives and museums, bringing together the documents and artifacts of a President and his administration and presenting them to the public for study and discussion without regard for political considerations or affiliations."

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Bobster:
News reports seem to indicate that Trump is accepting it as a gift to the USA and not a personal gift. It's kinda like back-in-the-day when tribal leaders would offer one of their daughters as a peace gesture to an enemy. Qatar just wants us to stay off their asses. The objective here is to try not to hurt their little feelings. I'd accept it on behalf of the USA and say thank you. Then I'd fly it to Seattle for re-fit. While there, pull the switcheroo with a purpose-built model for AF1. The real Qatari plane would then be re-painted and used to transport illegals out-of-country. That would make everybody happy-except the illegals.

Since it would be transferred to his presidential library, it's essentially a gift to him.

Does it say that a living ex president has use of real property transferred to the library?

The whole thing STINKS of improprieties and WASTED taxpayer money.

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Originally posted by Bobster:
The only thing that stinks is your inability/unwillingness to understand facts.

1. The aircraft was accepted by the Pentagon to be used for US government business.
2. The aircraft is a gift to the USA valued in excess of $400 million dollars.
3. Sometime after the end or the Trump presidency, it will be transferred to the Trump Presidential Library for conservation and display.

Therefore, it has saved the American taxpayer at least $400 million dollars. Hardly a waste of our money. More like a windfall.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Bobster:
Since Presidential Libraries are not the property of ex-presidents, it would not benefit Trump. This would likely be classified as an artifact of a presidency. Kinda like transferring it to the Smithsonian.

Presidential Libraries

"The Presidential Library system is composed of sixteen Presidential Libraries. These facilities are overseen by the Office of Presidential Libraries. Presidential Libraries are archives and museums, bringing together the documents and artifacts of a President and his administration and presenting them to the public for study and discussion without regard for political considerations or affiliations."

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Bobster:
News reports seem to indicate that Trump is accepting it as a gift to the USA and not a personal gift. It's kinda like back-in-the-day when tribal leaders would offer one of their daughters as a peace gesture to an enemy. Qatar just wants us to stay off their asses. The objective here is to try not to hurt their little feelings. I'd accept it on behalf of the USA and say thank you. Then I'd fly it to Seattle for re-fit. While there, pull the switcheroo with a purpose-built model for AF1. The real Qatari plane would then be re-painted and used to transport illegals out-of-country. That would make everybody happy-except the illegals.

Since it would be transferred to his presidential library, it's essentially a gift to him.

Does it say that a living ex president has use of real property transferred to the library?

The whole thing STINKS of improprieties and WASTED taxpayer money.